Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

Your stance

  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
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    1,563
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Man United have now spent £587m since Alex Ferguson retired - more than they did when he was in charge." the mirror.

It is true though not mentioned at the media emphatically our transfer was a disaster to say the least.

14 players or more - close to 600 Million spent on players. No standout player.

It is truly a money well spent.
 
Could have spent that total on so many other quality players all doing amazingly well for our rivals.

We need a DoF. Simple as that.
 
meninred said:
Man United have now spent £587m since Alex Ferguson retired - more than they did when he was in charge." the mirror.

It is true though not mentioned at the media emphatically our transfer was a disaster to say the least.

14 players or more - close to 600 Million spent on players. No standout player.

It is truly a money well spent.
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Pogba is not a standout player?
 
Ahhh those, "players don't have it in them", "players betrayed Jose, they don't have the winning mentality", "players don't have the right attitude" excuses are genuinely becoming even more hilarious.

How can players develop that winning mentality and so called "right attitude" when their manager constantly has them parking the bus and playing only not to concede? He came out after the match vs. Liverpool and said he didn't have the players to battle Henderson and Can ffs!

Also people need to understand that no team in the world will have 100% conversion rate, hence why us creating 2/3 chances per match is not enough. Against teams like Basel and Huddersfield we should have had 10+ clear cut chances.
 
The money spent to success ratio is absolutely unforgiveable. The owners, for all their flaws, have every right to be livid with the way our money has been spent since SAF retired.

The club is not being run well, at all.
 
Fracture90 said:
Ahhh those, "players don't have it in them", "players betrayed Jose, they don't have the winning mentality", "players don't have the right attitude" excuses are genuinely becoming even more hilarious.

How can players develop that winning mentality and so called "right attitude" when their manager constantly has them parking the bus and playing only not to concede? He came out after the match vs. Liverpool and said he didn't have the players to battle Henderson and Can ffs!

Also people need to understand that no team in the world will have 100% conversion rate, hence why us creating 2/3 chances per match is not enough. Against teams like Basel and Huddersfield we should have had 10+ clear cut chances.
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C'mon mate, you clearly have an agenda against our glorious leader :nono:. This site is for top reds only...
 
Fracture90 said:
Ahhh those, "players don't have it in them", "players betrayed Jose, they don't have the winning mentality", "players don't have the right attitude" excuses are genuinely becoming even more hilarious.

How can players develop that winning mentality and so called "right attitude" when their manager constantly has them parking the bus and playing only not to concede? He came out after the match vs. Liverpool and said he didn't have the players to battle Henderson and Can ffs!

Also people need to understand that no team in the world will have 100% conversion rate, hence why us creating 2/3 chances per match is not enough. Against teams like Basel and Huddersfield we should have had 10+ clear cut chances.
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Rubbish. Constantly? We've parked the bus a whole one time this season - at Liverpool. That was also because we had our best defender and our best midfielder injured, resulting in us essentially playing with two holding midfielders and no-one to link the midfield to the attack. We didn't have the players to win that midfield battle and you're being naive if you don't agree. It was a midfield three against a midfield two for starters (already a numerical disadvantage), on top of that we had two holding midfielders who essentially do the same thing and occupy the same areas, neither of whom are good at carrying the ball forward, receiving the ball under pressure or offering a goal threat. We played shite in that game as we couldn't get out of midfield, mainly because Herrera passes the ball backwards the second anyone gets near him and Matic was essentially isolated out of the game.

That's all evident by the fact that we started the game trying to get forward and were putting attacks together.
 
Hawks2008 said:
C'mon mate, you clearly have an agenda against our glorious leader :nono:. This site is for top reds only...
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Laughable, some of you lot absolutely do have an agenda against Jose. There isn't a single post of support from any of you after a convincing win, but a loss, regardless of the context and there's 15 pages of moaning.

Either that or you're all spoiled and entitled, take your pick.

This place truly is a cesspool at times.
 
