Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Also every dictator/despot thinks he's right...which doesn't necessarily make them right.
For one your narrative about Morinho's defensive approach being nothing more than a figment of media imagination is just straight up laughable.
Your posts in Martial thread are just embarrassing and the fact that you're blindly praising everything Morinho does only shows you're more of a Mourinho fan than UTD fan.
Also every dictator/despot thinks he's right...which doesn't necessarily make them right.
For one your narrative about Morinho's defensive approach being nothing more than a figment of media imagination is just straight up laughable.
Your posts in Martial thread are just embarrassing and the fact that you're blindly praising everything Morinho does only shows you're more of a Mourinho fan than UTD fan.
You said we constantly park the bus. Wrong.
Liverpool did not have just Can and Henderson in midfield. You are again wrong.
We created several clear chances against Basel. Mourinho is a winner.
Again, you are rambling about nothing. I said the fact that people seem to think we 'park the bus' constantly is a result of them being brainwashed by the media. It is simply not true that we constantly park the bus. We did it in two games. Liverpool, and then the last part of the Southampton game.
Suggesting I support Mourinho over United is ridiculous.
With most of his players back, I hope Jose proves his doubters wrong.
He is never as “defensive” as some have criticised here.
His result-driven pragmatic apporach has won him many trophies, including coaching underdogs like Porto and Inter to win CL.
I certainly dont like his defensive approach in big games, but I can accept it if he leads us to trophies. Simple as that.
Judge him come the end of season. Actions speak louder than words. Look to the long term, do not overreact to short term results
He is never as “defensive” as some have criticised here.
His result-driven pragmatic apporach has won him many trophies, including coaching underdogs like Porto and Inter to win CL.
I certainly dont like his defensive approach in big games, but I can accept it if he leads us to trophies. Simple as that.
Judge him come the end of season. Actions speak louder than words. Look to the long term, do not overreact to short term results
27 goals in the league by 'constantly' parking the bus mate. We are averaging at least 2 goals a game. Averaging conceding less than a goal a game. Sounds like we are set up to win.
Don't think anyone's suggesting that we park the bus at home against shit teams. Clearly when we come up against any decent opposition we do. That's why we managed 1 goal in 3 games against Liverpool, Tottenham and Chelsea.
We didn't park the bus against Spurs or Chelsea.
Also, the guy I was just replying to said we 'constantly' park the bus. Some people have actually twisted it in their mind that that's how it is.
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. Thats why I didnt even bother to reply. Altho stats don’t tell the full story, it’s a vry good indication of typical Jose’s “build from the back, strong spine” team. The current stats is vry similar to his 04/05 Chelsea of roughly 2 goals a game, 0.5 conceded a game.
Going into every game giving you a sense of solid defense is Jose’s starting point.
The biggest problem is the “link” between midfield and attack. Pogba and Mkhi/Mata provide this link. With the absence of Pogba and massive underperformance of Mkhi, our attack was non-existent.
Our attack is deadly, if the full potential is realized. Lukaku/Rash Martial/Zlatan reminds me of Ronaldo/Rooney/tevez/Giigs
With Pogba in our team, the game plan is exactly how Jose wants it to be, and the results were indeed the best since Fergie era.
Now my biggest fear is Pogba’s next injury, he seems to be the only link now. Unless Mkhi......
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Altho stats don’t tell the full story, it’s a vry good indication of typical Jose’s “build from the back, strong spine” team. The current stats is vry similar to his 04/05 Chelsea of roughly 2 goals a game, 0.5 conceded a game.
Going into every game giving you a sense of solid defense is Jose’s starting point.
The biggest problem is the “link” between midfield and attack. Pogba and Mkhi/Mata provide this link. With the absence of Pogba and massive underperformance of Mkhi, our attack was non-existent.
Our attack is deadly, if the full potential is realized. Lukaku/Rash Martial/Zlatan reminds me of Ronaldo/Rooney/tevez/Giigs
With Pogba in our team, the game plan is exactly how Jose wants it to be, and the results were indeed the best since Fergie era.
Now my biggest fear is Pogba’s next injury, he seems to be the only link now. Unless Mkhi......
I agree with you. We need to keep Pogba fit, he's so vital.
You are right actually, we dont constantly park the bus. People are just unhappy about our brand of football.
