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Nah, he didn’t. Maybe one game in five. Those other four games his hold up play involved chucking himself on the ground at the first hint of contact and looking forlornly at the ref. That and losing every single aerial duel.
Martial's hold up and link up play was very good and culminated in probably the best attacking season our front 3/4 had had since under Fergie (and since then). Aerial duels were not his strength but coming into space receving the ball and laying it off he was very good at.
He had one season where he was full of confidence and bang on form, in what? 9 years?
Aside from that his hold up play was all over the shop, you had no idea from game to game.
And in that 1 season where he was playing as a 9 and fully fit for the season he had the best link up play of any striker we had post Fergie resulting in our best attacking season of our front 3/4 (and as someone who thought Ole was out of his depth it pains me to defend his seasons).
Was the guy constantly injured, yup, no need to try and erase the fact the guy's link up play was good. Of all the strikers we had post Fergie he is one of the few whom you could ping the ball to his feet and he could control it under pressure and lay it off to someone.
Martial's hold up and link up play was very good and culminated in probably the best attacking season our front 3/4 had had since under Fergie (and since then). Aerial duels were not his strength but coming into space receving the ball and laying it off he was very good at.
That just isn’t true. He was at the club for nearly 10 years. You are not describing the player I watched over that period of time. Apply the same logic to Marcus Rashford and he’s a goal a game striker.
TrueHe will be disliked. The same people who hated Martial will not like Zirkzee either.
They are mostly just stuck in the past where the ideal number 9 is a tall bloke who stands in the box and is good at heading and fighting with defenders.
He scored so atleast there will be a few days without any of those hilariously stupid to read posts.
I think you’re bang on. There’s this myth that Utd fans like flair players but truth be told I think it’s just that a myth. Martial was electric at his best and produced some great moments for the club yet look at the disrespect he gets. This fanbase wants output and output alone. Flair doesn’t have a place for the vast majority of our fans.He will be disliked. The same people who hated Martial will not like Zirkzee either.
They are mostly just stuck in the past where the ideal number 9 is a tall bloke who stands in the box and is good at heading and fighting with defenders.
He scored so atleast there will be a few days without any of those hilariously stupid to read posts.
He’s a unit. Will definitely ruffle some opposition feathers.
Maybe you are talking about some one else as the qualities you have mentioned apart from link up and messing up that 8/10 times was not associated with Martial.Martial's hold up and link up play was very good and culminated in probably the best attacking season our front 3/4 had had since under Fergie (and since then). Aerial duels were not his strength but coming into space receving the ball and laying it off he was very good at.
Or maybe he’s right and you have the memory of a gold fish?Maybe you are talking about some one else as the qualities you have mentioned apart from link up and messing up that 8/10 times was not associated with Martial.
His hold up play was all over the place and when he did have his one good season it coincided with Marcus having a good season and the emergence of Greenwood.And in that 1 season where he was playing as a 9 and fully fit for the season he had the best link up play of any striker we had post Fergie resulting in our best attacking season of our front 3/4 (and as someone who thought Ole was out of his depth it pains me to defend his seasons).
Was the guy constantly injured, yup, no need to try and erase the fact the guy's link up play was good. Of all the strikers we had post Fergie he is one of the few whom you could ping the ball to his feet and he could control it under pressure and lay it off to someone.
Watching the game on US tv and the co-commentators were talking (Dixon and Le Saux) about how they were surprised we’d signed him because he was so similisr to Hojlund. “A big target man”, “must be the way Ten Hag likes to play”, “but it is strange that he’d go for two players with exactly the same profile and not look for a different option”. I laughed at their ignorance.I think people saw his low goal tally and assumed he's a bad finisher or he's not a striker. Even by looking at his highlights from last season, you can tell he's a good finisher and can finish with both feet. His problem appeared to be getting on the end of chances as he mostly spent time outside the box dropping deep.
Here's hoping we can help him improve on that as he's clearly a very good player. He's not as explosive as Hojlund in his running whos a different style of player but he's certainly better technically. We are now actually starting to have different options in our team which is great to see.
Do you have any idea what you’re on about? Martial was frequently not interested in performing for the team, his injury record was awful and his form was very erratic. When he played well and was motivated he was always given more than enough praise. Him not being a Ruud type of striker certainly wasn’t something the fans had issue with, his finishing was superb generally and his hold up play (subject to his demeanour on the day) was also very good. He was rightfully criticised for his lack of application.He will be disliked. The same people who hated Martial will not like Zirkzee either.
They are mostly just stuck in the past where the ideal number 9 is a tall bloke who stands in the box and is good at heading and fighting with defenders.
He scored so atleast there will be a few days without any of those hilariously stupid to read posts.
I get what he's saying. Zirkzee is very much like a Berbatov or a martial. He looks like he isn't working hard, he plays pretty relaxed and not with that much intensity, and it runs some people the wrong way. Berbatov got loads of criticism on here and I think Zirkzee will be the same.Do you have any idea what you’re on about? Martial was frequently not interested in performing for the team, his injury record was awful and his form was very erratic. When he played well and was motivated he was always given more than enough praise. Him not being a Ruud type of striker certainly wasn’t something the fans had issue with, his finishing was superb generally and his hold up play (subject to his demeanour on the day) was also very good. He was rightfully criticised for his lack of application.