Fracture90 said:
How can players develop that winning mentality and so called "right attitude" when their manager constantly has them parking the bus and playing only not to concede? He came out after the match vs. Liverpool and said he didn't have the players to battle Henderson and Can ffs!
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Constantly parking the bus? We're the 2nd highest scoring team in the league.
 
Defensively we are solid. Impressed with some of the signings like Pogba, Ibra, Lukaku. He has also made some mistakes by not signing a full back or winger. We need to kick on again next summer. If we can get Ozil on a free and replace Carrick with a younger profile, whilst also adding a top fb and a winger we will be in good shape.
 
Phil Jones 79 said:
Defensively we are solid. Impressed with some of the signings like Pogba, Ibra, Lukaku. He has also made some mistakes by not signing a full back or winger. We need to kick on again next summer. If we can get Ozil on a free and replace Carrick with a younger profile, whilst also adding a top fb and a winger we will be in good shape.
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I agree. Why he pursued Lindelof seemed obvious but in hindsight not spending that money on a fullback(s?) is looking like the incorrect decision so far.
 
If it was a straight choice between Lindelof and upgrading the left flank (the whole Perisic business being part of that equation), it doesn’t look like the wrong choice as much as a bizarre choice.

I don’t think the above is the case, though. To me the fact that Woody coughed up that much for what is essentially a CB prospect indicates we’re very far from being strapped for cash.
 
We wanted Perisic after we signed Lindelof so why are some posters acting as if it was either / or?
 
cyberman said:
We wanted Perisic after we signed Lindelof so why are some posters acting as if it was either / or?
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The theory (as I understand it) is that Jose had to give up on Perisic because the amount Inter ultimately demanded meant he’d blow his budget (a fixed budget, that is).

It’s not a very convincing theory. For one thing, if true it means Jose is a bit of a muppet, blowing thirty mill plus on a player you really couldn’t call essential – and ending up not landing a presumably much more important player in Perisic.

Personally, I doubt Jose would have sanctioned Lindelof (at that fee) if he was on a fixed budget.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
The money spent to success ratio is absolutely unforgiveable. The owners, for all their flaws, have every right to be livid with the way our money has been spent since SAF retired.

The club is not being run well, at all.
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I'm not sure if you're aware but the owners are responsible for the running of the club :lol:

Also, the owners have not contributed one single penny to the club. The most theyve done is allowed us to save a bit of money because we've got more debt that can be leveraged when paying taxes.
 
I think we have hit the liverpool 90's phase, spending allot more money, and playing football much less entertaining which is frustrating. I do think we have become stable, we will win some matches, lose some, but I don't think we will do anything worthwhile or special this season, we will maybe get to the last 16 or quarter finals.

When we have owners who are allot less rich than city, when fergie was in charge between august 2009, and had 4 summers where we never really strengthened the side with a set budget, not to mention losing fergie replaced him with a clown, then a senile mad man, and a manager which should have taken over from fergie in the first place, and now we trying to catch up, its going to be a long long road
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The theory (as I understand it) is that Jose had to give up on Perisic because the amount Inter ultimately demanded meant he’d blow his budget (a fixed budget, that is).

It’s not a very convincing theory. For one thing, if true it means Jose is a bit of a muppet, blowing thirty mill plus on a player you really couldn’t call essential – and ending up not landing a presumably much more important player in Perisic.

Personally, I doubt Jose would have sanctioned Lindelof (at that fee) if he was on a fixed budget.
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Just because we didn't sign Lindeloff wouldn't automatically mean that money is free to blow on Perisic though, thats daft thinking. The club seemingly just didn't think he was worth what inter demanded
 
Smores said:
Just because we didn't sign Lindeloff wouldn't automatically mean that money is free to blow on Perisic though, thats daft thinking. The club seemingly just didn't think he was worth what inter demanded
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Why did we pay big cash for Mkhitaryan, then? Was he worth the money and Perisic not?
 
There just seems to be a general lack of direction at the club, tbh.

