Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Tom Van Persie]

From the sounds of it the City players were taunting our players after the full time whistle which just shows how pathetic they are. Mourinho went to tell them to show more respect and they responded by trying to fight him and it sounds like our players then got involved. City should be punished for this but no doubt the FA will either try to spin it so Mourinho is punished or they'll just ignore it like the spineless cowards they are.

 

[bleedred]

Nothing will happen, City are immune to punishment.

6 months ban for evra... oh, wait!

EDIT: Too soon??

 

[The United]

From the sounds of it the City players were taunting our players after the full time whistle which just shows how pathetic they are. Mourinho went to tell them to show more respect and they responded by trying to fight him and it sounds like our players then got involved. City should be punished for this but no doubt the FA will either try to spin it so Mourinho is punished or they'll just ignore it like the spineless cowards they are.

If true, it is amusing.

I wonder who started this shit though by talking shit about the other team.

I always thought pep was as bad as jose especially when both of them were in spain.

When we played barcelona in finals, I always thought we would be in deep shit with their play acting and being cnuts in general.

None of them happened and I thought it was surprising. SAF and pep had mutal respects and the teams never had any problem whatsoever on and off the pitch.

I am not saying jose should act like gentleman all the time. He can give some to other teams and managers to wind up or whatever. But, can't really complain when he gets some back.

Or/and our fans can't while how some of us were so happy with jose giving 'some' to them at pre match press.

 

[Catt]

Yep the lengths some people will take just to blame it all on the players is truly shocking.

As if we have no manager at all and the players are ones holding the power, commanding on the training ground and devising tactics.

Come on now, plenty of blame is placed with Mourinho.

 

[Catt]

Mourinho is far from the classiest individual.

We all know that. I'm sure he threw that bottle at himself if it did happen.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Before he joined United, we knew that he was taking the the job 6 months before. He had all the time in the world for an experienced manager to assess, even from an outside pov. At the first window before any purchase, he made clear that he wanted 4 players only, he got the the 4 players he wanted. At the next window, he said he only wanted 4, he got 75% of his desires. He said he was happy to settle for that. Zlatan re-signed and Pereira was earmarked to be the alternate 4th player. All in all he got 7.5/8 of what he wanted. As it was his choice to blow his budget on Pogba and Lukaku

As far as what he met, no one forced his hands to keep them, that was his choice. If he shipped out players the way Pep did, do you not think the club would be forced to cough out more money. They have a responsibility to manage the books, and we still have the high player wage in the world iirc. Jose liked what he saw, very little complaints there.

I don't know why people are complaining that we don't have the creative maestros that City have like José would know what to do with the likes of KdB and Silva. So far, he has not pulled any trees with the ones at his disposal. I'll go as far as saying our creative and attacking department look the most impotent. At best the collective performances of the likes of Mata, Micky and Martial have been up and down, with no significant improvement over the last two years. If anything, they've learnt to be more defensive, which is José's prerogative. Jose would rather have another Pandev, like his pursuit of Perisic and gone for Renato Sanches if he had his way. We know that Welbeck would probably have stayed.

So whatever the starting point of City, we would not have had the type of players they had if José had his way. The Fellainis,Youngs, Valencias, Darmians and Herreras; workhorses are right up José's street. I just don't know how well Perisic would have closed the gap.

Maybe he didn't want to upset the balance by bringing in many players at one time, well, that is a risk that must decide on. It was the same stick that was used to beat Pep before a ball was kicked on how he would not be able to manage all these players. It seems to be working swimmingly well for them so far.

While there might be an argument that Pep had one or two players that suit his style, I had hoped that the 7 year PL experience that José has on Pep would count for something and bridge the gap a little.

This is absolute nonsense.

Jose will not sell any player unless he’s promised he would get better replacements. Our penny-pinching board did not give him enough cash to go and get what he wants - of course, he must then manage what is at his disposal.

Then you went on to say Jose will not know what to do with KDB & Silva - that’s just pure balderdash. How did Jose’s Madrid outscore Barcelona in 11/12. Jose’s Madrid scored 121 league goals and copped 100 points to finish 9 staggering points ahead of Pep’s Barca.

