CBF has too much pride to hire a foreigner even though he'd be better than any Brazilian candidate. Don't think the fans would be too happy with his style of play either.
Jose Mourinho Sack Watch
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On the plus side, he's already coached half of them during his Madrid and Chelsea stints.
Confucius say, "Man who have mid-life crisis is like man who wet his pants. He better be out of sight of others when it happen."
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I'm sure he's had similr issues with several players throughout his management career, but for me Mourinho picked these players out as either not good enough, or not suiting his style, he has proved to be wrong and it's costing him now.
If he'd given them a bit of love they'd have been more than happy to stay.
There were quite a few fans who were againgst him returning to Chelsea. It was a minority, but most of them are very critical now.It's funny how Chelsea fans refuse to criticise Mourinho for how he treated Mata and De Bruyne.
Remember when Mourinho was right to get rid of Mata because Oscar was better?
I am not focusing on KdB or Mata, although Mata had two god-like seasons for Chelsea (for me that would've been enough reason to give him a 10 year contract). So his argument against Mata was obviously stupid.
But he sold Mata with the point of trying to adapt a new style of play, more goals etc. So we ended up selling quality or at least PL proven players like Mata, Schürrle, de Bruyne, Moses, Lukaku, Bertrand only to buy flops like Salah, Cuadrado, Falcao .... Then there are some players who should be given a try like Baba, Loftus-Cheek, Aina, Traore, but no ... he prefers to play a RB as LB, a CB as RB, Fabregas as a DM..... and we keep on losing. If I wasn't a fan it would be funny as hell.
Trust us, it's hilarious.
----------------Cech-------
Bertrand-Luiz--?------------Luis
------Romeu--Van ginkel----
De Bruyne-----Mata--Schurle
------------Lukaku--------
Bertrand-Luiz--?------------Luis
------Romeu--Van ginkel----
De Bruyne-----Mata--Schurle
------------Lukaku--------
Doesn't seem debatable at all. Oscar is a better midfielder, Mata is a better attacking midfielder. Oscar has come nowhere near close to replicating Mata's output. Mata at his worst will still have higher end product than Oscar at his best.
As much as I am loving the scenes, it's pathetic that he should be in danger of the sack.
That said, I think much of it is self-inflicted. He's been in hysteria about the whole thing and created an atmosphere of extreme pressure himself. The media, and everyone else, are in large part just picking up on his dead-man-walking act and assuming that knives are out.
If he had been more statesmanlike about the whole thing, I think the reactions would also have been a lot calmer. And there would have been far more calls to assert that, bad as it is, Mourinho's job is of course not in danger.
That said, I think much of it is self-inflicted. He's been in hysteria about the whole thing and created an atmosphere of extreme pressure himself. The media, and everyone else, are in large part just picking up on his dead-man-walking act and assuming that knives are out.
If he had been more statesmanlike about the whole thing, I think the reactions would also have been a lot calmer. And there would have been far more calls to assert that, bad as it is, Mourinho's job is of course not in danger.
Oscar was better up until Mata was sold. Then, literally the game after he was sold, Oscar's levels dropped and he hasn't come close to what he could achieve since.
De Bruyne refused to train at a high level unless he was first name on the team sheet. Mourinho didn't work like that, preferring players who proved themselves in training first and the two fell out. I'm not that fussed about his move as he would never of made it at Chelsea.
The real problem I have is the lack of killer instinct in the squad. You see the top teams, when they are pushing for goals and ahead they end up winning by 5/6 goals. The only time we have won by 6 goals was against Arsenal in his first year back. This has nothing to do with the playing style because even in games where we have attacked alot and have been all over the opposition, we still settle for two goal leads.
De Bruyne refused to train at a high level unless he was first name on the team sheet. Mourinho didn't work like that, preferring players who proved themselves in training first and the two fell out. I'm not that fussed about his move as he would never of made it at Chelsea.
The real problem I have is the lack of killer instinct in the squad. You see the top teams, when they are pushing for goals and ahead they end up winning by 5/6 goals. The only time we have won by 6 goals was against Arsenal in his first year back. This has nothing to do with the playing style because even in games where we have attacked alot and have been all over the opposition, we still settle for two goal leads.