There is always room for improvement. Never have I said we are playing perfect football. We have good basis to build on. I like to be optimistic about where our team is heading.
It is. Mourinho haters have very little to base their arguments around other than deflection or spin.
Quite sad and odd to support a team and hate it's manager - what a bizzare choice of experience
I'm really trying but I haven't got a clue what we even are. All I know is that we're relentlessly shit a lot more than we are good - as has been the case since he arrived.
Cue onslaught.
Cue onslaught.
Three shots on target - including two headers, one barely an effort. Ashley Young looking our most dangerous player.
Not great stuff against another promoted side. A promoted side who aren't even sitting deep. Against Newcastle the first half was saved by a two goal salvo - didn't get that boost today.
Not that Mourinho looks particularly happy about it but it's been a feature of his reign if we're being honest - a pack of attackers with little cohesion.
Not great stuff against another promoted side. A promoted side who aren't even sitting deep. Against Newcastle the first half was saved by a two goal salvo - didn't get that boost today.
Not that Mourinho looks particularly happy about it but it's been a feature of his reign if we're being honest - a pack of attackers with little cohesion.
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Well, you don't get to be 2nd while being 'relentlessly shit a lot more than you're good', Kag, that's a bit too much.
But there are signs of concern that our momentum is increasingly fading.
He needs to start turning games around like he used to do with his subs. This game is a very good example of a game crying out for a couple of bold subs.
Get Rom and Mata off for Zlatan and Mkhi, or something of the like... but instead we'll probably see Fellaini as one of the subs.
It does seem that Mourinho has lost some of that swagger - I just wish he'd realize that what he needs is to attack, and it's win - win because at United you have to attack.
Mourinho teams can be devastating on the counter attack and score a lot of goals. That much is clear. We aren't defensive per se against lesser opposition, but we aren't great to watch and creative, either.
We are really missing Pereira, Griezmann and Perisic against the mighty Brighton.
Is it? We've been largely dogshit all calendar year and I've said as much since that point. We win games because we have some very good defenders that don't concede many goals (Mourinho also deserves credit for that).
I don't think it's that he doesn't want to attack. Moreso a case of not setting up the team to do that properly. Other managers get a hell of a lot more out of inferior attacking players.
It's getting worse isn't it? The attack is disjointed and there's no fluency. The faith i have in Mourinho teaching the team to be more effective in the final 3rd is slowly dwindling.
Nah only Perisic. He'd fix it all.
Poor performance, attacking still lifeless for much of the match and I'm not sure what Mourinho's going to change (I figure he would have done by now).
Zlatan being signed on again was a good move though - it's plainly obvious again today despite his age, he's on a different level to some of our attackers. Him behind the striker would work better going forward.
Also increasingly it's becoming clear how important new full backs are. If he doesn't sign at least one in January, I really don't know what he can expect to accomplish at the business end of the season.
On the bright side, still second and many a season United would be top of the table with this points grab so far.
Zlatan being signed on again was a good move though - it's plainly obvious again today despite his age, he's on a different level to some of our attackers. Him behind the striker would work better going forward.
Also increasingly it's becoming clear how important new full backs are. If he doesn't sign at least one in January, I really don't know what he can expect to accomplish at the business end of the season.
On the bright side, still second and many a season United would be top of the table with this points grab so far.
Haven't you heard? If we had signed Perisic we'd walk the league.
I am not sure what to say at this point. Are we all so bad at reading the matches? Are manager completely inhuman compared to us? Is this why they see things like this and don't do anything about it?
Van Gaal was seeing something we didn't?
Moyes?
We are obviously much better with Mourinho, in terms of results. However, if you look deeper you'll see that the cup runs are our saving grace. We are indeed second and to many this would be satisfactory.
I've said it during other managers' tenures, i don't mind problems as long as there is gradation.
In line with this need for gradation, do we think that Mourinho's team will come to proper life in his 3rd season? Are we satisfied with being second this year, or top 4?
Van Gaal was seeing something we didn't?
Moyes?
We are obviously much better with Mourinho, in terms of results. However, if you look deeper you'll see that the cup runs are our saving grace. We are indeed second and to many this would be satisfactory.
I've said it during other managers' tenures, i don't mind problems as long as there is gradation.
