You're completely missing the point. You're making it look as if people are mad because we lost and not because our football has been utterly dreadful wayyy more often then not.
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You're completely missing the point. You're making it look as if people are mad because we lost and not because our football has been utterly dreadful wayyy more often then not.
"b-but you win the league by playing shit vs big teams and belting everyone else" yeah we're 8 points off the pace in november, Mourinho cultists can stop defending this shite now.
What a wanker you are
Go cry about your club not winning or playing the way you want.
A win would have been even better. And to do that you need to score and know how to attack.
Should stop this 5 defender nonsense. Our midfield is getting overrun constantly because of that shitty formation
If these two clowns are the benchmark, then yay we are good.
WE ARE BAD. WE CANT PLAY PROPER FOOTBALL AGAINST BIG TEAMS. It has been 9 big away games under Jose, ZERO wins.
This is from 2014:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/473336/Eden-Hazard-Chelsea-are-NOT-set-up-to-play-football
Give it a good read. It is the same state here.
One of the issues with having the sort of pragmatic "results are what matter" attitude we see in Mourinho is that you then have nowhere to hide when you don't get those results. To a certain extent it justifies a harsher reaction to results like today's, despite it obviously being a tough game.
This is especially true when the main team you're competing with are getting better results while also playing much better football.
It's still very in the season and we can still catch City but at this point criticism is certainly justified. Mourinho was hired to be better than the other managers and make the team better than the other teams, so we kinda have to judge him to the highest standard.
This is especially true when the main team you're competing with are getting better results while also playing much better football.
It's still very in the season and we can still catch City but at this point criticism is certainly justified. Mourinho was hired to be better than the other managers and make the team better than the other teams, so we kinda have to judge him to the highest standard.
Present me an alternative. I'm not looking at our squad with rose tinted glasses.
The transfer market has gone mad and, because clubs know we have the cash, Man Utd end up paying big fees. That doesn't mean we have an obvious replacement for Pogba.
To deal with the obvious issues we have in midfield, in games like this, we need to keep it tight. Saying, well we spent £300m so we should be great, is not a practical solution for the fact we have no real playmakers available.
Roma > Chelsea > Man Utd > Spurs > Real Madrid > Man Utd
We showed plenty of intent in the first half. The problem is lack of quality and numbers in midfield.He can piss off when his contract ends, sick of watching how we play in the big away games. Not expecting gung ho all out attack but at least show some intent.
Would be nice to have a few shots on target, never mind a goal... his plan when chasing seems to be stand everyone in a line and launch it in
So it still all Pogba and Pereira's fault?
Agreed. We need to play 3 in the middle and I think those 3 should be Matic, Pogba and Mata.
Fellaini for Pogba, Carrick for Matic and Mkhi for Mata.
Herrera for me is just not good enough.
We started the game well and our tactics in the first half was good imo, but what happened in second half was pretty poor. We didn't look up to it at all after the break and never looked like scoring during the second half.
We'll get better after the international break with the injured players return but we need to change some things in our formations and tactics as well. For the start we should never see Herrera and Mikhi playing again as our main offensive midfielders partnership.
We'll get better after the international break with the injured players return but we need to change some things in our formations and tactics as well. For the start we should never see Herrera and Mikhi playing again as our main offensive midfielders partnership.
Okay, great. Let's keep playing #10s instead of solidifying midfield with three bodies and hope that one of Mkhi, Mata or Lingard suddenly transforms into Zidane mixed with Iniesta.
At the moment we really dont, but that is largely to blame to Mourinho. Teams play far better football with lesser material, in his set up, players like Miki and Herrera have completely gone to shit, that is partially his doing. But still indeed, the side is very unbalanced.
It's the players faults, always their faults
What a wanker you are
Go cry about your club not winning or playing the way you want.
You're unable to have a discussion without throwing insults, which says all about yourself.
Unlike yourself I love and am a fan of the club and having a manager that after spending 400 million can't get us playing anything other than mindless ball hoofing, hurts me.
This is very true. I don't mind going into big games with the pragmatic approach of not committing completely to attack, but still going for the win and having a Plan B for if the opposition take the lead.
