Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[fellaini's barber]

You piss and moan about Mourinho (who you think isn't doing a good enough job) and praise Pochettino (who you think is performing admirably). It's hardly stretching it to discern who you prefer.

Yep, with the resources available to both I think that sums up my thoughts nicely on both of them at the moment. Its really weird how defensive you guys get with Jose as I don't recall even talking much about Poch or saying I prefer him. All season I've been hearing about how Mou can't compete with Pep because of City's spending yet when I ask why we aren't as far ahead of clubs we outspend the conversation goes off into weird tangents.

 

[Ekkie Thump]

So the answer to Listar's question was a flat "yes" rather than the internet bluster you actually responded with.

 

[edgar allan]

It's called being happy - Thanks for spoiling good joy! A fellow fan. If you can't feckin celebrate on a United forum, then I'm seriously considering if this is a place I want to spent my energy on.

Now if that comment has spoiled your joy then your happiness is indeed very brittle.

I think it is possible to celebrate our win yesterday fully without believing or proclaiming that Jose is now the special one.

 

[FILF]

Now if that comment has spoiled your joy then your happiness is indeed very brittle.

I think it is possible to celebrate our win yesterday fully without believing or proclaiming that Jose is now the special one.

People assume that you have to be fed from the spoon to be full. People can be fans of United without being fans of Jose mourinihp - it doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they are not. Ask Bobby Charlton what he thinks & I'm sure he still has a lose stomach of Jose's 3rd season here.

Being fair to Jose; he deserves a 3rd season - however that doesn't mean that he as a manager does not need to improve a lot next year & he cannot push blame on his squad or lack off it because:
A) he has greatly under utilised the players at his disposal
B) reverted back to his traditional Jose methods, tactics & way of understanding rather than adapting towards the United way
C) made questionable decisions in big games, made defensive decisions in easier ones
D) lack of a longer term outlook as how we as a club should play our football no matter who we have on the pitch

He as a manager has to improve & since he hasn't acclimatised to the United way - his 3rd season seems really like an all or nothing season before it has even started. His blames games have already started happening in his second season; so we have to wait & see if it comes to fruit in his 3rd season as it usually does end up happening.

Some fans have high expectations under Jose whilst some have much lower ones - it isn't about pro Jose or anti Jose at all. For example whilst the fans with high expectations under Jose is willing to sell half the squad to buy 'Jose players'; the fans with lower expectations feel that some of those players sold are an indication of Jose's managerial weaknesses & can be utilised by other managers. And no this is not purely about martial.

 

[Sky1981]

That is my issue, there is nothing to suggest anyone will be here much much longer than he has at any of his previous clubs, and his most comfortable style of play is not compatible with United (or shouldn't be anyway), hence the fan unrest in what could be a decent season on paper.

If he comes in next season, makes a concerted effort to make us more watchable, can get results on the back of it, and can show he has longevity then I'd be in, but it's a big if.

Tbf though come what may he has stabilised us, and will hopefully leave a very decent squad for whoever comes in after him.

Fix that for you

 

[Kapardin]

If we win FA Cup beating Spurs and Chelsea, that coupled with our Top 6 game record in the league is a serious feather in Jose's cap. Very very impressive.

 

[The United]

Did we win the FA cup yesterday?

We have a chance to win a good trophy this season and we should be happy. Given his final record, we have a good chance in final and he should get another season at least anyway.
And, it is a bit of minimal expectation for the manager to win one like that this season.

But, it is funny how these people call out the other side for overreacting to certain match results by exactly overreacting on one we have not won yet.

 

[breakout67]

If we win FA Cup beating Spurs and Chelsea, that coupled with our Top 6 game record in the league is a serious feather in Jose's cap. Very very impressive.

All those people talking about 'Jose's approach to big games is outdated' have now moved on to 'Jose's approach is not entertaining'.

Instead of admitting they were wrong, and accepting that the manager has it in him to get the players prepared for big games, they shift the goal posts and act as if they never said anything about big games.

He's not a perfect manager, will probably have a meltdown eventually, but that doesn't mean you mug him off. He's not a clueless clown like some people try to paint him as.

 

[edgar allan]

We have a chance to win a good trophy this season and we should be happy. Given his final record, we have a good chance in final and he should get another season at least anyway.
And, it is a bit of minimal expectation for the manager to win one like that this season.

But, it is funny how these people call out the other side for overreacting to certain match results by exactly overreacting on one we have not won yet.

I agree with that. It's all about winning.
Win the Cup final and it's a successful season, lose and I guess it must be considered a disappointing year based on the fortune spent?

 

[adexkola]

The way this poll shifts on a game-by-game basis is embarrassing.

Aye. Don't understand the need for polls if they shift with the times. IIRC it got really bad after the Sevilla game which is just kneejerking.

Regardless of what happened at various points of the season, you'd be blind to not see how far we've come along. Still room for improvement, but Jose clearly deserves to try to make that happen.

 

[edgar allan]

All those people talking about 'Jose's approach to big games is outdated' have now moved on to 'Jose's approach is not entertaining'.