If Zirkzee continues as he is, the fans will quickly take to him.
It's not flair vs not flair. Fans like seeing exciting players who play with speed and intensity mainly. Zirkzee isn't necessarily a flair player, but he is more a composed and relaxed player. He doesn't seem to play with much intensity. It'll definitely rub people the wrong way. Same as Martial, he didn't bust a gut constantly so people got on his back. Guys like Garnacho have plenty of flair but also you can see the intensity he plays with, so fans love that.I think you’re bang on. There’s this myth that Utd fans like flair players but truth be told I think it’s just that a myth. Martial was electric at his best and produced some great moments for the club yet look at the disrespect he gets. This fanbase wants output and output alone. Flair doesn’t have a place for the vast majority of our fans.
Anyway rant out the way, I know for a fact I’ll bloody love him. My kind of forward.
Yea I watched the game on the USA channel and was infuriated with the shite they were spouting. Clearly they haven't got a clue and was wishing they never got the chance to host the World Cup. It will be more of the same half baked analysis.Watching the game on US tv and the co-commentators were talking (Dixon and Le Saux) about how they were surprised we’d signed him because he was so similisr to Hojlund. “A big target man”, “must be the way Ten Hag likes to play”, “but it is strange that he’d go for two players with exactly the same profile and not look for a different option”. I laughed at their ignorance.
Then as the game unfolded and he kept dropping deep to pick it up with silky touches and then did it for the goal, you could hear the surprise in the voices gradually start to enter as they began to doubt themselves, ultimately covering by saying “and he dropped deep there Graeme, which isn’t his normal game but maybe that’s what Van Nistelrooy’s asked him to do, and started the move that created the goal, and then finished it in typical big man style.”
And these people get paid a LOT of money for their “expert” opinions. I mean if you can’t seriously even be bothered to do a tiny bit of research or don’t have any working knowledge of a player as high profile as Zirkzee, then you shouldn’t be on tv commentating on a high profile game. Ugh.
Watching the game on US tv and the co-commentators were talking (Dixon and Le Saux) about how they were surprised we’d signed him because he was so similisr to Hojlund. “A big target man”, “must be the way Ten Hag likes to play”, “but it is strange that he’d go for two players with exactly the same profile and not look for a different option”. I laughed at their ignorance.
Then as the game unfolded and he kept dropping deep to pick it up with silky touches and then did it for the goal, you could hear the surprise in the voices gradually start to enter as they began to doubt themselves, ultimately covering by saying “and he dropped deep there Graeme, which isn’t his normal game but maybe that’s what Van Nistelrooy’s asked him to do, and started the move that created the goal, and then finished it in typical big man style.”
And these people get paid a LOT of money for their “expert” opinions. I mean if you can’t seriously even be bothered to do a tiny bit of research or don’t have any working knowledge of a player as high profile as Zirkzee, then you shouldn’t be on tv commentating on a high profile game. Ugh.
Martial's hold up play was strangely inconsistent where he could have one game where he'd completely dominate the defenders then the very same defenders would dominate him the next time they met, but I wouldn't agree it was only one in five. Well, maybe in his worst seasons, but overall it was probably a 50/50 thing.Nah, he didn’t. Maybe one game in five. Those other four games his hold up play involved chucking himself on the ground at the first hint of contact and looking forlornly at the ref. That and losing every single aerial duel.
Martial was adored early but obviously results trumps flair. Pogba, Martial etc all suffered disrespect largely due to poor results. Nani for example is still loved because he played in a winning team even though they're all probably around the same level of flair/consistency.I think you’re bang on. There’s this myth that Utd fans like flair players but truth be told I think it’s just that a myth. Martial was electric at his best and produced some great moments for the club yet look at the disrespect he gets. This fanbase wants output and output alone. Flair doesn’t have a place for the vast majority of our fans.
Anyway rant out the way, I know for a fact I’ll bloody love him. My kind of forward.
Watching the game on US tv and the co-commentators were talking (Dixon and Le Saux) about how they were surprised we’d signed him because he was so similisr to Hojlund. “A big target man”, “must be the way Ten Hag likes to play”, “but it is strange that he’d go for two players with exactly the same profile and not look for a different option”. I laughed at their ignorance.
Then as the game unfolded and he kept dropping deep to pick it up with silky touches and then did it for the goal, you could hear the surprise in the voices gradually start to enter as they began to doubt themselves, ultimately covering by saying “and he dropped deep there Graeme, which isn’t his normal game but maybe that’s what Van Nistelrooy’s asked him to do, and started the move that created the goal, and then finished it in typical big man style.”
And these people get paid a LOT of money for their “expert” opinions. I mean if you can’t seriously even be bothered to do a tiny bit of research or don’t have any working knowledge of a player as high profile as Zirkzee, then you shouldn’t be on tv commentating on a high profile game. Ugh.
Insane stat given some of those playersJoshua Zirkzee is the sixth Netherlands man to score on his Old Trafford debut for Man United after Jordi Cruyff, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Robin van Persie, Alexander Buttner and Donny van de Beek.
