Yeah, IMO losing his best players is actually doing the opposite to Klopp. It's driving him to want to rebuild and succeed again and again.
Jurgen Klopp and Dortmund
- Thread starter DiaboliQue
- Start date
- Status
Yeah, IMO losing his best players is actually doing the opposite to Klopp. It's driving him to want to rebuild and succeed again and again.
Yes. Yes, you are.
Him saying he's staying means nothing. Things can change very quickly. AVB continuously said he was staying with Porto.
He's doing a Sir Alex at Dortmund, can't see him leaving them at all.
Money or rather his frustration at Bayern taking all his best players will eventually talk. Probably not this summer and probably not with us but I don't see him doing a Sir Alex at all.
Doubt it.
I think we have a good chance personally. 40%. I suspect that is why we havent chopped Moyes yet, we are waiting for seasons end.
germany manager after the 2018 world cup then
He said repeatedly that he intends to honour his contract and also signed an extension, what more proof do you need?
And what are you basing that assumption on?
Last edited:
Looking at all our previous managers I doubt we will appoint a foreign manager any time soon.
Klopp was my choice in that poll when we knew Fergie was retiring though. I think he'd be great here.
Klopp was my choice in that poll when we knew Fergie was retiring though. I think he'd be great here.
And that guy was gone the moment he had an offer by a superior club on the table. You know what Klopp did in 2003, when he narrowly missed (one goal difference) going up to the Bundesliga with Mainz and had multiple offers by Bundesliga clubs? He stayed for another five (!) years. You know what he did in the last summer, when he was the top candidate for Chelsea and Real Madrid? He extended his already long contract, which is actually a pretty big deal for him, because he honors contracts more than most in this business. He did that at a time when the third player he turned into a super star left and the fourth was already certain to follow next summer.
If his frustration about losing key players should be the main reason for him to leave Dortmund, then why is he still there? This is hardly a new development and also nothing he did not expect. Why not simply move up in the food chain by joining an European elite club?
I can tell you the reason. Because he wants to turn Dortmund into an European elite club himself and is so emotionally invested in this club, that he is willing to take the hard road to archive that. This is his vision of his project Borussia Dortmund. A vision that was according to himself halfway done when they won the Double in 2012, a vision that became clearer when they reached the CL final last year, but ultimatively he is not finished yet.
There are two possible ways he will leave Dortmund. Either by archiving his expected goal or by realizing that he can´t take the club further. This time is not nowhere near here yet. This may be 2018, maybe later, but not sooner, because it would contradict a lot of things the man Jürgen Klopp stands for. A lot of people who bring up Klopp as United´s next coach only see the exceptional things he has done with Dortmund, but don´t bother to look at the person behind the success. Him abandoning Dortmund now would be extremely out of character for him. If he wanted to leave he simply would do so when his contract runs out. He would not do so after renewing his contract again and giving the supporters false hope with his speeches.
I´m certain that he will leave at one point, because I think he wants to have one more challenge in his career. Either as national coach or outside of Germany.
Historical perspective is misleading. It's the same with announcements saying a player was offered the best contract in a club's history. It's a pointless comparison. Same with our history of managers and where they are from. The influx of foreign managers began after SAF took over. He was here for almost 3 decades. We have no history of hiring managers since the game became a lot more global.
Hope
If we really went for him, I think we might have a chance of getting him. I'm sure he's a loyal guy and all that but being Bayern's bitch, for lack of a better phrase, will grow old fairly quickly. On the financial side, we could pay him more and give him loads to spend if the £200 million warchest stories are to be believed and if you ignore the money side, helping United bounce back might be a project that interests him as well as getting to work with players like Rooney, Mata, Januzaj and Van Persie (if he's here next season). Maybe he can look past no Champions League for a season.
And maybe I should stop dreaming.
And maybe I should stop dreaming.
I fail to see why Moyes was appointed at all if we didn't place a heavy value on Britishness. He hardly out qualifies other top managers in terms of success. I appreciate your point though and hopefully I'm wrong.
Klopp seems like the obvious choice. A charismatic manager who loves attacking football and is successful with it, he is loyal to his clubs on top of that and has a good hand for finding young talented players. He would fit our club and it's philosophy like a glove I have little doubt about that.
