Juan Mata

Mike09 said:
I can't see us selling him for £20m to Everton. The rumour is we are looking for above £25m. If the right price comes, he's gone. He's not going to be in Jose starting eleven and £26 or more sounds right to cover Mkhitaryan's fee.
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He wouldn't want to move to Everton anyway. He is still too good for them and only 28 - peak years for him now.

Everton get our players like Gibson and Cleverley who simply aren't good enough. Mata IS good enough for a club aspiring to win trophies. And he won an FA Cup with us last season, something Everton can only dream of doing.
 
Red Bug said:
He wouldn't want to move to Everton anyway. He is still too good for them and only 28 - peak years for him now.

Everton get our players like Gibson and Cleverley who simply aren't good enough. Mata IS good enough for a club aspiring to win trophies. And he won an FA Cup with us last season, something Everton can only dream of doing.
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I don't think Ibra is dreaming to win FA cup to join us. Mourinho's factor is strong enough to convince him.

Koeman was the manager when Mata was at Valencia so that is also one of the factor why he might want an Everton move.
 
Red Bug said:
He wouldn't want to move to Everton anyway. He is still too good for them and only 28 - peak years for him now.

Everton get our players like Gibson and Cleverley who simply aren't good enough. Mata IS good enough for a club aspiring to win trophies. And he won an FA Cup with us last season, something Everton can only dream of doing.
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Debatable if Mata is good enough for the starting eleven of a top team that actually does win lots of trophies, though.
He's on the bench for any serious manager building a serious team.

And no, Chelsea weren't a top team when the bundled their way to the Champions League trophy.

Mata might be marginally too good for Everton (if at all) but he's closer to Everton's current level than to the very highest level (which is where United aim to be.)
 
GlastonSpur said:
And drive a coach and horses through their wages structure? They wouldn't be interested unless United provides a hefty subsidy for Mata's wages.
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Apparently Spurs have bid £35M for Juan. Offered him a £120K a week. No subsidies from United. What's that going to do to your wage structure?
 
Jazz said:
Apparently Spurs have bid £35M for Juan. Offered him a £120K a week. No subsidies from United. What's that going to do to your wage structure?
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Lol ... you wish.
 
Chekhov said:
:lol: @ Leicester rejecting Juan Mata. I'll remember that when they fail to earn even a Europa League spot this season.
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It's fair though. They are purely a counter attacking side - Mata wouldn't benefit them at all.
 
Red Bug said:
It's fair though. They are purely a counter attacking side - Mata wouldn't benefit them at all.
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If Mata played for Leicester last season they would not have done as well. He wouldn't fit their style whatsoever.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:


Herrera doing his barnet in the passenger seat! :lol:
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Although interestingly, he never said that he's staying at Utd when asked at the end of the video, he laughed and gave a thumbs up, but not a definitive yes
 
BocaJuniors said:
Leicester would take him.
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I don't believe Mata is good enough to play for LCFC.
Even Spurs supporters wouldn't want him (see post by GlastonSpur, above).
Put simply, Mata is fine for a team targeting 4th/5th place, but for teams with higher aspirations, he just isn't good enough.
 
sunama said:
I don't believe Mata is good enough to play for LCFC.
Even Spurs supporters wouldn't want him (see post by GlastonSpur, above).
Put simply, Mata is fine for a team targeting 4th/5th place, but for teams with higher aspirations, he just isn't good enough.
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Teams with higher aspirations than 4th/5th place have worse players than Mata. Hell, Mourinho won the league with Oscar in the side, didn't he? The same Oscar who has been worse than Mata ever since Mourinho sold him. We had worse players in our team the last time we won the league too.
 
Everton fans of their forum are very keen on him, he could do worse, and I'm sure they'd pay a decent fee.

Don't really want him gone, but then again I don't really want him as a starter next season, and he deserves better than been stuck on the bench.
 
He is so gone. Too weak and slow. Either he is happy to be a squad player and stays or he wants to play most of the time and goes.
 
baanke laal said:
Does Herrera drive? Always seen his pics and vids with him sitting in the passenger seat. Have seen few where his gf drove him to the training ground. Never seen one where is he is driving the car.
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Type in Ander Herrera driving and you will find something.
 
Mata is a weird player. Very productive though. But, not sure if it will be enough. I remember CAF were raging coz LVG didn't play him for months. He couldn't play him in no 10. How people disagreed with it back then and now how people agreed since jose came and wanted him out.

Funny.
 
sullydnl said:
Teams with higher aspirations than 4th/5th place have worse players than Mata. Hell, Mourinho won the league with Oscar in the side, didn't he? The same Oscar who has been worse than Mata ever since Mourinho sold him. We had worse players in our team the last time we won the league too.
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Yeah. I'm not a massive fan of Mata -find him really underwhelming - but he'd add a lot of quality to any team outside of the traditional top 4. Any suggestion that he's not good enough for the likes of Leicester and Everton is nonsense. Used in the right way he's a very talented player.
 
sunama said:
I don't believe Mata is good enough to play for LCFC.
Even Spurs supporters wouldn't want him (see post by GlastonSpur, above).
Put simply, Mata is fine for a team targeting 4th/5th place, but for teams with higher aspirations, he just isn't good enough.
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:lol: Wow!
 
Mata is still a great player, just probably not the type we need in the Mou era. I'd hate to see him move to another Premiership side. If they build properly around him as a 10, that team will be dangerous.
 
