[JediSith]

I think whoever was subbed for Mainoo in the first half would have been at risk of a booing.

I actually thought the cheering was because of Mainoo coming, as it was the obvious thing that would tighten the midfield and give legs, energy and a proper CM

 

[JE-365]

Amorim shouldn’t be even dare to give him a start. He’s nowhere near the level we need, not even as backup player. His performance today is worse than Casemiro vs Liverpool or likely to be the worst one for individual performance this season. He couldn’t even get the basic right. 33% passing accuracy is awful. The scout and the recruitment department who involved suggesting this guy should be fired. What do they expect from a player who couldn’t even get into Netherlands starting XI, benched by Weghorst and Memphis?

We need money to buy player. Motta rates this guy, Juventus is also currently struggling to even make it to top 4. Juventus, please sign him permanently this January.

 

[redzombie]

the worrying thing is, the club scouted then signed this guy thinking he'd fit in this league. We trust these people to know what's best for the club after years of mismanagement, it seems clearer that they signed someone they could afford for a required position to fill out the numbers and hope for the best probably because we couldn't afford anyone half decent.
I feel sorry for the lad, he shouldn't be here, he probably knows that himself but he's the one getting the grief that should be directed elsewhere.

 

[lex talionis]

Zirkzee was horrendous tonight.

 

[arthurka]

Give his minutes to Wheatley and ship him back to Seria A just appalling to watch a United player jog about and have zero intensity. He should have gotten booed because he is pathetic but I think he got that treatment because he was subbed first. This is getting very very hostile, hope INEOS has a ace up it's sleeve in the January window because this needs fixing and fast. ETH bought 21 players for over 700m and this squad is absolutely dog shit.

 

[Cloud7]

Why is everyone so precious about booing? If you’re at a top club it comes with the territory. If he was at Real or Barcelona or one of those Italian clubs with the ultras then it would probably be even worse.

The fans are entitled to voice their frustration.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I saw him really close going down the tunnel and he was destroyed. Shameful from the fans.

It’s not. This was always going to happen. The United fanbase have been pushed too far. I said pre match in the Newcastle thread that tonight was the night itd get vicious. You simply cannot perform at such continuous disgraceful levels (that goes for everyone) and expect to be applauded off game in game out. Our fans were gonna snap at some point and unfortunately for him he was a likely candidate due to being one of the worse players to have ever played at the club. Him being subbed in a first half has been coming for a while. He was lucky it didn’t happen against Plzen.

 

[Waynne]

Why is everyone so precious about booing? If you’re at a top club it comes with the territory. If he was at Real or Barcelona or one of those Italian clubs with the ultras then it would probably be even worse.

The fans are entitled to voice their frustration.

I mean he was so terrible that he couldn't make a simple 5 yard pass. I lost count how many times he either lost the ball, misplaced a pass or just half heartedly lunged at a loose ball. His positioning was also off, hanging around the front line with Hojlund and leaving Eriksen/Casemiro stranded against a 4 man Newcastle midfield.

Something is off with him. I haven't seen this bad of a performance from a United player since maybe Bebe?

 

[Rilz]

Players are lucky

We have the most patient fans in the world. It’s taken the threat of relegation (!) to finally hear some boos and stick aimed at these sh*te players and we’re supposed to feel guilty about it?

Comes with the territory

 

[FrankDrebin]

I get the sense that he needs to constantly remind himself that he needs to move into space or close the opposition down at times.

He always seems to have this instant realization that he needs to do something when he's standing around aimlessly.

 

[santeria13]

Stop this nonsense now man. This is Football the players wear a red shirt and that’s all that matters.

Paul Pogba was a one off and was wrong. But we don’t have a racial issue at Manchester United. This narrative that has been built off the back of Paul Pogba is weird. He’s crap and he got booed. The players don’t deserve to be booed, but the same fans moaning are the same fans that want to criticise top reds for not booing managers and letting the club know when it’s there time to go.

I don't know if it was racism but the hate Pogba got was always a little weird. We were always visibly worse without him on the pitch and he carried us throughout many periods. Yes, he had bad periods too, but no more than any other player and when he was good, he was easily our best player

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Why is everyone so precious about booing? If you’re at a top club it comes with the territory. If he was at Real or Barcelona or one of those Italian clubs with the ultras then it would probably be even worse.

The fans are entitled to voice their frustration.

I’m not a fan of booing in general, as I don’t think it contributes anything positive. That said, if it’s going to happen, it should be aimed at the team as a collective rather than singling out an individual. The first 30 minutes were dreadful—anyone could have been taken off, and it would have been justified. To target one player specifically was, in my opinion, completely unfair and unnecessary.

 

[Sylar]

Zirkzee was horrendous tonight.