Whether that's in regards to the managerial appointments, players brought in, or the style of play we're trying to implement. I don't really see any direction we're going in.

Our consistency (in terms of performances) is all over the place at the moment, which makes it hard to get too excited when we do manage to get a good result or put in a impressive performance.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Yeah damn those people who like to get behind the team and manager and aren't a bunch of bed wetters.
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There's plenty of bed wetting of those desperate to defend/praise Jose day in day out too.

Smores said:
Just because we didn't sign Lindeloff wouldn't automatically mean that money is free to blow on Perisic though, thats daft thinking. The club seemingly just didn't think he was worth what inter demanded
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Makes complete sense. Good decision. It would imply that the money is there for is but not waste.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
The theory (as I understand it) is that Jose had to give up on Perisic because the amount Inter ultimately demanded meant he’d blow his budget (a fixed budget, that is).

It’s not a very convincing theory. For one thing, if true it means Jose is a bit of a muppet, blowing thirty mill plus on a player you really couldn’t call essential – and ending up not landing a presumably much more important player in Perisic.

Personally, I doubt Jose would have sanctioned Lindelof (at that fee) if he was on a fixed budget.
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Got to take in to account if Griezman hadn’t decided to stay that was another 89mil on the bill. I’d imagine Lukaku/Morata were always on the bill as well along with Lindelof as the rumour had been going on for an entire year. Matic was possibly a surprise/opportunistic move or just one they’d always planned just didn’t fully believe in.
Where Peresic fits in to this not sure. Did Jose ever confirm he was in for him?
 
Smores said:
Just because we didn't sign Lindeloff wouldn't automatically mean that money is free to blow on Perisic though, thats daft thinking. The club seemingly just didn't think he was worth what inter demanded
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Yes, I agree (if that was unclear).

I suspect Inter were being difficult/unreasonable regarding Perisic. I doubt the reason we didn't buy him was that the (reasonable) asking price was a few mill beyond a fixed budget.

Perhaps they wanted Martial as part of the deal, as some have suggested.
 
@Chesterlestreet
If I remember correctly, Inter were demanding 50 odd million plus Martial on loan?
This forum mocked us for overspending and now its why didn't we just pony up for Perisic anyway?
It makes no sense, especially with how well Young is doing. Its not as if Perisic is even a LB by trade.
 
The King has spoken.

'I just cannot understand why Manchester United takes on a manager who plays in a defensive way,' said Cantona. 'He is very intelligent but he is playing in this defensive way which is not the identity of Manchester United.

'I love Mourinho as manager, and I said it before he arrived in Manchester. He' s very clever and he takes all the pressure on himself.

'He is very psychological. He has a lot of charisma. He won a lot of things and he will win a lot of things.

'But the football I played and the football (Sir Alex) Ferguson played, and (Sir) Matt Busby before, it was very creative football.

'It's why I prefer the way Guardiola plays and I would prefer to have him as manager of Manchester United – it's more logical.

'I prefer to watch when Barcelona play. I don't watch Manchester City because it's Manchester City, but I would love to play for a team managed by Guardiola.

'Of course, I follow Manchester United because it's my club, my blood, more than a club. But I prefer more creative teams like Barcelona.'

-Eric Cantona.

That bit about Man City tho. :lol::lol:
 
Hehe.

Good man.

I don't fully agree with him, though. Pep's style isn't United football (either), not for me. It's too elaborate.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Hehe.

Good man.

I don't fully agree with him, though. Pep's style isn't United football (either), not for me. It's too elaborate.
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You mean that United are traditionally associated with a absolute overall level of attacking football, but nature of United's football is more simplistic/direct?

I.e. both Guardiola's teams and traditionally United would score 10/10 for attacking football whilst being stylistically completely different?
 
TheOrgazoid said:
You mean that United are traditionally associated with a absolute overall level of attacking football, but nature of United's football is more simplistic/direct?
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Yes, something like that.

