Klopp was never coming to United. Best wishes to him but the search for a successor to Moyes continues.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
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Well, if you ignore the gap to Bayern for a moment, you'll see that they have a great chance to finish 2nd, are in the semifinal of the cup and just won their away game in the CL and will most likely go through to the quarterfinal. He's done that with a team that missed their first choice back 4 and 2 CMs for months. In what universe is that an awful performance?
Considering the defensive injuries, the fact their best midfielder Gundogan has been missing the WHOLE season, and the fact they sold their golden boy Gotze to there arch rivals... it really has not been that bad at all.
They had to sign Manuel Friedrich on an emergency loan, ffs. That itself shows you how much their team is affected by the injuries.
Exactly. I'm sure United fans would be pretty happy to have Dortmund's "awful" season
Back on-topic, although realistically there's no chance he'd come here, if the board was really going to give Moyes a massive warchest, I'd rather they throw it at Klopp and sign him with the money instead!
The fact that they won the Bundesliga twice recently does not suddenly mean that they are a top top club where anything other than silverware is considered a success. Everyone knew that they had a snowball's chance in hell of competing against Bayern, given that Bayern have strengthened even more and also signed their best player.
If Dortmund qualify for the CL every season between now and 2018 without winning anything, Klopp will still be considered to have done a great job, providing that he keeps playing the same brand of football.
I would also like to point out that Bayern broke the point tally record last season and are all but certain to break it again this term. Given the fact that they are able to sign Dortmund's best players, anyone thinking that anything other than a title for Dortmund is Klopp's failure either has no clue about German football or has an agenda against Klopp.
One of them, so far - if i'm not very much mistaken, Lewas goals still count for the yellow folks. Of course that is outrageous. Decent clubs like United or Real would never buy a key player from Dortmund (and then not play him).
Yes, but Real cannot sign the best players from Barcelona and United cannot sign the best players from City or Chelsea (and don't say Mata, he wasn't wanted).
That was my point - when the champion of a certain league can sign the best playerS(Gotze and Lewa) of the second-best team, the league is not really competitive.
Schuster, Figo, Luis Enrique, Laudrup, Eto'o...
We had two awful months (November+December), but overall the season so far has to considered at least as "good". We had an excellent start and were neck to neck with Bayern until the end of October, eventhough we missed two of our genuine world class players (Piszczek+Gündogan) the whole time.
Then we lost the complete rest of the back four (Schmelzer, Subotic and Hummels) in a matter of a week and struggled immensively under that until Christmas. Did not help, that the two most crucial games of the current season (vs. Neapel and Marseille) were in that time frame and despite the circumstances we managed to win both and in the end won the toughest CL group of this campaign. We had to concentrate everything we had left to archive that, though.
The games after the winter break were aside of the truly awful Hamburg game all at least decent performances. Not because we suddenly had less injuries, but they were at least more balanced and not solely concentrated on the defense. We did infact have not played a single competive game in the last five months, where we could start more than half of our best XI.
A club like us can´t compensate that and quite honestly you can count the clubs, which are capable of doing that on one hand. Every club with remotively the same financial means (e.g. Juventus, Atl. Madrid, Liverpool) would have crumbled under that amount of injuries.
Taken all this into account, we still already reached two season goals (KO stages CL+Semis in the Cup) and are on our a way to reach the most important one (top 3 in the league). If we end up 3rd in the league while going out in the current rounds of the cup this season will still be a good one. Everything on top of that will be bonus.
No, its actually a good performance when you consider all factors.
I said "Real cannot sign the best players from Barcelona", which means that I was talking about the present.
So you mean they can not sign Xavi, Iniesta, Messi? Players who came up through their youth system and probably woudln't leave them for any club or sum?
Bayern are simply at the very top of European football right now. I doubt there would be many players from any club who would say no if Pep called them and offered them a spot.
Bayern are simply at the very top of European football right now. I doubt there would be many players from any club who would say no if Pep called them and offered them a spot.
Form it different. They could if the other club would be so stupid to include this kind of clauses in their contracts or let run out the contracts of their best players in similar way...
Blame Dortmund - and not Bayern - they made the mistakes... If not Bayern somebody else would have taken advantage...
Lewandowski let his contract run down, and Gotze had a chance to reject Bayern, but he didn't, with a huge factor being that Bayern have far more money than Dortmund do.
Also, buyout clause or not it is extremely difficult to keep a player who wants to move elsewhere... Liverpool managed to rebuff Arsenal's interest for Suarez, but had it been Real Madrid, I doubt he would have been in England now.
Basically, you can prevent players from moving to clubs of similar size, but you cannot really prevent them from moving to a bigger club. And this is why Bayern are able to buy the best players not only of Dortmund, but of all other clubs in Germany. They did it with Bayer at the beginning of the noughties.
Imagine Real paid Messi's buyout clause... Would he join them? I seriously doubt it.
If Gundogan leaves for Bayern, then I think Klopp will be more likely to leave.
I mean, it is so down-heartening to see our best players to go to a rival. He has no control on who goes at Dortmund, he can build another team, but then they will go too. Gotze, Gundogan and Lewandowski going to a major rival is just embarrassing to Klopp, the club and most importantly to the fans.
I feel sorry for him too, I wanted to see that 2012/13 Dortmund team progress and could of been better than Bayern will time.
I mean, it is so down-heartening to see our best players to go to a rival. He has no control on who goes at Dortmund, he can build another team, but then they will go too. Gotze, Gundogan and Lewandowski going to a major rival is just embarrassing to Klopp, the club and most importantly to the fans.
I feel sorry for him too, I wanted to see that 2012/13 Dortmund team progress and could of been better than Bayern will time.
Or Barca can't sign Di Maria, Modric, Isco etc from Real, who didn't come from the youth team. What he says is right.