He's been a horrendous signing. He claims himself he's a 9.5? If so why sign him (for the tenhag system) when we clearly needed goal scorers. Baffling

The one time he looked decent was when he had rashford with him

 

[RRCE]

Zirkzee just isn’t cut out for either the EPL or Amorim’s system. He’s a big body and is quite skillful (particularly for his size). At times, he seems to see the pitch very well. Overall, though, he’s simply too slow and passive to succeed here. He doesn’t play with any obvious passion or edge whatsoever. I believe that’s why many fans voiced their displeasure with him. He was awful. It’s difficult to have much sympathy for him when he consistently fails to even compete at an acceptable level. Does he ever win a race or a 50-50? Not really. He can’t play as a 9, and isn’t the type of 10 that Amorim would want. It’s easy to see why he looked good in Italy, but it’s hard to see him turning it around at United. He just looks overwhelmed by the stage.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Only other time I can think of is Fellaini and that was equally as disgraceful from our fans.

It was totally unfair to Fellaini. Fellaini always gave it his all and played to the full extent of his ability. Zirkzee is half the player Fellaini was, while expending less than half the effort.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Felt a bit bad for him. Honestly I’m more mad that OT didn’t boo at any point like that last season as Ten Hag cratered the club into the Earths core, but let a single shit young player have it instead.

We won the FA Cup last season, to be fair.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Harsh because he's a young lad and I'm sure that had Casemiro or Eriksen been hooked, the reaction would have been the same

However...he's a very strange signing. No obvious position, not a goalscorer, not a #10, no pace, not aggressive.

You look at his profile and his goal record...he's not getting into a very average Holland side ahead of Wout Weghorst...alarm bells were ringing.

He's the kind of slow moving technical football that can only really do well in Holland and Serie A. He has some positive attributes but the games far too quick for him.

I feel sorry for him that he was given that reception, really whoever OKd the signing should be taking that heat.

I made this very point and was put in my place with the response that Koeman is an idiot: clearly not being able to dislodge the Mighty Wout from the starting lineup indicates he’s … I never did figure it out.

 

[pocco]

We won the FA Cup last season, to be fair.

On the last game of the season. There were countless times bit that where the fans should have sent a rocket their way.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Ralf?

Big Ron

 

[klayton88]

I didn't hear booing through the TV? I heard sarcastic cheers which I just assume would have happened for anybody coming off and it and was more a reaction to the sub and of frustration at the performance in general.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

I don't even think we've seen the real 'Joshua Zirkzee'. We've seen glimpses of it...... and since then we've seen a player slowly sink more and more into his shell. He'll probably go and be a success elsewhere instead of the pressure cooker that is MUFC at the moment. Like, who is playing well right now? Who is thriving? Who is even, doing ok?

But for whatever reason fans have to coalesce around a space goat...

We have a whole corral full of space goats at this club. Antony, Maguire, are two recent ones.

I think we have seen the real JZ though. He plays exactly like his YouTube compilations promised. He didn’t look like he was bossing it - ever - in the clips I watched, so frankly ridiculous to think he could thrive in a faster, more technical and physical league.

Can’t even fathom how this signing went down.

 

[simplyared]

It's all about a player who's way out of his depth in the PL. Obviously for a player coming from Serie A for example, the difference is huge. To start with, the game is so much quicker and far more physical. What surprises me though is Amorim starting him in the first place. He did right to hook him so early in the game but he should never have been on the pitch in the first place. Certainly not against a team like Newcastle. Feel sorry for the lad who's self confidence seemed already at a low.

 

[Remember the geese]

I didn't hear booing through the TV? I heard sarcastic cheers which I just assume would have happened for anybody coming off and it and was more a reaction to the sub and of frustration at the performance in general.

There was booing and lots of it. I was in the Stretford End.

 

[The Cat]

There was booing and lots of it. I was in the Stretford End.

I heard booing on the tv it was noticeable.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

On the last game of the season. There were countless times bit that where the fans should have sent a rocket their way.

There were so many poor matches from the team as a whole, I’d be in Favor of booing at half time and full time, or even booing when the manager walks out. I don’t think it’s right to boo your own player for not being good enough. It’s a different story with cnuts like Sancho and Lukaku, however, who disrespected the club and fans. Boo the feck out of them.

 

[NewGlory]

There were so many poor matches from the team as a whole, I’d be in Favor of booing at half time and full time, or even booing when the manager walks out. I don’t think it’s right to boo your own player for not being good enough. It’s a different story with cnuts like Sancho and Lukaku, however, who disrespected the club and fans. Boo the feck out of them.

1000% agree. Booing a 23-year old new signing of your own club is shameful. We rarely boo our own players and if you are going to do it, it has to be for something really effed up, like what Sancho did. A young player, new to the club, having a bad day on the pitch is NOT a reason to boo your own player. Disgraceful

I totally understand that people are on edge – horrible results, slipping to the bottom of the league, and all that, but those things are not on Zirkzee

 

[klayton88]

There was booing and lots of it. I was in the Stretford End.

Did you get the impression it would have happened to any player going off? Would Casemiro have got that reaction, because he wasn't far behind...

 

[Remember the geese]

I heard booing on the tv it was noticeable.

I wasn't a season ticket holder back when Nani/Fellaini were booed, but since I became one (2017/18), this was easily the most audible booing of a United player by United fans that I have heard.

