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That's it exactly. Outside of Pogba and Matic, our midfield options are not up to the required standards. However, I'm pretty sure Mourinho is working on that.
We'll be fine eventually.
Yea, in reality if youd asked the majority on here if theyd be happy with where we are right now theyd have taken your hand of. We have progressed under Mourihno, no doubt.

Our style of play, when not great, has been a result of selection issues in midfield. The truth is Pogba is the link between defence and attack, we suffer without him.

I reckon by end of next summers transfer window we'll have made up the ground on Citys mega spending.
 
Penny-pinching board that denied him top tier players & restricted him to the caliber of players like Perisic.

Had the board promised him Mbappe or Neymar, would Jose have declined to sign such high quality players?

Man Utd board is the equivalent of a billionaire that still shops at LIDL and the fans expect top quality products of Waitrose.

Delusion of grandeur!

You know that the players themselves have a say in whether they wanna join some club or don't want? This is not NBA.

You think Neymar and Mbappe would have joined us to play on the counter under Mourinho? There was even a rumor regarding Mbappe that we were in for him but that he declined us due to Mourinho's negative approach to football.

Just think about this, imagine if for example Guardiola was our manager do you think we would still be playing this ultra negative style of football against the top teams with the squad we have?
 
Yes Jose would know exactly how to use KdB. It's not like he ever had him as a player and sold him for nothing before to form that opinion.

Nonsense argument.
We had Pogba too and we felt JS Park & Rafael were better options in the central midfield than Pogba. That was why he left for Juventus. We can both nitpick if this is how you want it.

When KDB was at Chelsea, he was awful!

You know that the players themselves have a say in whether they wanna join some club or don't want? This is not NBA.

You think Neymar and Mbappe would have joined us to play on the counter under Mourinho? There was even a rumor regarding Mbappe that we were in for him but that he declined us due to Mourinho's negative approach to football.

Just think about this, imagine if for example Guardiola was our manager do you think we would still be playing this ultra negative style of football against the top teams with the squad we have?

I’m sure you got this story from the back pages of an Ugandan newspapers. Zlatan - the biggest player ever from PSG joined United but an 18 year old rejected us cos of negative football?

This is the most hilarious bullshit I have ever read on this site. How do you guys keep up with this endless stream of bollocks that you churn out everyday and run with it as the gospel truth?
 
For all this talk about Guardiola spending more remember that City has played without majority of their star signing's this season, bar the GK.

Walker was suspended and had a knock here and there, Mendy was out from almost the start of the season, Silva is a bench warmer and Danilo is injured or warming the bench for the majority of time.

Guardiola came to City, got them to play their style of football, identified the weak links and sorted them out in transfer windows.

Mourinho came and said he wanted specialists, then proceeded to shuffle players in the manner of his predecessor - LVG, and instead of identifying the weak links in the squad (LB, replacement MF, RW potentially LB) he went for another CB (he could have given the opportunity to Tuanzebe and TFM), went for yet another LW despite having Rushford, Martial, Young, Lingard and he even used Miki there).

Granted he brought in a striker and a DMF, I give him that.
 
Nonsense argument.
We had Pogba too and we felt JS Park & Rafael were better options in the central midfield than Pogba. That was why he left for Juventus. We can both nitpick if this is how you want it.

When KDB was at Chelsea, he was awful!



I’m sure you got this story from the back pages of an Ugandan newspapers. Zlatan - the biggest player ever from PSG joined United but an 18 year old rejected us cos of negative football?

This is the most hilarious bullshit I have ever read on this site. How do you guys keep up with this endless stream of bollocks that you churn out everyday and run with it as the gospel truth?

So my valid point regarding players not being overly enthusiastic to play for Mourinho due to his negative approach is a complete BS but somehow your beyond delusional post about board being cheap cnuts for not offering Mourinho Neymar and Mpabbe is absolute truth? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
And since when did we become a LIDL shopper? Flirting after bargain basement players. It’s the board’s fault that United have been left behind. I can’t, for the life of me, understand why a big club like United are after no-marks like Perisic.



