You have almost 5k posts in a year, and suddenly go awol for two weeks? Included Arsenal away.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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You have almost 5k posts in a year, and suddenly go awol for two weeks? Included Arsenal away.
NonsenseI haven't been thinking about you until I suddenly saw your username and realised it's been weeks since you posted.
You even registered to this site five days after United lost against City last season, and on the same day as they lost to Feyenoord! One could almost argue that you are here only to complain.. Not that I would insinuate that, of course.
Then you should go and check my entire history, which you wont because it doesn't serve your narrative.
I gave Mourinho credit when it was due, gave him criticism as well, so your story doesn't hold.
But then again knowing that Mourinho can't do wrong in your and haram's eyes in not surprised you're focusing on me and ignoring another cowardly approach by Mourinho.
And yet so many fans around here are downplaying Arsenal calling their games against us "their cup final"...
Because I prefer not to keet starring at my screen and refreshing pages hoping I got some response on caf, in other words caf isn't everything to me nor something I feel I must always give my time of day. With all due respect to the caf and people here ofc.
I'm honestly not trying to be an ass
But if you have 5000 posts in about a year, then obviously it has been given a lot of time by you!Almost as nice as you focusing on me whilst completely ignoring yet another cowardly approach by Mourinho which resulted in us probably losing all chances at the title this year.
I'm honestly not trying to be an ass
Great majority of those came in my first 2-3 months from WW game and matchday thread but oh well done let that stop your narrative.
You are right, complaining in the matchday thread is an excellent way to rack up ones postcount!
And will that change anything about yesterday's approach and result?
No, which is why it is so odd.
Either way, you have been derailing this thread long enough now. Back to the real world!
Posts only negative things after Spurs - Win
Posts after Chelsea game - Loss
Does not post after Newcastle game - Win
Posts after Basel game - Loss
Does not post after Watford and Arsenal games - Wins
Posts after City game - Loss
Hmmmmm....
Posts after Chelsea game - Loss
Does not post after Newcastle game - Win
Posts after Basel game - Loss
Does not post after Watford and Arsenal games - Wins
Posts after City game - Loss
Hmmmmm....
Look who is suddenly back after sitting out a couple of positive weeks for Mourinho
Nonsense
You even registered to this site five days after United lost against City last season, and on the same day as they lost to Feyenoord! One could almost argue that you are here only to complain.. Not that I would insinuate that, of course.
I'm honestly not trying to be an ass
Uhm I'm the one derailing the thread?
The state of this thread.
Uhm I'm the one derailing the thread?
Yes, stop clogging it.
One last question then, who latched onto whom with a comment that had nothing to do with assessing Mourinho's approach in yesterday's game?
Fracture, there is not a single solitary post in this thread in which you give any sort of credit to the manager whatsoever. Cut the crap. You don't like the dude, fair enough - but don't misrepresent yourself in the hope folk won't check. People like me are sad enough to do so.
You're right on the money in that José does not prioritise having the ball and he seeks to adapt his team on a match by match basis.
I just find that approach to be very reactive with all attention given to efficiency and none given to imposing ourselves in the game. It will never be a sustainable approach that will need a massive influx of fully established players every 2 seasons. Players will effectively need to be robots and get disillusioned in no time. Any wonder why he has an implosion every 2/3 years in the job and leaves the team in somewhat of a disarray.
He's made 7/8 signings yet we still look like we need 8 signings after every other game. I've said it from day one, José's success will only come from a non sustainable spending of epic amounts. We could bring in reinforcements in January and I still won't be confident in us catching City. The man's approach needs to evolve.
I don’t even believe the story about Mbappe not wanting to come to Manchester. If you are following the thread - I have questioned the validity of the story.
Then I went further that even if that story was true, there are 1 billion reasons hindering Mbappe from coming down to Man Utd - instead of just lying blatantly that it was because of Jose’s negativity.
Mourinho’s negativity is only 2nd to a club with the best ever start in the PL history. Mourinho’s negativity has the best club record of 95 points in the history of the PL. Mourinho’s negativity has the best club record of 100 points in La Liga.