If you add this to what he achieved at Chelsea in his debut season, those are the 2 best league records in England & Spain(the best 2 leagues in Europe). The records also tell me if Jose is fully backed, the sky is his limit. We are 2nd to Pep because Pep outspent us, there’s nothing any manager could have done about this.

 

[dichinero]

This is absolute nonsense.

Jose will not sell any player unless he’s promised he would get better replacements. Our penny-pinching board did not give him enough cash to go and get what he wants - of course, he must then manage what is at his disposal.

Then you went on to say Jose will not know what to do with KDB & Silva - that’s just pure balderdash. How did Jose’s Madrid outscore Barcelona in 11/12. Jose’s Madrid scored 121 league goals and copped 100 points to finish 9 staggering points ahead of Pep’s Barca.

If you add this to what he achieved at Chelsea in his debut season, those are the 2 best league records in England & Spain(the best 2 leagues in Europe). The records also tell me if Jose is fully backed, the sky is his limit. We are 2nd to Pep because Pep outspent us, there’s nothing any manager could have done about this.

You're making sound like it was out of his hands to decide what ever player he did not want to keep. Penny pinching board that denied of 1 out the 8 players he demanded? How we must have missed out on the mighty Perisic who'd have solved all of our problems.
By how much have our penny pinching club given him more than those beneath that we are closer to them than we are to City?

 

[Borden]

Our players deserve taunts and humiliation after that shite performance.

 

[Son Of Sam]

You're making sound like it was out of his hands to decide what ever player he did not want to keep. Penny pinching board that denied of 1 out the 8 players he demanded? How we must have missed out on the mighty Perisic who'd have solved all of our problems.
By how much have our penny pinching club given him more than those beneath that we are closer to them than we are to City?

Penny-pinching board that denied him top tier players & restricted him to the caliber of players like Perisic.

Had the board promised him Mbappe or Neymar, would Jose have declined to sign such high quality players?

Man Utd board is the equivalent of a billionaire that still shops at LIDL and the fans expect top quality products of Waitrose.

Delusion of grandeur!

 

[Bobski]

Penny pinching board? I am no lover of our owners but Utd have spent close to £600 million on incoming players in the last 4 years. Were outspending every club in Europe for the majority of that time. Not their fault if it has been wasted.

 

[dichinero]

Penny-pinching board that denied him top tier players & restricted him to the caliber of players like Perisic.

Had the board promised him Mbappe or Neymar, would Jose have declined to sign such high quality players?

Man Utd board is the equivalent of a billionaire that still shops at LIDL and the fans expect top quality products of Waitrose.

Delusion of grandeur!

Had the board promised him... What is this? Since when did we start promising players to managers? Is it not the manager's job to ask for what he wants? José asked for 8 players he got 7 of the players he asked, breaking transfer records for two in the process.

Damn Ed for not going after Neymar and Mbappe without José's consent.

More like the club gave him money, he went shopping at Waitrose, but put the shopping in a LiDL carrier bag

 

[automaticflare]

I don't get what you're trying to achieve here, mate. What does the points in 2017 have to do with 2012-2016? I get bottom half teams trying to reach the 40 points mark but what is this? It's 2017 and the fact is that we are 11 points behind in December.

Because city have been outstanding and the best ever start to a premier league makes our start look worse than it is I guess

This is actually pep best start to a season anywhere including Bayern and Barca. Those two teams were awesome, that is what we are competing with

 

[Son Of Sam]

Had the board promised him... What is this? Since when did we start promising players to managers? Is it not the manager's job to ask for what he wants? José asked for 8 players he got 7 of the players he asked, breaking transfer records for two in the process.

And since when did we become a LIDL shopper? Flirting after bargain basement players. It’s the board’s fault that United have been left behind. I can’t, for the life of me, understand why a big club like United are after no-marks like Perisic.

Damn Ed for not going after Neymar and Mbappe without José's consent.

More like the club gave him money, he went shopping at Waitrose, but put the shopping in a LiDL carrier bag

You shot yourself in the foot! The kind of money the club gave him determined wheee he was going to shop. Jose’s net spend in the summer was £136m. That amount couldn’t have signed an 18 year old Mbappe.

What a joke of a board....

