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Juan Mata
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It's not just that, its wine and dining process. A public declaration so to speak.
You realise Chavs have denied there is any player involved don't you?
It was a straight bid for Rodney.
It was a straight bid for Rodney.
really? I thought every summer and every January is like this.
A quote from United "No Mata? What they tell us?!".
It Juan Mata what they offer us, we don't wanna Luiz Rooney.
I want me a mata. Thank you very much.
Graham Hunter was on Off the Ball just there and he reckons that both Mata and Luiz were offered to Napoli as part of a deal for Cavani, meaning that the alleged swap with Rooney had some truth in it. Also, Mourinho does not like David Luiz, allegedly. What kind of manager wouldn't want to keep Mata though?
Yeah, heard that too. Shame Hunter reckons we won't give Rooney to Chelsea, I'd snap their hands off for Mata + 10m. Still, Mourinho has always seemed like a manager with a very specific idea of the type of players he wants. If Mata doesn't fit into the specific system he wants...
Fair enough if he wants to get rid of Luiz, he's talented but a bit of a headcase. Mourinho might not want to put up with him.
But selling Mata is just insane, he's a brilliant player. I find it hard to believe.
Then it's a retarded system, surely. I genuinely can't wrap my head around anyone wanting to sell Mata. As usual, we've no idea whether or not there's anything to this, but if there is it seems absolutely barmy.
I can see them offering David Luiz but I have my doubts about the Mata part.
Especially the fact that no one took that deal speaks against them offering as part of the deal, you would have to be made to refuse 20m + Mata for Rooney or Cavani, Mata is easily as good as anyone of them.
Especially the fact that no one took that deal speaks against them offering as part of the deal, you would have to be made to refuse 20m + Mata for Rooney or Cavani, Mata is easily as good as anyone of them.
It does seem weird that a manager who made players like Sneijder and Ozil integral to his teams doesn't see the use of a player like Mata.
Carrick - Fellaini
Nani - Kagawa - Mata
van Persie
I can live with that.
They've denied any part exchange deal quite strongly. I really doubt either are possible.
It's a little pitiful now, the state of some of you....
Carrick - FellainiValencia - Kagawa - Wellbeckvan Persie
Carrick - Giggs
Valencia - Kagawa - Wellbeck
van Persie
Carrick - FellainiValencia - Kagawa - Wellbeckvan Persie
that still would be too much for Liverpool.So do I but maybe Mata just isn't his type of player. Regardless, as sullydnl said above, Hunter also reckoned we wouldn't sell Rooney to Chelsea anyway.
I don't think personally that giving them Rooney for Mata would strengthen them that much. They do need a forward but they'd lose their best player.
Whatever bid Chelsea put in, I'd expect them to ultimately raise it dramatically. Mourinho said today that Rooney is his only target.
Is there really that much difference between Mata and Ozil? One thing Mourinho likes is high pressure and work rate from his front players, so I can see him getting the likes of Hazard and Schurrle to do that but does Mata have the stamina and hustle to do that?
I doubt he has any problem with Mata's workrate and any suggestions about it are simply a misrepresentation of what he said yesterday, IMO. He was saying it's very important that he has Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Schurrle and Moses for those 3 positions because the intensity he needs them to play at means there needs to be regular rotation. Intensity doesn't necessarily mean he wants them to be working hard non-stop defensively. That was never the case with Robben or Cole previously. Mata definitely works harder than them both.
They played a different/more defensive system though with three midfielders and a pure holder in front of the defence. In the current set up I reckon he would need the higher workrate
That third midfielder was Lampard though. He basically played the same role as Oscar (when played in the middle) and the Brazilian works just as hard. At Madrid he played the same setup as he will here and that had Ronaldo who does less defensive work than any of this Chelsea lot, Ozil who's about the same as Mata and Callejon/Di María/whoever who works as hard as Oscar. Nothing to it.
There's no way you lot are getting Mata...who believes such nonsense? He was vital for Chelsea last season.
Yeah clearly there is nothing it at Madrid.
With that old Chelsea side though they were in a different league through the middle compared with the current Chelsea side, it was one of the most solid midfield's of the decade. This one is pretty average.
Not that it matters though, because I agree he wouldn't have a problem with Mata
If Jose and Roman want Rooney too badly, you never know.There's no way you lot are getting Mata...who believes such nonsense? He was vital for Chelsea last season.
They don't really want Fatboy, they're only doing it to wind you up.
Would much prefer us to get Hazard ahead of Mata if one of them is available in exchange for Rooney.
I knew it, we've driven him over the edge, Maureen has lost his mind.
I'd prefer to have tits to play with while I wank but that 'aint happening either.
That's a good theory. He is only trying to get rid of him because he is a Spaniard and after his experience with Ramos and Casillas he is now suspicious that every Spaniard is on a mission to undermine his authority.
De Laurentis himself confirmed yesterday that Chelsea never made an offer for Cavani, so Hunter is clueless.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...is-says-Manchester-City-wanted-Edinson-Cavani
As if Mata or Luiz would want to go there too (Napoli, that is). What's the point in offering a player in a nice deal for both parties theoretically, but the player that is moving the other way wouldn't want a bar of it?
All well and good if the deal is accepted and Cavani is keen, but as soon as it comes to Luiz/Mata to sign they tell them where to shove it.
All well and good if the deal is accepted and Cavani is keen, but as soon as it comes to Luiz/Mata to sign they tell them where to shove it.
Isn't Benitez at Napoli now? Maybe he got on really well with the two of them at Chelsea. He always seemed to have his "pet" players who adored him, even at Liverpool.
I don't think you will get Mata, but if you did it would easily turn out to be the best signing of the season. I don't think you'd need to worry about Kagawas role either, as i genuinely believe that Moyes could get the best out of him if he was forced to play out on the LW. If you managed to get Mata i think that you'd be fine in midfield if you bought a defensive mid and one for the future. You wouldn't need to get two established players which seems to be what you need right now.
There is absolutely no chance whatsoever of United or anyone else buying Juan Mata. He is our best player who has won POTY twice in two seasons, during which he has been instrumental in winning us three trophies.
These rumours started in Real Madrid Spanish papers as a way of getting at Mourinho. They are nothing more. Any notion that he might end up at Old Trafford as part of the Rooney deal is absurdly fanciful. He's a better player than Rooney is now, for me. Never mind with 10 million quid thrown into the mix. Younger, more professional, more potential and more productivity.
These rumours started in Real Madrid Spanish papers as a way of getting at Mourinho. They are nothing more. Any notion that he might end up at Old Trafford as part of the Rooney deal is absurdly fanciful. He's a better player than Rooney is now, for me. Never mind with 10 million quid thrown into the mix. Younger, more professional, more potential and more productivity.