Instead of admitting they were wrong, and accepting that the manager has it in him to get the players prepared for big games, they shift the goal posts and act as if they never said anything about big games.

He's not a perfect manager, will probably have a meltdown eventually, but that doesn't mean you mug him off. He's not a clueless clown like some people try to paint him as.

We have improved as the season is ending but I would argue that the approach in the big games earlier in the season was wrong and we let City run away with the league.
Sevilla was a big game and again our tactics were completely wrong over both legs.
Win the Cup and all the cowardly defensive tactics of parts of the season will certainly be overlooked.

 

[Swift Football]

The way this poll shifts on a game-by-game basis is embarrassing.

I thought it was fairly stable from a long time. Just minor swings here and there. Would be interesting to see it in line graph against major events though.

 

[Swift Football]

Agree. What really annoys me is that since that win by Sevilla, they have not won a single game. 4 draws and 4 losses in 8 games. We got everything wrong in that game and gifted them the win. If we had played anywhere close to the form we have showed against the top 6 teams, we would have won comfortably.

How could you forget Sevilla have bigger "heritage" than us. Jose was so happy it was not embarassing loss for us, he manged to lose just 2-1 and not some 4-0 , given their european heritage is far bigger than ours.

 

[Handsome Devil]

I thought it was fairly stable from a long time. Just minor swings here and there. Would be interesting to see it in line graph against major events though.

Maybe we just need a whine-o-meter instead. It would self destruct on the Martial threads however.

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

 

[SirAF]

 

[VancouverUtdFan]

I LOOOOOVE THIS GAME !

 

[SirAF]

I LOOOOOVE THIS GAME !

That’s a bloody good picture, to be fair.

 

[haram]

All those people talking about 'Jose's approach to big games is outdated' have now moved on to 'Jose's approach is not entertaining'.

Instead of admitting they were wrong, and accepting that the manager has it in him to get the players prepared for big games, they shift the goal posts and act as if they never said anything about big games.

He's not a perfect manager, will probably have a meltdown eventually, but that doesn't mean you mug him off. He's not a clueless clown like some people try to paint him as.

Also, for all the talk about ‘entertainment’, people are lying if they say they did not enjoy the wins against the top clubs this season. Beyond this we will get better and probably become even more convincing bext year. City and Liverpool wins were fantastic, whatever way people try to spin it. It’s not an accident that we are beating these teams either.

I should add de Gea had very little to do against Spurs and Liverpool. We played well.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It's sickening to me that despite this, this place and many United fans can't wait for Jose to leave.

It's like these people have completely forgotten the 3 seasons that proceeded the man.

• Two trophies and CL football in first season.
• Second place and FA Cup final in second season.
• Massive increase in goals scored, games won and points.
• Huge wins recently against Chelsea, City, Liverpool & Spurs.
• Some cracking top 6 games in there too, throughly enjoyable by anyone's standards. Add to that the likes of the C. Palace away comeback.


Yet despite this, people are moaning about the manager every fecking day. I seriously wonder what more he has to do?

 

[AR87]

Also, for all the talk about ‘entertainment’, people are lying if they say they did not enjoy the wins against the top clubs this season. Beyond this we will get better and probably become even more convincing bext year. City and Liverpool wins were fantastic, whatever way people try to spin it. It’s not an accident that we are beating these teams either.

I should add de Gea had very little to do against Spurs and Liverpool. We played well.

Also I didn't think we were exactly negative in our approach yesterday even before Tottenham's opener. We only really sat deep in the last 20 minutes and even then we carved out better chances on the counter than Spurs.

 

[deafepl]

If Jose beat Arsenal and Chelsea in FA cup final, he'll have the best record against top 6 sides this season, followed by Pep Guardiola.

 

[breakout67]

Also, for all the talk about ‘entertainment’, people are lying if they say they did not enjoy the wins against the top clubs this season. Beyond this we will get better and probably become even more convincing bext year. City and Liverpool wins were fantastic, whatever way people try to spin it. It’s not an accident that we are beating these teams either.

I should add de Gea had very little to do against Spurs and Liverpool. We played well.

I think the issue comes with how certain fans view the game. I was entertained by both of those games. But there are some that want us to dominate the game, have 70% possession, make 1000 passes, win 7-0.

I enjoy the emotional ride of football, and it was why I didn't go to any games in the 2nd half of 15/16. It was very predictable.

We are no longer the whipping boys of the league, we have many elite level players, we are never out of the game. I think the biggest thing Mourinho has done is bring back the feeling that we are a top club again. You can call it a winning mentality if you like. Being angry at getting knocked out against Sevilla is a good thing because we got there in the first place, being angry at getting 80 points but not winning the league is a good thing as well.

 

[Treble]

The wins vs City and Spurs have made the season very good in my book. I expect a win vs Chelsea too.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I’m still 100% certain that the poll at the top would be 85% in favour of Jose if he had come in as an up and coming Manager from the Continent and not directly from one of our biggest rivals

I’d give him a 9.5/10 so far, only disappointment was the Sevilla game imo

It would have been 100% if anyone thought we would play moderately exciting football under him. It is nothing to do with him coming from a rival. His results are really good, it's just his style of play is garbage and will stay that way.