 

[Mindhunter]

This is something you address in training ground.

City, Liverpool and somewhat Spurs weren't the possession juggernauts they are now under their previous managers. They are like that because their current managers have installed that in them.

Again, we all know what Mourinho brings to the table and how he sets up his teams. It’s surprising people are expecting him to change his approach so late into his career. He is obvious going to continue to do things that brought guns success earlier.

 

[dichinero]

And since when did we become a LIDL shopper? Flirting after bargain basement players. It’s the board’s fault that United have been left behind. I can’t, for the life of me, understand why a big club like United are after no-marks like Perisic.

This is quite laughable. Is it the board or the manager that sets the players targeted?

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Are people honestly of the opinion that City are better than we are because they spent more?

Our starting 11 was better than theirs.
Their system was far better than ours.

We defend our final third.
They defend the entire pitch.

They have a whole team that is trusted to contribute to the attack.
We have perhaps 4 players trusted to attack.

We're far behind but it has little to do with money.

 

[Bojan11]

Are people honestly of the opinion that City are better than we are because they spent more?

Our starting 11 was better than theirs.
Their system was far better than ours.

We defend our final third.
They defend the entire pitch.

They have a whole team that is trusted to contribute to the attack.
We have perhaps 4 players trusted to attack.

We're far behind but it has little to do with money.

Our starting 11 isn’t better than there’s.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Our starting 11 isn’t better than there’s.

Our back 6 are better. Our front 5 are inferior. I'd argue that Martial and Rashford are as talented as Sterling & Sane too.

[The starting 11's today that is]

We just have a ridiculously static system that only works if Pogba plays.

 

[Giggs86]

Are people honestly of the opinion that City are better than we are because they spent more?

Our starting 11 was better than theirs.
Their system was far better than ours.

We defend our final third.
They defend the entire pitch.

They have a whole team that is trusted to contribute to the attack.
We have perhaps 4 players trusted to attack.

We're far behind but it has little to do with money.

Their system is miles better than our lack of system. Our starting 11 wasn't better than theirs though. DDG, Matic, and maybe Martial, Valencia and Young may be considered better than what they have. The only two world class players on the pitch today were DDG and KDB.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Their system is miles better than our lack of system. Our starting 11 wasn't better than theirs though. DDG, Matic, and maybe Martial, Valencia and Young may be considered better than what they have. The only two world class players on the pitch today were DDG and KDB.

De Gea > Ederson
Valencia = Walker
Smalling < Kompany
Rojo > Otamendi
Young > Delph
Matic > Fernandinho

That back six is a better defensive set. In my opinion.

Herrera < Silva
Lingard < De Bruyne
Martial = Sane
Lukaku = Jesus (questionable)
Rashford = Sterling

Silva and De Bruyne are their world
Class standouts that we don't get close to without Pogba.

Swap Jose for Pep and I think our front 3 ends up looking better than theirs.

I don't think we should be worrying about money spent. We have the players. They're just playing in an awfully restrictive system that looks terrible against fluid teams.

 

[zing]

De Gea > Ederson
Valencia = Walker
Smalling < Kompany
Rojo > Otamendi
Young > Delph
Matic > Fernandinho

That back six is a better defensive set. In my opinion.

Herrera < Silva
Lingard < De Bruyne
Martial = Sane
Lukaku = Jesus (questionable)
Rashford = Sterling

Silva and De Bruyne are their world
Class standouts that we don't get close to without Pogba.

Swap Jose for Pep and I think our front 3 ends up looking better than theirs.

I don't think we should be worrying about money spent. We have the players. They're just playing in an awfully restrictive system that looks terrible against fluid teams.

I don't agree that your 11 is better than theirs(because De Bruyne > Lingard, for example, is not binary, the gulf in class also counts).

However.. you are spot on about the larger point. They had many of these players last season and looked terrible. People saying "City bought this" but the make-up of the team looks a lot like how it has looked like over the years. De Bruyne and Silva are excellent, but the rest aren't world beaters(yet).

Guardiola has just made them incredible. It is the system. I can easily imagine Pellegrini or Mancini taking this team to 3rd place.

 

[NK86]

This is absolute nonsense.