You see, if you don’t like Jose - take a train to Manchester, seek him and discuss your issue with him as a man instead of using this forum to unleash misguided hatred on a manager that has taken us closest to the title since SAF left. Your posts have an agenda. Better still, why don’t you just support Man City then instead of living a life of frustration cos Jose is United’s manager?
Some of you lots don’t deserve to support Man Utd.
Not too totally dismiss that achievement but there's been plenty of water under the bridge since then. Some of it pretty choppy.
When we talk about players who have a high bottom level like Scholes and Irwin I think United as a team should be similar. Nobody demands perfection every week but christ when we're bad we're really bad.
The vast majority of complainers believe this squad is capable of producing good football most weeks. Similar to what City do now and we've done in the past. Even when not being at your best it's still a decent standard.
That doesn't make you undeserving of the club.
Ffs I can't believe there's people on here who are putting forth the "board didn't back him" bollocks!
Most be the same ones who also believe that the Perisic The Magician was the final jigsaw piece
Most be the same ones who also believe that the Perisic The Magician was the final jigsaw piece
He left Madrid for Chelsea and still won the PL title there while we were struggling to finish in the top 4. Plenty of water under the bridge indeed.
Blame it on the board. We are seeing the symptoms of the 3 seasons we wasted under genius managers like Moyes/LVG. If it takes 3 seasons to destroy a club’s winning mentality, it would take double that time to restore it.
We are not perfect but we are slowly getting there. We would be 25 points below City if we had signed any manager apart from Jose.
Early part of the season, we played amazingly. People should stop creating this fable that we have been negative throughout the season.
I remember rival fans saying we had maximum points cos we hadn’t beaten anyone in the top 6. Chelsea went on to lose against these “easy” teams(which is BTW)
Back to my point.....the conservative approach started when the injuries piled up. Pogba came back, we won 4 PL games in a row and he got suspended - and we are back to square one.
When the team news got out yesterday, people were saying they liked the team and the approach. If he had used 3CBs like he’s been doing recently and we lost, same people would say he was too negative with the line-up.
What is he supposed to do if our players can’t keep the ball?
I don't think some of the complaints were unwarranted, especially yesterday. The first 40 minutes was a shambles but thats both on Mourinho (for lack of pressing) and our players (for showing no composure when pressed). We somewhat sorted it in the second half and contrary to popular belief, we weren't half bad and created more than them, albeit, we only had 4 shots on target in the second 45. Also, as for squad capabilities, we've a few out of form players primarily Lukaku and Herrera which is always going to affect the way in which we were going to approach the game.
I think yesterdays performance was at the fault of both players and Mourinho, whereas, our poor showing at Liverpool, for example, was more on the shoulders of the manager. There were nerves yesterday and until we scored, we never once looked comfortable.
When you see Jose's face when Lukaku missed the chance at the end, it shows how much it still means to him. I think he has done a fantastic job up till now. Since city is the flavour of this season, our fans will overlook the progress made and make futile comparisons. The reactions are laughable. I certainly feel, especially the fans don't show him the love and encouragement for the job he's doing.
His signings have been a mixed bag. We need to recruit better quality players. He took over a very poor squad will need 2 more windows to improve squad quality
Ibra - now too old for PL pace
Pogba - very good but need a good partner in CM
Eric - good debut season, injury plagued 2nd season
Miki - flattered to deceive. Decents assists and nothing else. Disappointing
Victor- showing signs of improvement. Still adapting
Lukaku - technically limited and depends too much on power. Needs another trike partner to rotate him. Load taking its toll
Matic - excellent DM. will need a younger DM partner to rotate him so he can get some rest
Ibra - now too old for PL pace
Pogba - very good but need a good partner in CM
Eric - good debut season, injury plagued 2nd season
Miki - flattered to deceive. Decents assists and nothing else. Disappointing
Victor- showing signs of improvement. Still adapting
Lukaku - technically limited and depends too much on power. Needs another trike partner to rotate him. Load taking its toll
Matic - excellent DM. will need a younger DM partner to rotate him so he can get some rest
Jason Burt says he isnt the man for us, there ya go then must be true.
I honestly don't know who or what he is?
If you're going to bring up Mourinho's history as evidence of his capability today you can't just cherry pick. It makes your post look very biased.