Oscar wasn't better until Mourinho joined, and even then he wasn't much better, Mata just barely got a chance.
Anyway, as I said back then, there was absolutely no reason why they couldn't both have started - they were great alongside Hazard in the same team under Rafa.
Anyway, as I said back then, there was absolutely no reason why they couldn't both have started - they were great alongside Hazard in the same team under Rafa.
No they weren't
Oscar was shunted out wide on the right, we were left defensively vulnerable which meant two DM's played and Oscars performances dropped a few levels.
It was either or for the first team and Jose chose the younger guy. Rightfully at the time as well.
I did feel that Oscar could have played deeper in a midfield two. He had the defensive awareness to do so and it worked fir Di Matteo. Sadly, his passing range wasn't great and he struggled to control games.
Don't agree at all. Oscar, Mata and Hazard performed very well together. They aren't to blame for any of your problems you had that season. If you'd had Matić back then as well as a better striker you'd have been great.
You can criticise their work rate if you want, but if you want to be fair then you can say that in Mourinho's first season he took it too far the other way. Too much focus on work rate, not enough on attacking ability and creativity.
It's ludicrous to suggest Mata and (an on form version of) Oscar can't play in the same team. Silva and De Bruyne can play in the same team, what's the difference? It's only Mourinho's cowardice that doesn't allow you to have more creative players.
Gary Richardson this morning says from a good source that relations between Jose and the players are at rock bottom especially Eden Hazard.
Apparently Mourinho and his coaching staff went out onto the pitch centre circle and had a fifteen minute conflab about something after the match last night. Surely discussing wtf to do next. Hard to know where he goes from here trying to motivate his players. A couple of key members of that team, though capable of brilliance, look as capable of sour moodiness as Mourinho, I'm thinking Hazard and Fabregas in particular. They are probably write offs for the future. But it's now odds against Champions League, from which I guess Abramavich gets some billionaire pan-Europe kudos. Jose will have to get his avowed backing then gut this team.
I was going to start a new José thread, and then I realised that we have more Mourinho threads than the man himself has league points. So, instead, here's a discussion we've had before but I'd like to read some fresh opinions in light of recent events:
Pseuds Corner presents: Why do so many people insist that Mourinho is entertaining?
I could go on and on as to why I don't believe this is so, but here's my bottom line (ooer): football is no longer so engrossing that mere matches are enough; the drama has to be found elsewhere, and there are few personalities as wilfully dramatic as Box Office José's. But, surely, this endless cycle of manmade meltdowns and mayhem is a poor substitute for the thrills and spills of the game itself? It's similar to the state of 'celebrity' shows, in which the alleged stars are often people who once slept with someone truly famous; it's fame-by-association, and no substitute for the real stars. Ironically, Mourinho himself has played a major part in football becoming less interesting, what with his 'safety-first' philosophy* (an approach copied by other managers who are insecure about keeping their jobs) and his shabby, blatant gamesmanship.
Sure, we all need things to discuss on...erm...discussion boards, and José provides us with talking points, in the form of a regular diet of bullshit and outrage; but is it really entertainment? Or is it, as I suspect, a stand-in for the real stuff of football, at a time when players are so 'corporatised' and faceless, and playing philosophies are so drab and defensive that practically any distraction is welcomed?
*Yes, I know that his Real Madrid team scored a billion goals in his time there. Big whoop.
Pseuds Corner presents: Why do so many people insist that Mourinho is entertaining?
I could go on and on as to why I don't believe this is so, but here's my bottom line (ooer): football is no longer so engrossing that mere matches are enough; the drama has to be found elsewhere, and there are few personalities as wilfully dramatic as Box Office José's. But, surely, this endless cycle of manmade meltdowns and mayhem is a poor substitute for the thrills and spills of the game itself? It's similar to the state of 'celebrity' shows, in which the alleged stars are often people who once slept with someone truly famous; it's fame-by-association, and no substitute for the real stars. Ironically, Mourinho himself has played a major part in football becoming less interesting, what with his 'safety-first' philosophy* (an approach copied by other managers who are insecure about keeping their jobs) and his shabby, blatant gamesmanship.