Jose will not sell any player unless he’s promised he would get better replacements. Our penny-pinching board did not give him enough cash to go and get what he wants - of course, he must then manage what is at his disposal.

Then you went on to say Jose will not know what to do with KDB & Silva - that’s just pure balderdash. How did Jose’s Madrid outscore Barcelona in 11/12. Jose’s Madrid scored 121 league goals and copped 100 points to finish 9 staggering points ahead of Pep’s Barca.

If you add this to what he achieved at Chelsea in his debut season, those are the 2 best league records in England & Spain(the best 2 leagues in Europe). The records also tell me if Jose is fully backed, the sky is his limit. We are 2nd to Pep because Pep outspent us, there’s nothing any manager could have done about this.

Yes Jose would know exactly how to use KdB. It's not like he ever had him as a player and sold him for nothing before to form that opinion.

 

[Water Melon]

People are worried regarding Mou because it is quite clear that United are really far from being the best team in England. City yesterday were not even that great, but we showed them too much respect. We are not far behind the noisy neighbours players-wise, they are just ahead playing-wise. They have confidence and they go all guns out blazing. I am afraid that the difference between the two teams is managers and their coaching. Jupp Heynckes would have torn that City apart yesterday.

 

[prath92]

Yes Jose would know exactly how to use KdB. It's not like he ever had him as a player and sold him for nothing before to form that opinion.

Doesn’t mean he won’t use him well. SAF once preferred to bring scholes back than play Pogba. Does that mean he wouldn’t know how to use Pogba?

 

[The United]

Doesn’t mean he won’t use him well. SAF once preferred to bring scholes back than play Pogba. Does that mean he wouldn’t know how to use Pogba?

What has anything to do with SAF and pogba though? Even if you want to use it as an example, pobga was what 18 years old when he left while KDB was 21?

Pobga was coming straight from youth team while kdb was getting all good rating and reputation by actually playing for a real team.

 

[prath92]

What has anything to do with SAF and pogba though? Even if you want to use it as an example, pobga was what 18 years old when he left while KDB was 21?

Pobga showed nothing like what kdb did before they both got sold by their own club.

It’s to prove that just because a player was sold it’s not because he didn’t know how to use him. Even if Pogba didn’t do anything, Juventus bought him and played him in first team even though they had better midfielders than us

KdB wanted playing time which he wasn’t going to get so he left. At the time, oscar was key to the Chelsea team which gave them a title win the next season.

 

[The United]

It’s to prove that just because a player was sold it’s not because he didn’t know how to use him. Even if Pogba didn’t do anything, Juventus bought him and played him in first team even though they had better midfielders than us

KdB wanted playing time which he wasn’t going to get so he left. At the time, oscar was key to the Chelsea team which gave them a title win the next season.

I don't know if it proves anything like that as he hasn't managed kdb again yet.

But, what it proves is that jose has no patient with youth prospects or has little idea how to develop them based on a few more players, not just with kdb.

 

[POF]

This is exactly what I expected his reaction to be. If United had defended well and hadn't conceded 2 incredibly soft goals they would have won the game. I agree with him.

Those mistakes were an absolute killer and will cost you big games, no matter what the gameplan is.

 

[prath92]

I don't know if it proves anything like that as he hasn't managed kdb again yet.

But, what it proves is that jose has no patient with youth prospects or has little idea how to develop them based on a few more players, not just with kdb.

You just see what you want to see. Rashford and martial are playing very well, Hazard had his first WC season under him, he played a youngster varane in a Classico.

We have probably played more academy products than city and Chelsea.

 

[Darkhorsez]

This is exactly what I expected his reaction to be. If United had defended well and hadn't conceded 2 incredibly soft goals they would have won the game. I agree with him.

Those mistakes were an absolute killer and will cost you big games, no matter what the gameplan is.

This was exactly my thought before, during and after the game. We can dissect the quality of our players and manager all we want, but there is little compensation for gifting goals like that.

 

[The United]

You just see what you want to see. Rashford and martial are playing very well, Hazard had his first WC season under him, he played a youngster varane in a Classico.

We have probably played more academy products than city and Chelsea.

lol so I am the one who see what i want to see now. ok.