In line with this need for gradation, do we think that Mourinho's team will come to proper life in his 3rd season? Are we satisfied with being second this year, or top 4?
He won't change and that's typical Mourinho team.
His team always lack of attacking drills and movements except his time at Real Madrid. He got talented players like Ronaldo, Kaka, Benzema and Ozil only to let them play their own.
Good subs today. Our attack just ran out of steam. Rotation desperately needed, wouldn't mind seeing Zlatan start ahead of Lukaku in the next game.
I'm starting to get a bit concerned about the tactics now I must admit. Just seems that we have absolutely no clue at times and it seems to be a reoccurring theme now. Obviously we have a lack of creativity in personnel but our game plan just seems non existent, especially at home when we should be taking the game to the opposition.
Jose is the right man for us, but he needs to get these tactics right as we aren't going to win any major trophies like it is at present. That might take another Summer of signings though I fear.
Jose is the right man for us, but he needs to get these tactics right as we aren't going to win any major trophies like it is at present. That might take another Summer of signings though I fear.
I wonder if he'd be better off trying a 4-3-3? The 4-2-3-1 is a favourite of his but we're lacking a quality #10 and we look disjointed at times. We had enough attacking talent out there today, so maybe the lack of creativity was down to structure/tactics?
It's Watford away, next? Ffs, I fear for us.
Good three points but a shocking peformance. Our inability onto move the ball quickly and create openings and solve for our forwards is unique.
Does he even coach our attackers?
We are as limp as a geriatric man of 90’s cock!
We are as limp as a geriatric man of 90’s cock!
And our football is from the 70's.
I don't get why we're still too reliant on individual brilliance. It's as if the system does nothing for us at all.
Agreed.
I don’t want to be knee jerk and start calling for his head, but the very least Mourinho needs to do is shake up his backroom staff and get some coaches in that can coach our failing attackers.
When we hired him most had high hopes for his second season. He's the second season man. If we're now looking at several (dramatic, like as not) changes and/or upgrades leading to a real challenge (befitting our status, resources and so forth) in his third season (or does he need even more time before we start looking and acting like an actual top side?), well - that's a different deal than most had in mind.
However, disregarding the above, progress is progress. If we finish 2nd behind a genuinely impressive City, we have to consider that adequate. Especially if we can spice up the season a bit with a good showing in the CL knockout stages.
Finishing below 2nd in the league will take some explaining, though. City are what they are but if we fail to grab more points than Chelsea/Spurs/whoever it'll look dodgy barring extreme injury troubles in the latter half of the season.
And, yes, the attacking is shocking at times.
He needs to fix that. If it means buying the best available individual attacker/creator in the market, so be it. If he can't get the current options to gel, that's hardly awe inspiring management but fair enough, it's not his strong point, whatever - but do something.
We don't look anywhere near a top side in the attacking department other than in flashes. That isn't good enough, period.
He needs to fix that. If it means buying the best available individual attacker/creator in the market, so be it. If he can't get the current options to gel, that's hardly awe inspiring management but fair enough, it's not his strong point, whatever - but do something.
We don't look anywhere near a top side in the attacking department other than in flashes. That isn't good enough, period.
Scared of attacking a very average side today. Jose got it wrong today and it took a fluke to get us the points.
He is doing a poor job with Lukaku. His goal tally is flattering.
He is doing a poor job with Lukaku. His goal tally is flattering.
Needs to put Lukaku out of his misery against Watford and start Ibrahimovic!!
I don't think he was scared of attacking them seeing we had both Valencia and Young pushing forward with a front 4 of Mata, Martial, Rashford and Lukaku. It's just that we're rubbish.
tbh, do two Prem 11s and who would get in from our lineup. DDG, Pogba. Bailly? Matic?
I think we still lack balance and tbh do have quite a few limited players. I think to be 2nd right now in Joses second season is a huge improvement. But then again LVg was top around this period in his second season and it all fell apart.
BUt regardless, we are pretty much through in CL and progressing all round.
I think we still lack balance and tbh do have quite a few limited players. I think to be 2nd right now in Joses second season is a huge improvement. But then again LVg was top around this period in his second season and it all fell apart.
BUt regardless, we are pretty much through in CL and progressing all round.
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