Juan Mata

Aside from the goal I thought he did nish pish again today despite being played in the exact position some here were saying he should be.

Nothing about him just yet convinces me that he's the next David Silva, just a nice player with excellent technique.

OH and for the lad that said he's one of the best players for a team that is challenging for the league... do you still think Chelsea are challenging?
 
Only had 1 eye on the game today but yeh, he was very quiet.
 
Silva was crap today by the way, lost the ball numerous times and had feck all invention which is why they didn't manage to break West Brom down.
 
Sarni said:
Silva was crap today by the way, lost the ball numerous times and had feck all invention which is why they didn't manage to break West Brom down.
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Were you watching City whilst United were playing?

Burn this count.

I'm not surprised though, Silva is so important to City that they tend to become completely toothless without him or when things aren't going for him.

United have much more in their armor than simply Wayne Rooney, thankfully.
 
Sharky7 said:
Were you watching City whilst United were playing?

Burn this count.

I'm not surprised though, Silva is so important to City that they tend to become completely toothless without him or when things are going for him.

United have much more in their armor than simply Wayne Rooney, thankfully.
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I am visiting my parents for holidays and they have crap internet so no streams for me, and TV were showing WBA v City, so I'd rather watch that and follow United game online than do nothing at all.
 
Wasn't brilliant today, but what a goal. Made the 3rd with his cross and 9.5/10 keepers in the league weren't saving his freekick either. On another day thats 2 goals and 1 assist despite not being at his best
 
Ekeke said:
Wasn't brilliant today, but what a goal. Made the 3rd with his cross and 9.5/10 keepers in the league weren't saving his freekick either. On another day thats 2 goals and 1 assist despite not being at his best
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The first goal came from his ball that deflected nicely of Ivanovic I think it was into Sturridge's path.
 
Very dangerous player, who isn't a prick

One of Chelsea's better signing in the past few seasons.
 
Valencia used to have both him and Silva when they weren't as good. A shame that TV deal in Spain. They'd be right up there with the other two (at least competing somewhat).
 
Silva and Mata look pretty similiar. Do they have a third one which we can buy from? Not wise to not do so when we let 2 chances slipped away
 
He's top class, and he was always likely to be. I'm rather disappointed Chelski got him, they didn't exactly over pay either.
 
I like these type of players, they don't have the most impressive physical build but they more than make up for it thanks to their natural technique and intelligence.What he's been doing for his first season, playing in a weak Chelsea team is more impressive for me than what Silva did in his first season
 
Cina said:
He's top class, and he was always likely to be. I'm rather disappointed Chelski got him, they didn't exactly over pay either.
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Apparently his wages are about 80k a week too. He will have cost them much less than we were going to pay for Samir Nasri and for he is a clearly superior player.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Apparently his wages are about 80k a week too. He will have cost them much less than we were going to pay for Samir Nasri and for he is a clearly superior player.
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I'd be very surprised if that was the case. Didn't he basically turn Arsenal down cause they wouldn't offer him high enough wages?
 
Cina said:
What do you mean? At Arsenal or at Chelsea? I doubt Wenger would refuse 80k wages, Arsenal actually have (or had) a higher wage bill than us as I recall.
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Their wage bill is a bit lower than ours iirc. Not by much though. Their wages structure is very different though. Youngsters tend to get paid a lot more (hence Ramsey chose them over us) but they have fewer players on the really big bucks (hence they couldn't hold onto Flamini and Nasri)
 
Lovely goal but I still don't find him as amazing as some of you do. I didn't think he did enough yesterday apart from the goal and the free kick. He's definitely not, as of now, in the class of someone like Silva who genuinely runs the show and is a genuine threat whenever he's on the ball.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Their wage bill is a bit lower than ours iirc. Not by much though. Their wages structure is very different though. Youngsters tend to get paid a lot more (hence Ramsey chose them over us) but they have fewer players on the really big bucks (hence they couldn't hold onto Flamini and Nasri)
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Ah, sounds about right. Maybe it was last season when they still had Fabregas and Nasri that they were higher. Still, I'd be utterly shocked if Wenger wouldn't offer Mata 80k in the current climate. I really doubt he's on anything less than 100k at Chelsea.
 
