United showed plenty of fight, they equalised 4 mins later after City scored, the crowd still didn’t create a hostile atmosphere you would find at Anfield or some of the smaller clubs.
It’s pathetic......
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United showed plenty of fight, they equalised 4 mins later after City scored, the crowd still didn’t create a hostile atmosphere you would find at Anfield or some of the smaller clubs.
It’s pathetic......
I doubt even Moyed told teams to go out and play terrible football. But it's the manager responsibility to get the team performing.
I agree but it's still down to one part lack of technical ability, another part of lack of tactical awareness and another part of tactical instruction. The first two are coached and the last is still down to the manager. I'd say hoofing was very much down to the manager's instructions, the quality of the hoofing is because of the lack of the other two. This is where coaching staff have earn their pay, on the training pitch.
If José wants us to hoof, then let him coach them on how to hoof better. This is why he really wants fully developed players, who have been coached on everything. As much as it's the manager's prerogative, I just think it's lazy and unimaginative.
If you've managed to watch an open training session under Pep, it's crazy, intensive, repetitive and exhaustive to watch. His fixation on tiny details on player development is mad. When you here that he focused on how Sterling receives which is probably a small detail, you can appreciate why that it is paying dividends.
There's clearly more than one way to skin a cat and José's preference is to work a general team approach but in this climate, more work has to be done on players.
Besides, if we were going to hoof it for large proportions of the game, why not play Blind and Darmian as defensive FBs, Young and Valencia as wide men, Zlatan and Lukaku. At least that way, the game plan would have been very clear.
I don't know what he was thinking playing an in form Martial on the right and an out of form Rashford on the left. Pep did it with Sterling and Sane and it worked like a charm, not because they are better than our but because they were coached better. B
I would say fans were actually very good yesterday and got behind the team at all times and were loud throughout but the negativity and passive approach that we took just killed all the momentum and Jose should know better and be under no illusions that he can get away with that here. It' inevitable that crowd is going to die out when you don't fuel them with anything and take all the emotions away for large parts of the game, if you want fans to be 12th player you have to show at least slightest of intentions to take the game to them, which we failed to do miserably and you can't fault the fans some of them that travelled miles went through some harsh conditions in snow maybe to be there for a team only to see them cowardly hoofing the ball with no desire to play football, you reap that you sow couldn't be more opt here.
Nah. There's no excuses for us going to pieces and lumping it pointlessly just because one player is out. And Pogba hasn't even performed in big games for us.
I see some people talking about how City outplayed us but I re-watched the game and I see nothing like that.
All 3 goals came from defensive mistakes, each team created one clear cut chance (Jesus and Lukaku). What I saw from that game was both coaches were very good at neutralizing each other, and what was left over was the difference in concentration levels.
Sane and Sterling where ineffective during that game, but so were Martial and Lukaku. Although I have to say, that City got away with a lot of cynical fouls which helped massively in stopping us from counter attacking. City also tried to force their attackers into the box and then dive which didnt work so I think our players were prepared for that.
All 3 goals came from defensive mistakes, each team created one clear cut chance (Jesus and Lukaku). What I saw from that game was both coaches were very good at neutralizing each other, and what was left over was the difference in concentration levels.
Sane and Sterling where ineffective during that game, but so were Martial and Lukaku. Although I have to say, that City got away with a lot of cynical fouls which helped massively in stopping us from counter attacking. City also tried to force their attackers into the box and then dive which didnt work so I think our players were prepared for that.
Yeah but that's more about Ferguson being stupid and refusing to buy a midfielder (not the fact he brought Scholes back but that he was in a situation that meant that was necessary). I mean I know nobody likes to criticise Fergie on here but that's the truth.
We need another midfielder who can at least step in for pogba for a few games when he’s out. Herrera has regressed to the point he’s not even recognisable to last year. Matic lacks the pace and doesn’t have the range of Pogba.
Pogba is important to the way we play but we shouldn’t turn to crap if he’s out either.
Pogba is important to the way we play but we shouldn’t turn to crap if he’s out either.
Whats the point of playing 2 wingers when the only defensive instruction seemed to be hoof it up the middle - Rahford and Martial made completely redundant by this tactic & they are our best players - Manager is a knob - doubly so for his post match comments & behaviour - Herreira clearly dived - pathetic
cc'd @Son Of Sam as having the same conversation.