The problem with us right now is that we seem to exclusively be going for draws in big games, and have feck all idea as to what we should if/when we fall behind.
We got away with a point at Anfield...but then currently Liverpool look like a team who're going to finish 5th/6th. They're incredibly weak in defence, and playing for a point there was a lot more frustrating than it will be when we inevitably take the same approach away to City.
He's basically Sean Dyche with a much bigger budget.
Yeah good post.
1. You started with the insults.
2. So now you are a better supporter than me? By dealing that card you have just lost. Thank you.
Unless he poopoos the season completely, he should definitely get another year. I'll be satisfied with a top 4 finish. But he himself needs a good run of wins until the new year now - if not, the media will have a field day with noises of "unhappiness in the dressing room" and "fans' unrest".
I mean, just take a look at the average league position post- Ferguson.
Doesn't matter how much Mourinho spends, it's not going to get fixed after one season.
I genuinely disagree with this. Just because we can't outplay the top sides it does not mean we don't play better than most. We play better than 4/5ths of the Premier League. In the games where our limitations might be exposed we should be, to quote the man himself 'humble', and just keep it tight. We didn't do that today. We should have played 4-3-3 with a low block. Instead we played 3-4-3 with a high back line that Chelsea ran in behind of a lot, and exposed massively by outnumbering us in the centre of midfield. Mourinho's the manager, that's on him, but I think he buckled to pressure and went for it when he should've said boo to a goose, kept it tight until 80 minutes and set out to nick it late.
He can piss off when his contract ends, sick of watching how we play in the big away games. Not expecting gung ho all out attack but at least show some intent.
Would be nice to have a few shots on target, never mind a goal... his plan when chasing seems to be stand everyone in a line and launch it in
You don't think we showed any intent
a) when game started
b) After we went 1-0 down with 3 subs?
Tactics seemed fine to me, but our player's as wasn't as competitive as Chelsea today, esp in midfield where we missed Pogba, but they had Kante and Fabregas.
That was the difference in the end.
Games against Benitez are always so I'm guessing we'll try to grind out a draw vs Newcastle too.
It is, I can stomach his football if we are winning, but losing and doing so in a pathetic manner is unacceptable.
Looking at the way City attack and we do today in back to back matches, is like watching title contenders compared to relegation battlers.
people won't listen to reason and fact, no matter how you explain it.
Ffs just realised, we aren't even in a position to throw cl qualification so we can focus on Europa & cheer everyone up ...
what was pathetic about how we lost today?
1. Who started again?
2. You're having an argument with yourself here, I merely stated that I'm a fan of the club and your a fan of Mourinho more then the club itself.
I'm not José's biggest fan or the brand of football we are playing but people need to get a grip wanting him to be sacked. The team is improving and we aren't in the worst position in the world in the league and breezed the CL group stage.
1. And you took it upon yourself to reply to that. It was directed at the "room" and not you personally.
2. You are presumptuous and wrong. I am not a bigger fan of Mourinho than the club. I've supported the club since probably before you jerked off for the first time.
Only scored one goal away to the top six since he arrived. That's beyond bad.
Things are starting to have a familiar stink to them. Perhaps he can turn it around but it feels like deja vu.
1 goal in his last 11 games away against the top 6, absolutely shite.
Yeah, I agree. I just hope that he's not going the way of George Graham - almost unbeatable tactically in his glory days, turned into a negative, tactical dinosaur (with cup successes) just a few years later.
Which was also another main worry I had about Mourinho. His style of setting up a team well defensively and relying on individual brilliance from attackers wouldn't work in these days and age where plenty of teams have resources and quality all over the pitch.
Those stunts mostly work against fodders but against quality opponents the players need the help of the proper system set up by their manager.
I'm just hoping that next time when United decide to appoint a manager, they should look for one on the up not a fading one relying on past reputation. This reluctance to hire a young, promising manager with bold ideas and ideology would end up fecking us in the arse when most of our rivals reached stages where their bold managers philosophies have started working and ripping teams apart.
Mourinho can’t win the league on his second season and his favourite play style. Why should he stays on third season which he always fail?
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