You shot yourself in the foot! The kind of money the club gave him determined wheee he was going to shop. Jose’s net spend in the summer was £136m. That amount couldn’t have signed an 18 year old Mbappe.

What a joke of a board....
Are you forgetting there was a spare 90mil kicking about for Griezman? Also the board did the right thing with Peresic because he’s barely worth 20mil.
 
Yea, in reality if youd asked the majority on here if theyd be happy with where we are right now theyd have taken your hand of. We have progressed under Mourihno, no doubt.

Our style of play, when not great, has been a result of selection issues in midfield. The truth is Pogba is the link between defence and attack, we suffer without him.

I reckon by end of next summers transfer window we'll have made up the ground on Citys mega spending.

Completely, you look at the City team and they have a few who can link up play. We have Pogba and only Pogba. Essentially Mkhi being a flop has created a void.

I think going with 3 at the back may have helped but i can see why Jose didn't do it. We need a midfield or a number 10 in Jan if we want to compete for trophies.
 
Nonsense argument.
We had Pogba too and we felt JS Park & Rafael were better options in the central midfield than Pogba. That was why he left for Juventus. We can both nitpick if this is how you want it.

When KDB was at Chelsea, he was awful!



I’m sure you got this story from the back pages of an Ugandan newspapers. Zlatan - the biggest player ever from PSG joined United but an 18 year old rejected us cos of negative football?

This is the most hilarious bullshit I have ever read on this site. How do you guys keep up with this endless stream of bollocks that you churn out everyday and run with it as the gospel truth?
It’s actually in an interview from Le’Equippe with Mbappe and it wasn’t that he hated it it was just that he didn’t think it was the right fit for him.
 
I’m sure you got this story from the back pages of an Ugandan newspapers. Zlatan - the biggest player ever from PSG joined United but an 18 year old rejected us cos of negative football?

This is the most hilarious bullshit I have ever read on this site. How do you guys keep up with this endless stream of bollocks that you churn out everyday and run with it as the gospel truth?

Also what is this supposed to mean?
 
Oh stop with that excuse. Understand what you're saying but we're United and have spent shite loads on players over the years to have a decent squad with depth. We should be able to face any team when we're short one player, no matter who.

Real would miss Ronaldo, Barca Messi- they still wouldn't be using that as an excuse.

Yes they would, and if City were missing De Bruyne and lost, you could be sure that we would hear excuses about it.
 
Sounds a lot like you being racist.

As @Andersons Dietician pointed out it was some interview with L'Equipe.

What has your art of fabricating stories gotta do with racism?

He pointed out that Mbappe said United wasn’t a perfect fit for him, you said he rejected us cos of negative football.

There’s a universe of difference between the 2 statements then you went on to accuse me of being racist cos you cannot subdue a superior argument.

Shame on you!
 
Yesterday's match and the overreaction from all the fans is laughable. When Kompany went off and pep shifted Fernandinho to cb we were well in the game and was controlling it for about 10 mins after HT. Jose knew putting Gundogan in cm would give us chances to counter. The moment they scored, our heads dropped. I felt without Pogba we actually coped pretty well. This is the reason why I feel Jose criticizes the fans. The crowd was embarassing. When you play a team superior in possession, the team and the crowd must be in sync. Getting restless really doesn't help. The goals we conceded yesterday were careless mistakes that can happen when you have a bad day. The margins are so small. If we had got the 2nd goal before them, Jose would probably bring in Jones and go back 3. The moment Otamendi scored, Pep switched and put on Mangala, because he knew they were unbalanced. The criticism Jose gets is very unfair. I'm proud that he's our manager and not Pep....
 
What has your art of fabricating stories gotta do with racism?

He pointed out that Mbappe said United wasn’t a perfect fit for him, you said he rejected us cos of negative football.

There’s a universe of difference between the 2 statements then you went on to accuse me of being racist cos you cannot subdue a superior argument.

Shame on you!

Why Ugandan newspapers?

And why do you think he said it wasn't a good fit for him?

Also you haven't answered my question regarding board being cheap cnuts...
 