Agreed one player can make a huge difference, not denying that, but I don't think we should be using it as an excuse for yesterday's loss as we have a good squad. No club should be that reliant on one single player to make the whole team play well and the team win confortably to the opposite where they're playing like headless chickens when he's not in the squad. If that is the case, and I don't think it is as we have enough depth to change formations / tactics etc should Pogba not be available, then both Mourinho and the board haven't learnt from the mistakes of not having depth in squad when Scholes retired or even for that matter losing Rio / Vidic and Evra so quickly together.
Feck off you with slagging off our fans, I guess it helps that their team is trying to attack in these games first now, and goes with "Can you stop us from scoring?" mentality into these games no matter the opponent rather than going into the shell completely and not intending to cross the half way line without the hoof into nowhere.
I fully expect the absence of Pogba to be blamed if we don't win on Wednesday. The same way Pereira was blamed at times when we were dour in some matches. I'd like to say that we're a one man team but I'm not sure how much difference that one would have made tbh.
I know he has been ridiculed throughout the years, but even Fellaini would have helped out there. To have both him and Pogba out at the same time for the big games is unbelievable.
No, we should have cover for him, but its not an easy position / player to get. Look how much we had to fork out to get him. Its not an excuse either, its perspective. We're not as far away from City as people are making out.
I think we're building that squad now.
Absolutely spot on. Having Bailly or a fit Jones with Smalling and Pogba would have made a huge difference. When city pushed Fernandinho to CB and Gundogan to CM, the game was there to be won. Its unfortunate that we made a stupid mistake which deflated our spirit. Cant believe the hype and accolades city are getting for the performance.
I don’t speak French so it’s pretty difficult, there was a translation of it in talking reds but that’s been shut down. I’ll keep looking but I just saw this little extract when looking for it.
“As for Manchester United, Mbappé is a genuine football fan. He has not hidden his displeasure at the football that José Mourinho’s side has played, according to the French newspaper. The presence of other young players in his position, Martial and Rashford are also considerable turn-offs in Mbappé’s eyes.”
I’ll have another look after work.
Swearing at me does not change the facts. The true football purists have been priced out by the club, they cannot afford the exorbitant tickets which has resulted in tourists filling up the stands. They are more concerned with taking pictures of rival players than clapping or singing for the team.
In terms of creating a hostile environment, we have the worst fans in Europe.
This is clearly someone’s opinion. I want to see where Mbappe was actually quoted saying something about the displeasure of Jose Mourinho’s negative football.
Look up Le’equippe And get on the google translate, also earlier when you were going on about the board penny pinching, are we ignoring that they were all set to spend 90 mil on Griezman?
I bet he’s mesmerized by it.
I thought we were good for a draw in that game. And if we had Pogba I would fancy us for the win. We were definitely good for a goal in the second half.
The best two chances City got were from Lukaku, we gifted them the win.
I can't claim to know what our training methods are but I think I have a basic understanding of what Mourinho focuses on in comparison to someone like LvG.
A couple of years ago, under van Gaal, we showed that we were, somewhat, comfortable being pressed - obviously, Fellaini played a big role in beating the likes of Liverpool, Spurs and City. We've missed the big fella a lot in the games against Pool and City. With Mourinho, there seems to be less focus on being comfortable on the ball and more importance assigned to how good a player is off the ball i.e. how we respond defensively when the opposition has the ball and how the attackers move when on the counter. Many have questioned what our style/philosophy is, my take on this is that we're a team that prefers the opposition to have the ball. We'd like to win the ball in our half and the ideal scenario/s is/are for:
a) someone like Pogba to carry it forward
b) long ball towards Fellaini
c) get the ball quickly to Martial/Rashford and have them carry it forward
Our biggest issue last season was goal scoring, credit goes to our management/players for sorting this issue out.