I fail to see how you don't think there's any link at all between the manager and style of football we've chosen to play on many occasions over the last 18 months. It's a very odd separation to make. Especially when we've seen these players pass the ball to the point of boredom in the past. Jose has even confirmed he doesn't want his defenders to play the ball into the midfield against teams like City.
Overall good I think, but I don't think we really needed Victor even if he looks good now.
I think the bigger problem is the tactics and developing the way we attack.
LVG restricted attacking play due to his view on the importance of positioning as a team in the hope that the team would attack together & it happened only once a game with it being disappointing to see. It'd similar to what Henry was saying that Guardiola was making City do in his half time video.
Jose is a better manager by nearly every margin but it frustrates me in his hope to move on from the LVG side of things that he hasn't kept some of the things that surely would be useful such as playing out from the back, keeping an eye on positioning (was awful last game) & somewhat playing inside forwards as strikers more regularly.
Jose is a better manager by nearly every margin but it frustrates me in his hope to move on from the LVG side of things that he hasn't kept some of the things that surely would be useful such as playing out from the back, keeping an eye on positioning (was awful last game) & somewhat playing inside forwards as strikers more regularly.
Think you've got that about right. Normally I put it on players. I did with Moyes and with LvG(though a lack of playing talent was mostly their own fault).
This squad is immense though. It could and should be playing very good football most weeks. It's good enough to still have a realistic chance of winning the league. To still be in touching distance of City. When you have posters like @Son Of Sam saying we'd be 10th with any manager other than Mourinho you know a few heads have gone.
Having had a day to mope following a very disappointing Sunday, I think of Jose's performance thus far as being pretty good tbh.
Results: Good
PL: 16 games. 2nd place. 35pts
W: 11 D: 2 L: 3
We lost to Chelsea away (in a tight game - even in our pomp that was a tough game), City at home (2 defensive mistakes in a 2-1 loss. they are also top for a reason) and Huddersfield away (this is the only real shocker). The draw against Stoke was frustrating but Liverpool away I'm happy with a point.
CL: Qualified 1st in an easy group.
W: 5 D: 0 L: 1 (pretty inconsequential game)
Transfer Business: Good
Ibra good short term signing. Carried us last season with his goals.
Pogba great signing. genuinely one of the best in his position.
Bailly looks a great signing. hopefully can shake this recent injury problem(s)
Mhki the engima. on paper what we needed and shows glimpses of brilliance. don't think he's a bad signing but obviously not living up to high expectations.
Lindeloff marmite man. I've always thought he could be v good - has settled last few weeks. Jury still out.
Lukaku Very undecided. on the one hand, who else could we have signed - on the other, is he top quality? I don't think so.
Matic Great signing. Short term but has transformed our midfield.
Results: Good
PL: 16 games. 2nd place. 35pts
W: 11 D: 2 L: 3
We lost to Chelsea away (in a tight game - even in our pomp that was a tough game), City at home (2 defensive mistakes in a 2-1 loss. they are also top for a reason) and Huddersfield away (this is the only real shocker). The draw against Stoke was frustrating but Liverpool away I'm happy with a point.
CL: Qualified 1st in an easy group.
W: 5 D: 0 L: 1 (pretty inconsequential game)
Transfer Business: Good
Ibra good short term signing. Carried us last season with his goals.
Pogba great signing. genuinely one of the best in his position.
Bailly looks a great signing. hopefully can shake this recent injury problem(s)
Mhki the engima. on paper what we needed and shows glimpses of brilliance. don't think he's a bad signing but obviously not living up to high expectations.
Lindeloff marmite man. I've always thought he could be v good - has settled last few weeks. Jury still out.
Lukaku Very undecided. on the one hand, who else could we have signed - on the other, is he top quality? I don't think so.
Matic Great signing. Short term but has transformed our midfield.
LVG is deluded. Nothing new though.
Legend, he’d have trounced City yesterday with some horny football.
I don’t agree with his comments but in fairness LVG does deserve to take a couple of shots back at Jose seeing as Jose has sniped at him on occasion.
Jose is of course doing a far better job than LVG did so his comments mean nothing in the long run.
Jose is of course doing a far better job than LVG did so his comments mean nothing in the long run.
Load of horsecrap. His football was even more boring than defensive football and it's partly his fault the squad lacks quality. His buys were awful
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