Why Ugandan newspapers?
And why do you think he said it wasn't a good fit for him?

Maybe he didn’t want to leave France, maybe he didn’t want to leave family, maybe he doesn’t like Manchester weather.

There are 1 million & 1 reasons he could have said it(that is even if we assume this interview really took place and it isn’t a rumour). If Pogba(one of the biggest talents in France) can play for United, why would Mbappe even think he couldn’t join the biggest club in the world cos of negative football? Which negative football?

Also you haven't answered my question regarding board being cheap cnuts...

Our board are penny-pinchers. That isn’t even up for discussion. All Jose needs to do now is to play the DVD of yesterday’s game to the so they can see the gulf in class between the 2 clubs.

United used to be ruthless in the transfer market. The few times we slipped under SAF, City and Chelsea won the league briefly and we were playing catch up. We are playing catch up again under the Jose reign. If we are really serious about winning the league, we need to spend more.
 
Doesn’t mean he won’t use him well. SAF once preferred to bring scholes back than play Pogba. Does that mean he wouldn’t know how to use Pogba?
SAF didn't know and hence why he left. SAF could not play him in a league cup match while playing Park and Rafael in the middle. Pogba was ready but SAF thought it was wise to sit him out. Fat lot of good that did us.

SAF has lost some very good players over his time. He could not get the best out of either Forlan or Veron. All managers have their achilles heel. Jose's seems to be his inability to get the best of out good attacking players because of his set up.
 
it's an excuse for losing but it's not the reason we lost - neither would it be if City lost De Bruyne given their strength in dept.

So you do not think Pogba would have bridged the gap between our defence and the attack? Pogba was the reason we lost the game and I am 100% certain that if he didn’t play at the Emirates, we would have lost that game too.

All the games we have lost this season had Pogba absent. He’s so crucial to the way we play. He’s the only player that can beat a man in our midfield, run with the ball and often ping accurate long passes to Lukaku or thread through balls to our wide men.
 
So you do not think Pogba would have bridged the gap between our defence and the attack? Pogba was the reason we lost the game and I am 100% certain that if he didn’t play at the Emirates, we would have lost that game too.

All the games we have lost this season had Pogba absent. He’s so crucial to the way we play. He’s the only player that can beat a man in our midfield, run with the ball and often ping accurate long passes to Lukaku or thread through balls to our wide men.

We would have lost anyway
 
I'm sorry but we just not very well coached team attacking wise that's the bottom line here, and Jose should take majority of the blame for that, cowardly tactics won't help him to get supporters behind him at difficult times, we're not some plucky underdogs.
 
I'm sorry but we just not very well coached team attacking wise that's the bottom line here, and Jose should take majority of the blame for that, cowardly tactics won't help him to get supporters behind him at difficult times, we're not some plucky underdogs.

How have we managed to score that many goals this season if we are not a well coached team attacking-wise?

None of you lots was saying this against Arsenal at the Emirates. One game where we don’t have at least 3 players in our line-up and our attack is all of a sudden worse than Leeds?

Football fans have a short memory.....
 
Yesterday's match and the overreaction from all the fans is laughable. When Kompany went off and pep shifted Fernandinho to cb we were well in the game and was controlling it for about 10 mins after HT. Jose knew putting Gundogan in cm would give us chances to counter. The moment they scored, our heads dropped. I felt without Pogba we actually coped pretty well. This is the reason why I feel Jose criticizes the fans. The crowd was embarassing. When you play a team superior in possession, the team and the crowd must be in sync. Getting restless really doesn't help. The goals we conceded yesterday were careless mistakes that can happen when you have a bad day. The margins are so small. If we had got the 2nd goal before them, Jose would probably bring in Jones and go back 3. The moment Otamendi scored, Pep switched and put on Mangala, because he knew they were unbalanced. The criticism Jose gets is very unfair. I'm proud that he's our manager and not Pep....