From 2010:

Code: 
Team | Domestic League | Average Annual Salary Per Player (£)
Barcelona La Liga £4,775,894
Real Madrid La Liga £4,441,368
[B]Chelsea Premier Lge [U]£3,634,860[/U][/B]
Inter Milan Serie A £3,622,122
Manchester City Premier Lge £3,539,981
Bayern Munich Bundesliga £3,489,735
AC Milan Serie A £3,409,606
[B]Manchester United Premier Lge [I][U]£3,082,739[/U][/I][/B]
Liverpool Premier Lge £2,979,884
[B]Arsenal Premier Lge [U]£2,872,666[/U][/B]
Juventus Serie A £2,491,967
Aston Villa Premier Lge £2,323,264
Schalke 04 Bundesliga	£2,128,494
AS Roma Serie A £2,042,868
Newcastle United Premier Lge £2,034,949
Valencia La Liga £1,767,531
Portsmouth Premier Lge £1,736,275
Werder Bremen Bundesliga	£1,694,661
Stuttgart	Bundesliga £1,609,928
Borussia Dortmund Bundesliga £1,599,760
Atletico Madrid La Liga £1,563,494
West Ham United Premier Lge £1,520,085
Sevilla La Liga £1,466,221
Hamburg Bundesliga £1,440,462
Tottenham Hotspur Premier Lge £1,427,671
Everton Premier Lge £1,343,005
Sunderland Premier Lge £1,262,957
Blackburn Rovers Premier Lge £1,259,546
Fiorentina Serie A £1,250,840
Fulham Premier Lge £1,229,770


amolbhatia100 said:
Lovely goal but I still don't find him as amazing as some of you do. I didn't think he did enough yesterday apart from the goal and the free kick. He's definitely not, as of now, in the class of someone like Silva who genuinely runs the show and is a genuine threat whenever he's on the ball.
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I don't think he's ever going to be able to dictate the play in the way Silva can but I think he'll be a more productive attacker - just a different kind of player even though they operate in the same areas.
 
Cina said:
What do you mean? At Arsenal or at Chelsea? I doubt Wenger would refuse 80k wages, Arsenal actually have (or had) a higher wage bill than us as I recall.
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I meant he's on much higher than 80k at chelsea. That'd be the kind of amount i see arsenal offering him (give or take 10k-15k) which led to him rejecting them.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Lovely goal but I still don't find him as amazing as some of you do. I didn't think he did enough yesterday apart from the goal and the free kick. He's definitely not, as of now, in the class of someone like Silva who genuinely runs the show and is a genuine threat whenever he's on the ball.
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agreed. Silva can get past players much easier than Mata can. As good as mata was yesterday, he wasn't that much of a threat.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Lovely goal but I still don't find him as amazing as some of you do. I didn't think he did enough yesterday apart from the goal and the free kick. He's definitely not, as of now, in the class of someone like Silva who genuinely runs the show and is a genuine threat whenever he's on the ball.
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Well look at it this way, Silva is in his 2nd season, and playing in a much better team that is built around him. Quite an advantage to have. I think Mata has shown he can be as good as him if AVB starts using him properly.

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From 2010:
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Thanks Brwned. Slightly surprised, I could've sworn Arsenal were on a higher bill than us at one point. Not much in it though.

Varun_Utd said:
I meant he's on much higher than 80k at chelsea. That'd be the kind of amount i see arsenal offering him (give or take 10k-15k) which led to him rejecting them.
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Got it. I agree with that.
 
Cina said:
Well look at it this way, Silva is in his 2nd season, and playing in a much better team that is built around him. Quite an advantage to have. I think Mata has shown he can be as good as him if AVB starts using him properly.
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That remains to be seen but I agree that he needs to be given more time to ascertain what his true potential is.