 

[The Cat]

There were so many poor matches from the team as a whole, I’d be in Favor of booing at half time and full time, or even booing when the manager walks out. I don’t think it’s right to boo your own player for not being good enough. It’s a different story with cnuts like Sancho and Lukaku, however, who disrespected the club and fans. Boo the feck out of them.

Totally agree. Our shitness is not just on this young lad.

 

[Remember the geese]

Did you get the impression it would have happened to any player going off? Would Casemiro have got that reaction, because he wasn't far behind...

Potentially, yes. Although there did appear to be huge frustration with Zirkzee in particular by many around me.

 

[Shark]

Zirkzee just isn’t cut out for either the EPL or Amorim’s system. He’s a big body and is quite skillful (particularly for his size). At times, he seems to see the pitch very well. Overall, though, he’s simply too slow and passive to succeed here. He doesn’t play with any obvious passion or edge whatsoever. I believe that’s why many fans voiced their displeasure with him. He was awful. It’s difficult to have much sympathy for him when he consistently fails to even compete at an acceptable level. Does he ever win a race or a 50-50? Not really. He can’t play as a 9, and isn’t the type of 10 that Amorim would want. It’s easy to see why he looked good in Italy, but it’s hard to see him turning it around at United. He just looks overwhelmed by the stage.

Begs the question though, why did Amorim start him against Newcastle of all teams? He's been here long enough to see what type of player he is.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Begs the question though, why did Amorim start him against Newcastle of all teams? He's been here long enough to see what type of player he is.

Thats the most worrying part of all this: Amorim already making some baffling and poor decisions. Zirkzee plus Casemiro plus Eriksen = what the feck was he thinking?

 

[The United]

Begs the question though, why did Amorim start him against Newcastle of all teams? He's been here long enough to see what type of player he is.

Tbf, he had some decent games here and there. Someone in this thread said he looked sharp while warming up. He could be great in training and it probably did not translate to a good performance in the game. He would not be the first player having that happened to him.

It would really beg that question though if he starts for us any time soon again unless of course all other forwards get injuries.

 

[RRCE]

Begs the question though, why did Amorim start him against Newcastle of all teams? He's been here long enough to see what type of player he is.

Good question. Lack of options? He rightfully likes Amad, so that’s one of the 10 spots filled. Bruno was suspended. Mount is injured. Rashford is on his way out. He clearly isn’t enamoured with Garnacho. He doesn’t see Mainoo as a 10, and was perhaps trying to keep him fresh for Liverpool. I suppose Eriksen could have played as a 10, but Amorim chose to start him in a deeper role. Zirkzee may have been seen as the best of a bad bunch of choices. Zirzkzee was worse today than most - even his detractors - would have predicted.

 

[The United]

Thats the most worrying part of all this: Amorim already making some baffling and poor decisions. Zirkzee plus Casemiro plus Eriksen = what the feck was he thinking?

I mean not exactly. Only Mainoo could have played from the start but then again he is a kid and played the previous game with only 10 men for a half.

Who else could have come for the deeper midfield spots? Not that anyone other than Antony would have been useful in a 10 position if we were talking about the intensity and work rate. But then again we know Antony.

 

[Chinchy98]

Was in the ground. Players have been jeered off by pockets of the ground in years gone by. Today felt like 60/70% of the ground was involved. Quite surreal and something I’ve never experienced in the 11 years of going. Even in horrendous form, some of our lads have gotten stick (Rashford, Pogba, Martial, Lingard, Maguire et al) but never to that extent, not even close.

Dissecting the performance and his limitations is rather moot. It has been apparent to me that he isn’t going to make the grade here after only a handful of games.

I think it is best for all that he leaves in January, whether loan or transfer, at this point the club have a responsibility to the player. More games like that and his career in the top 5 leagues is probably over barring a revitalisation in the European backwaters or out of the continent all together.

It’s not his fault the club came in for him, critique his effort and output by all means. Booing was just evil. Maybe Amorim should’ve canned him at 45.

 

[Chinchy98]

I didn't hear booing through the TV? I heard sarcastic cheers which I just assume would have happened for anybody coming off and it and was more a reaction to the sub and of frustration at the performance in general.

I was there. The Booing was unbelievable. He got hammered… have never seen anything like it at OT in 11 years

 

[Marcus]

I don't think he can make it in the EPL. In a slower league, he would do much better. A return to Serie A is best for all parties.

 

[gaffs]

What was the plan with this guy? Where would ETH have played him? He clearly doesn’t have the attributes to lead the line for any club in the Premier League when playing a single striker.

 

[ScholesBrain]

If you have watched a few games in which he played for Bayern, you will know what kind of player (and even person he is).
He is a soft mentality player who has little tenacity.

He is the last player you want if you want to press high.

Baffled how come our scouts didn't spot that problem that we casual fans can easily see?
Martial and Pogba were slated by fans for lack of fight but how come we come up with a player who has even LESS fight than Martial and Pogba (and have less skill too)?