The onus is on the team to play well which helps the fans get behind the team and support them, the players are bloody earning just to kick a football and if they still need the fans to do the tough work for them during such a high profile match then they rather just retire, you do not need the fans who pay so much to lift you in big matches, you need the manager and the players to own up to their task and show up to the game and if the fans see the players giving it their all, they will automatically show support and raise the roof.

Seeing just dour football and seeing that United are unable to keep the ball even for 5 seconds will piss the fans. To assume that fans did not show up is lame.
 
I'm sorry but we just not very well coached team attacking wise that's the bottom line here, and Jose should take majority of the blame for that, cowardly tactics won't help him to get supporters behind him at difficult times, we're not some plucky underdogs.
Simple as
 
I'm sorry but we just not very well coached team attacking wise that's the bottom line here, and Jose should take majority of the blame for that, cowardly tactics won't help him to get supporters behind him at difficult times, we're not some plucky underdogs.

The problem isn't in the final third. We've scored 10 less goals than City in all comps and that shows we don't have problems in attack. Our problem is in the two-thirds of the pitch that proceeds our front three/four. I'd actually like to watch the game again and construct a better analysis of our overall game but we clearly know how to create chances and score, we struggle to get the ball forwards to actually do this. There was an instance in the first half where Rojo had the ball, maybe 30 yards from our goal, and three City players pressed him as they knew he'd be forced to punt it long. The only two players in our entire team that demand the ball are Pogba and Carrick and neither are shit scared of passing. Matic is also fairly decent but everyone else, atleast yesterday, showed that they're scared of making a mistake in possession hence why they'd rather smash the ball away from our goal to minimise the risk of conceding.


Edit: Heres a link to a highlight video
https://ok.ru/video/459085122231

  • The first example I'd point out occurs in the 15th minute of the game - Sterling has a tame shot. The next highlight we view occurs about 30 seconds later and Jesus has a shot. In between that time, which we don't see, is an obvious hoof out to Lukaku only for City to win the ball and initiate another attack.
  • Then the 20th minute, Silva has shot, De Gea collects. 30 seconds later, City have the ball in our half again. Jesus dives. Ball comes to Rojo, what does he do? Hoof a shit clearance. No composure from him, just a mindless blast up field.
  • Even the goal in the 46th minute was a hopeless punt from Rojo which we only scored from because of Otamendi and Delph fecking up.
  • 75 minute, Matic has the ball and again has to punt the ball up field, gets lucky as it runs through to Rashford who has a shot.
  • 78 minute, although not the worst, Young gets the ball and, quite clearly, his first instincts are to just launch, not pass.
There are many other examples that I remember from the game which I can't find in the highlight video. This has been a problem for years and the same culprits are regularly guilty of simply booting the ball when under pressure.
 
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Why Ugandan newspapers?

And why do you think he said it wasn't a good fit for him?

Also you haven't answered my question regarding board being cheap cnuts...
@Son Of Sam there is more to the interview where he mentions the style of play isn’t best for him, can be interpreted either way but I’m pretty sure he was looking at the way Martial and Rashford were utilised last year and though nah.
 
The onus is on the team to play well which helps the fans get behind the team and support them, the players are bloody earning just to kick a football and if they still need the fans to do the tough work for them during such a high profile match then they rather just retire, you do not need the fans who pay so much to lift you in big matches, you need the manager and the players to own up to their task and show up to the game and if the fans see the players giving it their all, they will automatically show support and raise the roof.

Seeing just dour football and seeing that United are unable to keep the ball even for 5 seconds will piss the fans. To assume that fans did not show up is lame.

The fans don’t show up. We have the worst fans in the league especially at Old Trafford.

Our away fans are the best. They support the team through and through no matter how poor the performance is.

Every football fan knows City are better than us at this point and the fans should be helping as the 12th player.

It’s shameful that Anfield provide a more hostile environment to visiting teams than we do at Old Trafford. 90% of the people going to OT these days are tourists.
 