 

[prath92]

lol so I am the one who see what i want to see now. ok.

Yeah clearly. No one is saying Jose develops youth like Van Gaal did but frankly I don’t see how the likes of Conte, Wenger and even Pep do any better in that regard. A club like ours can’t afford to integrate youth players anymore

 

[The United]

Yeah clearly. No one is saying Jose develops youth like Van Gaal did but frankly I don’t see how the likes of Conte, Wenger and even Pep do any better in that regard. A club like ours can’t afford to integrate youth players anymore

Well, you think we need to buy more players who cost a lot?

The only thing is that we can't really act like high moral ground on that and call other managers checkbook manager while we have one ourselves.

 

[POF]

This was exactly my thought before, during and after the game. We can dissect the quality of our players and manager all we want, but there is little compensation for gifting goals like that.

I didn't think City were particularly threatening. I think Jose will feel he had their number. To concede 2 from set pieces is bad, 2 from set pieces against a team like City is even worse, but 2 goals as soft as those were a killer.

 

[prath92]

Well, you think we need to buy more players who cost a lot?

The only thing is that we can't really act like high moral ground on that and call other managers checkbook manager while we have one ourselves.

I don’t think anyone denies we spend a lot. Even Barcelona, the supposed champion of youth, spend hundreds of millions on talent. It’s what we have to do to survive

 

[The United]

I didn't think City were particularly threatening. I think Jose will feel he had their number. To concede 2 from set pieces is bad, 2 from set pieces against a team like City is even worse, but 2 goals as soft as those were a killer.

People only talked about their goals being soft and from our errors.

But, what about our goal? It was pretty much straight forward clearance that their defender messed up. So in a way it was soft and from an error too. It was not like we scored it from some breathtaking and sophisticated attacking play.

 

[shield]

We need just one more Matic/Pogba level player to start looking like a very good counter attacking team instead of an an excessively defensive team. I think we need to understand that it takes time to develop a team. Even City, who have always been considered title challengers, have only been able to put things together now. They finished 3rd and 4th in the previous two seasons.

I won't lay all the blame on Mourinho. Think he has done a decent job of fixing things. We have even seen a huge improvement in our performances, but we still remain dependent on Pogba. I think we need one more player who can control the ball to start looking like a very good team.

 

[POF]

People only talked about their goals being soft and from our errors.

But, what about our goal? It was pretty much straight forward clearance that their defender messed up. So in a way it was soft and from an error too. It was not like we scored it from some breathtaking and sophisticated attacking play.

Agreed. It was soft too. The game plan was to snuff out quality attacking play and win the game on set pieces or a defensive error. That plays to United's strengths. The frustrating thing is that the game went that way and it was United who made the most defensive mistakes and City who scored from set pieces.

The best chance created by quality attacking play was Lukaku's near the end.

 

[Jazz]

We need just one more Matic/Pogba level player to start looking like a very good counter attacking team instead of an an excessively defensive team. I think we need to understand that it takes time to develop a team. Even City, who have always been considered title challengers, have only been able to put things together now. They finished 3rd and 4th in the previous two seasons.

I won't lay all the blame on Mourinho. Think he has done a decent job of fixing things. We have even seen a huge improvement in our performances, but we still remain dependent on Pogba. I think we need one more player who can control the ball to start looking like a very good team.

That's it exactly. Outside of Pogba and Matic, our midfield options are not up to the required standards. However, I'm pretty sure Mourinho is working on that.
We'll be fine eventually.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Mourinho is guilty because out of the 7 players he brought to the club only 2 are really a hit in Pogba and Matic.

The rest, Lindelof is showing a lot of progress but not a major improvement to our defense.

Bailly seems as weak as Jones in terms of injury. Zlatan is a big mistake, Mkhitaryan not the player we all hoped. And Lukaku... dear me. He was very good against Arsenal, but very poor yesterday once again.

So yeah, if we compare with City, they probably spend their money wisely.

We need full backs, another midfielder and a winger (I'd say a striker too)... Andthis policy is down to Mou. As well as the negativity, the bad media campaign he gets etc etc

I'm really fed up with him, his style, his philosophy.

Time to think about a change next summer, this guy will never make us even compete with that average City side