There have been rumors of this? Why would Bayern want him?
Because Kroos is leaving and they are looking for a replacement.
But in all seriousness he is a quality young German midfielder exactly what Bayern always are after so they will at least look into the possibility of signing him and of course the uncertainty about Kroos might also be a factor in at least sniffing around Gündogan.
Yeah, it's a very silly situation, if true and it's just setting Bayern up to dominate there for years on end.
I doubt Bayern needs Gundogan and that the rumours are true, unless Kroos has hinted that he's not going to sign that contract.
I doubt Bayern needs Gundogan and that the rumours are true, unless Kroos has hinted that he's not going to sign that contract.
Well that's just depressing. At least Bayern earned their money.
The monopoly Bayern has on that league is just silly nowadays, its even dwarfing the Barca-Madrid domination in La Liga.
The Gundogan to Bayern rumours could be put out by Bayern themselves to show Kroos that he's dispensable.
http://www.football-espana.net/41204/tata-out-klopp-barca
Klopp to Barca being reported in Spain:
Klopp to Barca being reported in Spain:
It has been reported in Spain that Barcelona will approach Jurgen Klopp to replace Tata Martino this summer.
Sport claims that Martino will leave Camp Nou this summer despite signing a two-year deal upon his appointment last year.
The contract is said to contain an escape clause if both parties want to break the terms of the agreement. Martino is reported to be uncomfortable with the spotlight at Barca and Barca are understood to want a new Coach to breathe life into the side.
Among the names put forward as successors are Ernesto Valverde, Luis Enrique, Andre Villas-Boas, Diego Simeone and Klopp, all names that have previously been reported as on the Barca shortlist.
The first three candidates are considered as Coaches who will perpetuate the Barca style while the last two would change the club’s approach.
But the Barca board are said by Sport to most desire a motivator who can get the best out of the players currently in the squad, with Klopp edging ahead of Cholo.
Klopp’s personable demeanour is also said to have put him in pole position ahead of Simeone, with the Barca board concerned by Simeone’s ‘win-at-all-costs mentality.’
The decision will ultimately lie with President Josep Maria Bartomeu, Sport add
Sport claims that Martino will leave Camp Nou this summer despite signing a two-year deal upon his appointment last year.
The contract is said to contain an escape clause if both parties want to break the terms of the agreement. Martino is reported to be uncomfortable with the spotlight at Barca and Barca are understood to want a new Coach to breathe life into the side.
Among the names put forward as successors are Ernesto Valverde, Luis Enrique, Andre Villas-Boas, Diego Simeone and Klopp, all names that have previously been reported as on the Barca shortlist.
The first three candidates are considered as Coaches who will perpetuate the Barca style while the last two would change the club’s approach.
But the Barca board are said by Sport to most desire a motivator who can get the best out of the players currently in the squad, with Klopp edging ahead of Cholo.
Klopp’s personable demeanour is also said to have put him in pole position ahead of Simeone, with the Barca board concerned by Simeone’s ‘win-at-all-costs mentality.’
The decision will ultimately lie with President Josep Maria Bartomeu, Sport add
Gundogan rumours seem like A) Gundogan's agent trying to get a better deal for him with Dortmund or sound out foreign interest or B) Bayern sending messages to Kroos for his contract tactics. Bayern have an overload of CM's so I don't see much truth to it.
Can they sign a manager? Or does the transfer ban prevent them signing a manager as well?
coaching staff aren't transfers, so it would be fine.
That would be a footballing mismatch. His style isn't suited to them at all and the players would not implement it.
I think Klopp would be a great fit for Barcelona. Keeps the high pressing, attacking football but brings in some fresh ideas. He's also great at bringing through and shaping young players.
Klopp on Barcalona less than 6 months ago:
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Forget midfielders and leftbacks: Klopp's signature is the only signature I want. Easily the best manager in the world right now. The only top manager as of this moment who's proven with limited funds. He's a winner and he advocates awesome attacking football. And he's hilarious.
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Forget midfielders and leftbacks: Klopp's signature is the only signature I want. Easily the best manager in the world right now. The only top manager as of this moment who's proven with limited funds. He's a winner and he advocates awesome attacking football. And he's hilarious.
Why? They need a change. 80% possession football has had it's day and it was a brilliant five years or so, they need some fresh ideas not another poorer version of Guardiola.
I imagine Klopp would adapt a little to Barcelona too, a bit like Mourinho wasn't really that defensive at Real compared to his other clubs.
Seems like a strange fit. Klopp's counter-attacking style is pretty far removed from Barca's traditional 'tiki-taka' philosophy. Rudi Garcia or Frank de Boer would slot in more naturally.
Absolute bollocks.
I'd take Simeone over Klopp if offered the option right now.
Possession football hasn't had it's day, it's just getting found out at Barca because Xavi isn't what he was, their manager is very very poor, and they aren't playing the same system.
But more pointedly, to appoint Klopp is to attempt to change players who have been playing the same style of football, growing up with it, since they were 6 and 7 years old together. It would never work. Some things just aren't meant to change - possession football at Barcelona is ingrained at the youngest age.
We have different definitions of "best" then.
Pep was tossed right into the goldmine that is Barcelona and Bayern. Mourinho's had Chelsea, Inter and Real, with loads of financial backing every time. Yes, he won the CL with Porto, but that was a weird year for football, and he had a lot of luck along the way.
Klopp has worked his magic in Germany with two teams. He promoted the first, and turned the other team from nearly relegated to Champions. I'd like to see Pep, Mourinho, Wenger, Ancelotti etc do that.
Hard to think of many managers less suited to Barca than Klopp, excluding ones who are outright crap.
What the feck has Simeone been doing the past 2 seasons?
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