People should think more out of the range of "good enough" or "not good enough".Leicester would not benefit from having Mata as starter since they are pace-reliant team.I don't see any good PL team that fit Mata either so I think he should move back to Spain.Problem is Spanish clubs outside of the top 3 aren't exactly wealthy.
 
sunama said:
I don't believe Mata is good enough to play for LCFC.
Even Spurs supporters wouldn't want him (see post by GlastonSpur, above).
Put simply, Mata is fine for a team targeting 4th/5th place, but for teams with higher aspirations, he just isn't good enough.
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Absolute lunacy. We're talking about Chelsea's POTY for two seasons (and arguably the best player in the league over that period alongside RvP), who won the CL with them, and was a part of the Spain 2012 & 2012 squads.

I don't think Mata is up there with the very best #10's due to his lack of strength and pace, but his time here shouldn't really be used as a judge for his overall level. Moyes was clueless and LvG never really used him in his best position, nor get the best out of most of our players.

I think selling Mata is probably the best decision because he's not a Mourinho player but to say he's 'not good enough' for a team like Leicester? Feck that.
 
Some of the comments on this site are unbelievable. Mata not good enough for Spurs, Leicester etc. :lol::lol:

A guy who's won a WC and Euro championship with Spain is not good enough to replace Eriksen or Albrighton. He's good enough for any team outside Barca, Real and Bayern and that's only because those front 3s are exceptional.
 
Mark_Barca said:
Some of the comments on this site are unbelievable. Mata not good enough for Spurs, Leicester etc. :lol::lol:

A guy who's won a WC and Euro championship with Spain is not good enough to replace Eriksen or Albrighton. He's good enough for any team outside Barca, Real and Bayern and that's only because those front 3s are exceptional.
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Mata is a very good player and we've certainly not seen the best of him. I don't know if we will but some people will never get past the fact he's small and not the quickest. I mean Mata scored in one of the finals if I remember rightly? So he's mentally a top level player. The Leicester City fans maybe think he don't fit into their style but the Spurs fans have no excuse. Mata was very good at Chelsea and in the right shape would do well. I think part of the issue is, we're wanting to play one way....but to get the most out of Mata, you have to let him influence games and that's not going to happen at United. He's part of the squad. He'll score goals and have assists, but we're not going to rely on him or look to him 9/10 for inspiration.
 
Some serious over-rating of Mata on this site, including claims that the Spanish national team's golden period had much to do with him. He is a highlights player with an eye for goal but his overall contribution is not good enough for a team going for the title.
 
Reading some comments on this thread, one would think that a title winning team is made up by having only the best players in the world in every position. Everyone seems to be "not good enough for our aspirations" by caf statements. Take almost any player performance thread.
 
Had a great season for Chelsea when they won the Champions League, and an even better season when they won the Europa League. But not good enough for a team wanting to win trophies...
 
MoskvaRed said:
Some serious over-rating of Mata on this site, including claims that the Spanish national team's golden period had much to do with him. He is a highlights player with an eye for goal but his overall contribution is not good enough for a team going for the title.
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Sqwaka had him creating more chances per games than Martial last year. He's not exactly the lazy type either. Physically obviously he's weak but I don't think that's a reason to dish him.

I'm not saying he's our best player, and I disagree with the stat in this regard that he's more of a provider than Martial too, but my point is that his contributions are there and he's worth keeping, at least for the sake of finally seeing how he does in a flexible attack for once.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Had a great season for Chelsea when they won the Champions League, and an even better season when they won the Europa League. But not good enough for a team wanting to win trophies...
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Ssshhh.... Dont talk about Europa here. Many caftards think that they would rather not win anything than win that abomination of a European trophy.
 
Mark_Barca said:
Some of the comments on this site are unbelievable. Mata not good enough for Spurs, Leicester etc. :lol::lol:

A guy who's won a WC and Euro championship with Spain is not good enough to replace Eriksen or Albrighton. He's good enough for any team outside Barca, Real and Bayern and that's only because those front 3s are exceptional.
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I often see this type of silly justification: player X has won this or that. But in fact the team/squad and manager is what does the winning (or losing) and the individual player only contributes towards this (or doesn't contribute, as the case may be).
 
GlastonSpur said:
I often see this type of silly justification: player X has won this or that. But in fact the team/squad and manager is what does the winning (or losing) and the individual player only contributes towards this (or doesn't contribute, as the case may be).
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Right but he was Chelsea's best player when they won the CL, EL and FA while racking 32 goals and 41 assists in just 2 seasons. If you build a team around him as a number 10 he's borderline world class. The fact he hasn't been used in that way for 3 seasons is why his stock has dropped so low.

129104946 said:
If Mata played for Leicester last season they would not have done as well. He wouldn't fit their style whatsoever.
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Precision through balls are of no use to speedy strikers on the counter attack. Got it.
 
sunama said:
I don't believe Mata is good enough to play for LCFC.
Even Spurs supporters wouldn't want him (see post by GlastonSpur, above).
Put simply, Mata is fine for a team targeting 4th/5th place, but for teams with higher aspirations, he just isn't good enough.
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Wes Brown and David May both have champions league winners medals. It is not about individuals, its a team game.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Had a great season for Chelsea when they won the Champions League, and an even better season when they won the Europa League. But not good enough for a team wanting to win trophies...
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Chelsea finished 5th and 3rd those seasons and were never in the running for the title. Their Champions League win also defied logic. If we want to be a cup team like in the 80s (or last season), then Mata can do a job. If we aspire to be where we were 7-8 years ago, then he's not good enough to be a key player, and it does not make sense to keep someone of his age and profile (large transfer fee and wages) as a bit part player.
 
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