The problem though is that I think Klopp wants to stay at Dortmund and Germany for a while still and I can totally see why he wants to stay there.
A great club with a superb support and a coaching setup as well as a boss who help him do what he does to the best of his abilities.
He also never struck me as a guy who valued money all that much neither for his personal gain nor does he necessarily want to manage a club where he can spend 100 mio. € each season.
Maybe in 10 years when he is entering the second half of his career he might think differently about the whole topic and maybe wants to try his hands on a foreign league and a new club but as of now I see very, very little chance of getting him to move here.
The problem though is that I think Klopp wants to stay at Dortmund and Germany for a while still and I can totally see why he wants to stay there.
A great club with a superb support and a coaching setup as well as a boss who help him do what he does to the best of his abilities.
He also never struck me as a guy who valued money all that much neither for his personal gain nor does he necessarily want to manage a club where he can spend 100 mio. € each season.
Maybe in 10 years when he is entering the second half of his career he might think differently about the whole topic and maybe wants to try his hands on a foreign league and a new club but as of now I see very, very little chance of getting him to move here.
My point was only that the historical perspective is a moot point. But yes, you're right. The club does value Britishness (as well as the silk glove media for the first 4-5 months). So much so that it's made a huge mistake. From which it will learn or go into free fall.
Great post Sphaero and I think it's spot on about Klopp as sad as this is for us and good as it is for you guys.
I want to hug Sphaero for that post.
The ironic thing is, he's even more of a mental bastard than Mourinho, and some didn't want him anywhere near the club.
He's mental, yes, but he's nothing like Mourinho. He's not playing mindgames or anything, not looking for fights. It's mostly positive insanity, which leads to a few mental outbursts, which aren't pretty, but still are harmless. And it's never ever about him, when he's talking about success, it's always about the team.
I love reading Sphaero and Balu's posts.
Well in Dortmund. The man is brilliant
Would love to see him here. He's top of my list. I have to disagree with those who think he won't leave Dortmund. He's had to watch as his best players get sold every season. Everything i have heard about him, his tactics and his training methods from knowledgeable Bundesliga fans have been very very positive. And he's a character alright, whats not to like about him?
Despite Dortmund being a much better team than us right, it's a huge step up to manage us. Nearly every single manager who was ambitious enough would jump at the chance, I don't think Klopp would be an exception.
At some point I'm sure he would like to move to a buying club over one that seems to perpetually sell its best players every summer.
I think no one is denying that it's just that we think he isn't yet done with his project at Dortmund. He values the people who he works with and the stability they offer him. I doubt he would be tempted to come here next summer after all he already turned down Real, Chelsea, Bayern and probably a few other clubs who are all buying clubs and didn't leave.
I don't know Klopp.......but i think it's a boring job for him in the next 10 years
He must be on the training pitch every day
I've said i can't see it in the next 10 years
Mourinho will be the coach of Portugal or England in the future......but not now
Both are too young and full of energy
Mourinho will be the coach of Portugal or England in the future......but not now
Both are too young and full of energy
Excellent. This is great for football, great for the big picture, great for the neutral.
Can't we just rename our club to 'Die deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft' and hope Klopp doesn't realise.
I've a better idea.......we should sign 4-5 germans
I don't know, after 22 matches in the Bundesliga he has them barely in third place already 20 points behind Bayern Munich. We're only 15 points out in arguably a much tougher league. Finished 20 points back last year as well. I realize he's lost some good players and the football appears attractive, but he still has a very talented side and has been there like 5 years to mold them. Results are results. 20 points back after 22 matches? It's not like they're playing Bayern Munich every Saturday.
Don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but . . . ¿Heavy Metal?
Don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but . . . ¿Heavy Metal?
Their squad has been destroyed with injuries this year.
It's still an awful performance so far. Of course it's also very likely to be a one off and they'll probably finish 2nd anyway.
I think it's been excellent when you consider the circumstances. He's made the most of the players he's had fit. He has them nicely in 3rd and qualified through the hardest cl group.
you obviously dont know about klopp then
- Status