The only two players in our entire team that demand the ball are Pogba and Carrick and neither are shit scared of passing. Matic is also fairly decent but everyone else, atleast yesterday, showed that they're scared of making a mistake in possession hence why they'd rather smash the ball away from our goal to minimise the risk of conceding.
Surely the players can be coached better. Isn't that the point of coaching, to get players better than when they have arrived. These little details your speak of are a result of intentional coaching and sometimes rewiring. Every start of the season, our fans are happy to call out some City duds but pretty much all of them has progressively improved over the last 18 months.

I'm struggling to see progressive individual improvements in our side let alone consistent performances, apart from De Gea who isn't human. All our players just go through cycles of performances between normal and awful. Jose has never been one to focus on individual player development but on units.

That is why when one piece of equipment is missing, the whole machine is useless. The only way he'll be successful with his methods is buy completely furnished players and that will never happen in this market.

Yes, against lesser teams, we'll steamroll them because we are bigger and badder, hardly any tactical or technical nous is required but when we come against our peers, we'll continue to get found out.

Player development is king in this business.
 
People are worried regarding Mou because it is quite clear that United are really far from being the best team in England. City yesterday were not even that great, but we showed them too much respect. We are not far behind the noisy neighbours players-wise, they are just ahead playing-wise. They have confidence and they go all guns out blazing. I am afraid that the difference between the two teams is managers and their coaching. Jupp Heynckes would have torn that City apart yesterday.
I disagree. Without Pogba and Zlatan we are quite far behind them in terms of player quality. The reality is we are at least a season behind City in terms of getting enough quality players in place. Mainly due to the managerial merry-go-round we’ve been on post Fergie and the lack of investmentment in from 2009-2013.
 
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Nonsense argument.
We had Pogba too and we felt JS Park & Rafael were better options in the central midfield than Pogba. That was why he left for Juventus. We can both nitpick if this is how you want it.

When KDB was at Chelsea, he was awful!
Biggest pile of nonsense is the bold part. He hardly got a look in. And yes, SAF mismanaged Pogba. He could play Rafael in midfield instead of picking up Pogba and it ended up costing us nearly 100 mil pounds.

All young players make mistakes and learn. It's the potential that has to be nurtured and managed. Jose could not do that with KdB and he is still not able to get the best out of Martial/Rashford.
 
The problem isn't in the final third. We've scored 10 less goals than City in all comps and that shows we don't have problems in attack. Our problem is in the two-thirds of the pitch that proceeds our front three/four. I'd actually like to watch the game again and construct a better analysis of our overall game but we clearly know how to create chances and score, we struggle to get the ball forwards to actually do this. There was an instance in the first half where Rojo had the ball, maybe 30 yards from our goal, and three City players pressed him as they knew he'd be forced to punt it long. The only two players in our entire team that demand the ball are Pogba and Carrick and neither are shit scared of passing. Matic is also fairly decent but everyone else, atleast yesterday, showed that they're scared of making a mistake in possession hence why they'd rather smash the ball away from our goal to minimise the risk of conceding.
In short we struggle with being pressed badly but that comes down to us not doing enough on the training ground to overcome it, if players knew the movements and certain patterns would be drilled into them we would not see this happening. Right now as you rightly mentioned our players are not confident on the ball and rather lump it long when pressed because they are devoid of any options as our players are clearly told not to dither around with the ball in our half, those were clear instructions from the manager that is more interested in choosing the passing opportunity that carries least amount of risk instead of taking half of the city's team off by making a couple of more risky moves. Every player taking ages to play the ball because they are unsure of positions of their teammates and their respective movements, we move the ball so slowly making it super easy to impose the high pressing.
 
Surely the players can be coached better. Isn't that the point of coaching, to get players better than when they have arrived. These little details your speak of are a result of intentional coaching and sometimes rewiring. Every start of the season, our fans are happy to call out some City duds but pretty much all of them has progressively improved over the last 18 months.

I'm struggling to see progressive individual improvements in our side let alone consistent performances, apart from De Gea who isn't human. All our players just go through cycles of performances between normal and awful. Jose has never been one to focus on individual player development but on units.

That is why when one piece of equipment is missing, the whole machine is useless. The only way he'll be successful with his methods is buy completely furnished players and that will never happen in this market.