Sure, we all need things to discuss on...erm...discussion boards, and José provides us with talking points, in the form of a regular diet of bullshit and outrage; but is it really entertainment? Or is it, as I suspect, a stand-in for the real stuff of football, at a time when players are so 'corporatised' and faceless, and playing philosophies are so drab and defensive that practically any distraction is welcomed?
*Yes, I know that his Real Madrid team scored a billion goals in his time there. Big whoop.
Also just read that a 'senior player' said he'd rather lose than win a game for Mourinho. I'm in no way defending Jose, but this is disgusting.
If I were Abramovich, I would also get rid of those players who deliberately underperform to get the manager fired, they are frankly cnuts. Only think of themselves and feck the fans and the club that pays them.
Doesn't surprise me. Not sure whether he was injured or shite but saw on MOTD he got dragged off for Kenedy.
He's had issues with Terry and now he's also dropped Matic and Fabregas. These giys were important players but their form has dropped of a cliff. Too many important players
Probably didn't endear himself to the side by so publicly ostracizing Eva Carneiro. What a pointless clusterfeck that turned out to be.
Also, his entire act has become a bit jaded. Although I was never a huge fan of him to begin with, I actively avoid any articles about a comment he's made e.g. the Wenger comments earlier in the season. The moody perfectionist being biting again. Riveting.
Also, his entire act has become a bit jaded. Although I was never a huge fan of him to begin with, I actively avoid any articles about a comment he's made e.g. the Wenger comments earlier in the season. The moody perfectionist being biting again. Riveting.
If only we could play them at Stamford Bridge and get the 3 points out the way. Then again we can't score so probably would clinch a 0-0. By the time we play them I expect their problems to be fully resolved.
@carvajal have you heard any rumours about Jose back to Madrid?
Interesting. Who'd you reckon it is?
Hazard, maybe Matic.
Do people think Real will just replace Benitez, undefeated leaders with great performances so far this season, with Mourinho just because he's available? I know Perez is reckless and unreliable but thats a tad too far.
Mourinho is staying until the end of the season.
Mourinho is staying until the end of the season.
Falcao? No one can spend the week training and still end up with that first touch.
Agree. It is a very worrying sign in football today .As was shown with Moyes.
there were people on here congratulating and thanking the likes of Rio and RVP for "deliberately" playing shit to screw Moyes.
Of course it just turned out that they were over the hill and useless...
Find it hard to believe the players are deliberately under performing.
Be great if the club made an example out of them. Shame Mourinho has behaved so badly, thereby giving the club little option to back him fully imo. Irrespective of what happens with him though, I would get rid of the troublemaker players, and so should other clubs. Player power is out of control.
With all the bad performances come the gutter press making up nonsense...any reports of players underperforming should be taken with a pinch of salt.
I didn't hear anything.Florentino likes him but he is not coming back. Benitez is doing it great.I'd say that he will go to France
Yeah I thought so. He'll most likely end up at PSG.
All valid points. Bringing through young players needs time as well as talent. When Van Gaal was appointed, he stated that the youth set up was low on his list of priorities because of the precarious state of the first team. Money dictates that clubs such as United and Chelsea must push for a top four place which lessens the odds of a youngster coming through and making his mark. It's not something I like or agree with but teams that do have a strong policy of pushing youth aren't the teams fighting for the top four spots.
As for quality of football, it can't be any worse that the stuff Van Gaal has us playing. Mourinho is a pragmatist and a winner. His record is pretty amazing for a man whose teams play a brand of football you wouldn't like to see at United, but there again, some of the stuff Fergie served up in his later years wasn't exactly sparkling.
His behaviour stinks, and this season more so that before. Can't argue with you there but behaviour can be modified.
Totally agree.
They're very welcome to join us, whoever it is.
Falcao?
He will adapt his style of play to what we expect at United. Yes. He will spend as we all want top players here. I do believe he will invest in the Youth Policy. he will not be afraid to ask Fergie's advice. He has huge respect for SAF.
Having said this, I believe the board has decided on Giggs. van Gaal will not be leaving until the season after.
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