Direct and attacking, going for the jugular with swagger, not being defensively suspect or naive. Doesn't hurt if there's a dazzling winger (or two) in the mix.

José at his best, stylistically, isn't miles off. But he's too cautious on the whole and tends to treat the low-risk approach as a default choice against tricky opponents. Which isn't ideal. And I'm talking about an ideal here, not about a particular brand of football favoured by any particular manager currently active.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes, something like that.

Direct and attacking, going for the jugular with swagger, not being defensively suspect or naive. Doesn't hurt if there's a dazzling winger (or two) in the mix.

José at his best, stylistically, isn't miles off. But he's too cautious on the whole and tends to treat the low-risk approach as a default choice against tricky opponents. Which isn't ideal. And I'm talking about an ideal here, not about a particular brand of football favoured by any particular manager currently active.
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Yep, agreed on all of those points, every single one.

The top paragraph reminds me of a simpler time and it has made me very happy this eve.

Permission to bore my partner (who couldn't give a toss about football) about the magic of our 99' semi-final with Juve?
 
meninred said:
Man United have now spent £587m since Alex Ferguson retired - more than they did when he was in charge." the mirror.

It is true though not mentioned at the media emphatically our transfer was a disaster to say the least.

14 players or more - close to 600 Million spent on players. No standout player.

It is truly a money well spent.
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Pogba, Matic, Bailey, Martial, Rojo(given the low fee paid) are hardly poor buys?
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Hehe.

Good man.

I don't fully agree with him, though. Pep's style isn't United football (either), not for me. It's too elaborate.
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I don't think it's as elaborate. Pep's brand of football emphasises off ball movement a great deal in order to disrupt defensive lines or exploit spaces or to overload areas. It's not that dissimilar to what we were doing under Fergie even before Ronaldo arrived.

We were never static as we have been these last 4 years.
 
Fracture90 said:
Ahhh those, "players don't have it in them", "players betrayed Jose, they don't have the winning mentality", "players don't have the right attitude" excuses are genuinely becoming even more hilarious.

How can players develop that winning mentality and so called "right attitude" when their manager constantly has them parking the bus and playing only not to concede? He came out after the match vs. Liverpool and said he didn't have the players to battle Henderson and Can ffs!

Also people need to understand that no team in the world will have 100% conversion rate, hence why us creating 2/3 chances per match is not enough. Against teams like Basel and Huddersfield we should have had 10+ clear cut chances.
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We do not constantly park the bus. Mourinho is a winner. Also, Liverpool had 3 in midfield. Plus Coutinho who came inside. We had several clear chances against Basel. Terrible post.

Womp said:
Laughable, some of you lot absolutely do have an agenda against Jose. There isn't a single post of support from any of you after a convincing win, but a loss, regardless of the context and there's 15 pages of moaning.

Either that or you're all spoiled and entitled, take your pick.

This place truly is a cesspool at times.
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It is seriously strange.
 
haram said:
We do not constantly park the bus. Mourinho is a winner. Also, Liverpool had 3 in midfield. Plus Coutinho who came inside. We had several clear chances against Basel. Terrible post.
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Rich coming from you considering that you always ignore every valid point that is raised and just brush it aside with all familiar "media has brainwashed you into thinking that Mourinho is defensive manager" and considering the amount of crap you're spilling on Martial thread.

You constantly call out people to be agenda driven but ironically it is you who seems to be agenda driven with your meltdowns against everyone who poi out to the negatives of Mourinho's style.
 
Fracture90 said:
Rich coming from you considering that you always ignore every valid point that is raised and just brush it aside with all familiar "media has brainwashed you into thinking that Mourinho is defensive manager" and considering the amount of crap you're spilling on Martial thread.

You constantly call out people to be agenda driven but ironically it is you who seems to be agenda driven with your meltdowns against everyone who poi out to the negatives of Mourinho's style.
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Please tell me what was wrong with what I said instead of rambling about nothing. I think everything I said is accurate.
 
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