Yes, against lesser teams, we'll steamroll them because we are bigger and badder, hardly any tactical or technical nous is required but when we come against our peers, we'll continue to get found out.

Player development is king in this business.

Sometimes nerves get the better of our players. The hoofers in this game were Herrera, Rojo, Smalling and Young - these four have rarely shown any composure on the ball since they arrived. Sure you can coach it, but not all players can learn all the aspects needed of a footballer. That's why you rely on certain players to get you through specific and difficult situations. Those accustomed to dealing with pressure and opposition players constantly pressing didn't feature. Compare Lindelof to Smalling/Rojo, for example, the former never seemed nervous on the ball. He was comfortably able to pass out from the back and even when he went long, his passing accuracy was brilliant.
 
The fans don’t show up. We have the worst fans in the league especially at Old Trafford.

Our away fans are the best. They support the team through and through no matter how poor the performance is.

Every football fan knows City are better than us at this point and the fans should be helping as the 12th player.

It’s shameful that Anfield provide a more hostile environment to visiting teams than we do at Old Trafford. 90% of the people going to OT these days are tourists.

What I mean is, they will get behind the team if the team shows some fight to play a bit of football. Hoofing up to Lukaku is not football and anyone who pays so much will get frustrated at United's ability to string even 2 passes together against a big team.

You cannot expect the fans (especially the tourists according to you) to watch their team not even get out of their own half to cheer the team. Do you?
 
If he doesn't buy in January I'll be pretty disappointed to say the least.

If he can't get anything more out of the players he got, then he may get his finger out in the transfer market. I don't just mean 'big money' buys either - ask his scouts for any potential out there.

I would prefer he did it without buying players but apparently we're stuck with this until he improves the personnel. Blaming the absence of Pogba can't be allowed to continue - he's one player and we should have at least one backup midfielder than can play his role (not to the same level of quality but simply the role).
 
Yep. Mourinho has turned into a bit of a coward for big games. He went defensive before, sure, but with us he pretty much goes with no game plan in possession until we start losing.
People will make excuses saying Pogba was out but we've got a very good squad. You don't need Pogba to compete. If you do then something is going behind the scenes. We either spent the first half panicking or hiding. Manager must take responsibility and do better than this.
 
Completely, you look at the City team and they have a few who can link up play. We have Pogba and only Pogba. Essentially Mkhi being a flop has created a void.

I think going with 3 at the back may have helped but i can see why Jose didn't do it. We need a midfield or a number 10 in Jan if we want to compete for trophies.
Yea, its obvious what player on the market meets the criteria. Whether Jose goes for him in Jan is another story, but the warchest hes be apparently given has enough to entice Arsenals owners to let Ozil go for the right price rather than zero in the summer. That would be a good start.

The Pogba issue doesnt only affect our midfiled its massively affecting Lakakus ability to play his game. Lakaku is much easier to defend when you dont have a quarter back unlocking your defence at will, and we seen that in the last couple of games since Pogba cameback. Hopefully he'll learn from the red card. Had he played I reckon we would have easily matched City.

But our future is bright, Rashford and Martial are absolute guns! Hard to believe theyre 19 and 22 or whatever.

Sevilla is a good draw too, hopefully get them some experience in the latter stages of the CL. Would be really good for us.
 
People will make excuses saying Pogba was out but we've got a very good squad. You don't need Pogba to compete. If you do then something is going behind the scenes. We either spent the first half panicking or hiding. Manager must take responsibility and do better than this.
Compare Pogba being missing to Scholsey retiring... Then coming back. One player can make a huge difference, especially when they are a creative midfielder with amazing vision and killer passing ability.
 
Jose gives a lot of stick to pundits and press so he has to take a lot back in return.

But when motd are discussing if Jose has improve United at all! then i’m left scratching my head a little.

United have finished in the top 4 once since SAF retired, Jose’s team went 40 games unbeaten at Old Trafford, he sits 2nd in the table to the greatest team to ever play the game...

Mourinho is doing perfectly fine and he will win more silverware this season or at worse come very close.

The hysteria around football these days is ridicous!
 
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