But I've heard people suggest that he's top class already, which I don't agree with at all. Vidic, Silva, Rooney, Nani etc would all be a level above him right now IMO. He's definitely looking a very good player and a very talented player but I wouldn't rush to bracket him as one of the best around in the premier league already.

Brwned said:
I don't think he's ever going to be able to dictate the play in the way Silva can but I think he'll be a more productive attacker - just a different kind of player even though they operate in the same areas.
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Fair enough and I see that he's more of an attacker than a playmaker but I still don't see him already having reached the level you'd think going by the general reaction to him we see in this thread. He's got great ability but there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of performance levels IMO.

Edmeiste said:
agreed. Silva can get past players much easier than Mata can. As good as mata was yesterday, he wasn't that much of a threat.
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Well that's it, exactly. Maybe he's not a proper playmaker but he wasn't really dangerous yesterday. Scored a lovely goal showing his great technique and hit a great free kick. But overall, we shut him out of the game fairly easily.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Well that's it, exactly. Maybe he's not a proper playmaker but he wasn't really dangerous yesterday. Scored a lovely goal showing his great technique and hit a great free kick. But overall, we shut him out of the game fairly easily.
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He was also dispossessed on countless occasions, something that rarely happens to Silva.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
But I've heard people suggest that he's top class already, which I don't agree with at all. Vidic, Silva, Rooney, Nani etc would all be a level above him right now IMO. He's definitely looking a very good player and a very talented player but I wouldn't rush to bracket him as one of the best around in the premier league already.
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Not disagreeing with any of that. Though very few players are ever one of the leagues best in their first season. Aguero being a notable exception, but he was already amazing. I think he potentially is though.
 
Silva is quite comfortably the better player atm. no doubt about that.
 
Guybrush Threepwood said:
He was also dispossessed on countless occasions, something that rarely happens to Silva.
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Yes. And it's not just about Silva really. If we're talking about attackers and not playmakers, then I don't see Mata at the same level as a Nani either in terms of making defense shit themselves silly or Rooney if you're looking at someone who plays in the 'hole' and both creates and scores.

I guess I'm just trying to defuse the notion that he's already absolutely top class. He could well be if builds on his very good start in England, of course.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yes. And it's not just about Silva really. If we're talking about attackers and not playmakers, then I don't see Mata at the same level as a Nani either in terms of making defense shit themselves silly or Rooney if you're looking at someone who plays in the 'hole' and both creates and scores.

I guess I'm just trying to defuse the notion that he's already absolutely top class. He could well be if builds on his very good start in England, of course.
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If you look back in the thread you'll see I totally agree with you.

He has had a very good start in England though, especially considering how average Chelsea are these days.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Fair enough and I see that he's more of an attacker than a playmaker but I still don't see him already having reached the level you'd think going by the general reaction to him we see in this thread. He's got great ability but there's a lot of room for improvement in terms of performance levels IMO.
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I agree but I think that'll come as the team around him improves. At the moment he's got a mediocre midfield supplying him and a less than mediocre attack that he's trying to link up with. It's no surprise that Silva's game improved further playing alongside a better forward in Aguero, and having Toure providing the service is a lot more preferable to having Ramires of course. I don't expect him to ever be as good as Silva but he's definitely shown the potential to be one of the best in the league in the not too distant future.
 
Mata's unlucky to be in this 'new' Chelsea. A great player who will get a lot of plaudits once Chelsea settle.
 
vuc said:
He's brilliant and hasn't took long to settle.

Way more of a goal threat than Silva.
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They both have five goals in the Premiership this season. Silva's played two more games though, and taken 15 more shots according to ESPN.
 
Edmeiste said:
agreed. Silva can get past players much easier than Mata can. As good as mata was yesterday, he wasn't that much of a threat.
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That is an incredible statement seens as though he scored one and assisted one and nearly finished us off in injury time.
 
Mata showed a lot of playmaking skills in the reverse fixture and more attacking qualities in yesterday's fixture. He can do both, needs more time in the league though and yeah better team mates would help him.
 
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