I can't see us preparing/drilling to play against the likes of City, Lverpool, Spurs etc. every week as you don't play these teams very often. Vast majority of the premier league is going to:
a) sit back at OT
b) attack in a calculated manner when playing away from OT
So, I imagine we spend a lot of time preparing to play against the likes of WBA, Palace, Bournemouth etc. We seem to have two plans, one for a team parking the bus and other for teams for likely to have more possession than us. We're not like the other top 6 teams who have one style against any team they play. Mourinho is very good at adapting to different situations and even yesterday, we were inches away from equalising with 10 minutes remaining - in what was an evenly contested game.
Mourinho has shown over the years that he knows how to play against the best teams but his style relies upon individual brilliance and defensive solidarity. Against Watford, we had three guys produce moments of brilliance and we defended very well till the penalty. Against Arsenal, we were defensively poor but still had moments of excellence from our front four. Yesterday, we were defensively solid but, other than Martial on two occasions, every other attacker failed. As bad as it sounds, I don't think we'd spend too much time trying to improve our ability against a pressing team as you don't play this type of opposition every week. Rather, Mourinho would like for those comfortable on the ball to take responsibility from those who lack the ability and composure on the ball. It's just that we don't have many of those players in our squad. If you look at his signings - Bailly, Mkhi, Ibra, Pogba, Lindelof and Matic are all very comfortable with the ball at feet, so it goes to show he identified that we had a lot of players who lack this ability and has attempted to resolve the issue.
Let me ask are you regular matchgoer?
He must be. That is how he came to the conclusion that 90% of the fans at OT are tourists.
I've been going to games for years, and Son of Sam is right. The atmosphere has gotten worse as time has gone on. It's next to impossible to get a chant going unless you're in a specific part of the stadium. The acoustics of the stadium also mean that everyone has to contribute or else the fans get drowned out. Because I don't have a season ticket I sit all over the place depending on what ticket I can get, and I've been told to shut up when I tried start a chant several times.
Immediately after the City goal, the handbrake came off and led to the creation of a few chances including the goal; if he left three high on the dodgy City defence all game and left the other 7 deep, even the anti-football Rojo punts would have been destructive.
He's a coward.
He's a coward.
So how the board can promise him Mbappe if the same Mbappe doesn't think playing under Mourinho is a proper fit for him, or maybe he doesn't wanna leave France, or maybe he doesn't like the weather in Manchester?
Also that penny punching board broke the world transfer fee record to buy Mourinho a player he wanted, same board approved spending 80 million E on 2 largely unproven CB's because Mourinho wanted them, that same money pinching board gave Mourinho 350+ million E so far and the same board spent over 600 million E since SAF left.
So tell me something what makes your "Mourinho wasn't backed by our penny pinching baord" assumption any closer to the real truth than my "maybe Mbappe and Neymar aren't too crazy about coming and playing for Mourinho considering his style of football"?
Negative football in which we park the bus and play on the counter against any decent side that can string together more than 2 passes, or sitting back deep and inviting pressure with practically our whole team on our half against smaller opposition when we're 1 or more goals up.
Look who is suddenly back after sitting out a couple of positive weeks for Mourinho
Your first post back was to whine about the manager again!
Sean Dyche with a much bigger budget.
Look who is suddenly back after sitting out a couple of positive weeks for Mourinho
And look again who's here to whine about me raising some valid points...
Sean Dyche with a much bigger budget.
On reddit people call him Tony Pulis with an accent.
Look who is suddenly back after sitting out a couple of positive weeks for Mourinho
I bet you were itching in your fingers as the final whistle went.. Where were you after 3-1 against Arsenal?
This is the new low even for you.
Putting blame on fans is just ridiculous, when your manager decides to have such a cowardly approach in a must win game against a City team that has been struggling for the past few games.
Southampton, West Ham, Huddersfield and Brighton created more against this City side then we have.
He raises a good point. Where were you?
Same could be said about you, no? You were itching your fingers just to whine about me criticising Mourinho's approach.
Nope I was fuming since it became obvious that he intended only to defend.
Nonsense
I haven't been thinking about you until I suddenly saw your username and realised it's been weeks since you posted.You even registered to this site five days after United lost against City last season, and on the same day as they lost to Feyenoord! One could almost argue that you are here only to complain.. Not that I would insinuate that, of course.
If you check through my posting history you will see I'm not posting after each and every match, good and bad perfo included so he actually isn't raising a valid point.
Arsenal is a big game. Bit weird. But ok.
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