 

[Giggsyking]

You realise we can't just replace all starting XI players in 2 transfer windows, right?

well he did buy two central backs for 70 m but they barley played this year

 

[Tom Van Persie]

well he did buy two central backs for 70 m but they barley played this year

Lindelof is still very young and inexperienced. It was clear at the start of the season that Mourinho never viewed him as an instant starter. Bailly has been injured a lot this season and is a young player himself. Give them time.

 

[Hercules]

You forgot the unforgivable sin of losing against Sevilla!!! And across two legs!!! Was our most important match of the season!!!! SAF never lost against any team lower than 3rd place in any league!!!!

Are you sure? Any league? Bilbao beat us in the EL for one instance.

Also, if you see my other posts here, I've been saying that Sevilla defeat was all one Jose but anyone can make mistakes. Is that loss that bad that he should be sacked? I see progress in our results and performances. First let him win the league, then ask for entertaining football. The mess we were in, you cannot fix everything at the same time.

It was his first year the last season and he achieved his target. Win trophies and get back to the CL. This year he has beaten Top 6 teams and a chance to win another trophy and about to have our best league position since SAF. If this isn't progress then what is? If we win the league next season, I'd start demanding better football from 2019/20. You got to have the patience.

 

[Lentwood]

It would have been 100% if anyone thought we would play moderately exciting football under him. It is nothing to do with him coming from a rival. His results are really good, it's just his style of play is garbage and will stay that way.

I agree it's not that exciting but given the mess we've been in surely it's unfair to expect an big upturn in results and brilliant slick passing football in two seasons. Ultimately we needed someone to oversee major surgery not just tweaking, if in 4-5yrs time we are still playing drab, dross, defensive football AND not winning major honours I might have a problem

 

[Hercules]

Lindelof is still very young and inexperienced. It was clear at the start of the season that Mourinho never viewed him as an instant starter. Bailly has been injured a lot this season and is a young player himself. Give them time.

According to this place, if you go by recent trends, De Gea should have been binned after the 1st half of his 1st season. Ronaldo would have let go as well as he was 1 trick pony. You need to give players a season to adapt. He is not playing as he is still not ready, I'm sure he'll be gone if he doesn't step up next season.

 

[Swift Football]

If Jose beat Arsenal and Chelsea in FA cup final, he'll have the best record against top 6 sides this season, followed by Pep Guardiola.

Lets throw 200M at the FA to create a league with only top 6 teams in it, so that we can actually win the league.

Lindelof is still very young and inexperienced. It was clear at the start of the season that Mourinho never viewed him as an instant starter. Bailly has been injured a lot this season and is a young player himself. Give them time.

So, Jose spent (wasted) some 35/40M for a player who is not going to start and on many cases, not even going to make the bench! ONly thing that was clear at the start of the season was that Lindelof signing was a massive mistake. Not sure why you think he is going to be world beater in 2-3 years. That guy has literally nothing. PL forwards can hold the ball against him and turn him whenever they want.

 

[Don Alfredo]

Are you sure? Any league? Bilbao beat us in the EL for one instance.

Also, if you see my other posts here, I've been saying that Sevilla defeat was all one Jose but anyone can make mistakes. Is that loss that bad that he should be sacked? I see progress in our results and performances. First let him win the league, then ask for entertaining football. The mess we were in, you cannot fix everything at the same time.

It was his first year the last season and he achieved his target. Win trophies and get back to the CL. This year he has beaten Top 6 teams and a chance to win another trophy and about to have our best league position since SAF. If this isn't progress then what is? If we win the league next season, I'd start demanding better football from 2019/20. You got to have the patience.

He could not have made it possibly any clearer that it is irony on his behalf. I mean, 14 exclamation marks in 4 sentences

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Lets throw 200M at the FA to create a league with only top 6 teams in it, so that we can actually win the league.


So, Jose spent (wasted) some 35/40M for a player who is not going to start and on many cases, not even going to make the bench! ONly thing that was clear at the start of the season was that Lindelof signing was a massive mistake. Not sure why you think he is going to be world beater in 2-3 years. That guy has literally nothing. PL forwards can hold the ball against him and turn him whenever they want.

Whats your point?

As for Lindelof, he hasnt yet hit the heights we expect of him so Smalling and Jones start ahead of him as Mourinho prefers them. As you'll only start 2 CBs in a game, what more can Mourinho do?

 

[Hercules]

He could not have made it possibly any clearer that it is irony on his behalf. I mean, 14 exclamation marks in 4 sentences

True that.

People need to be patient with this team, too bad some aren't.

 

[RedPed]

True that.

People need to be patient with this team, too bad some aren't.

Bordering on the pathetic to be fair. We'll finish 2nd and win the FA Cup and that will still not be enough for the morons on here who expect us to win the league and CL every season and call it a disaster if we don't.

 

[whatwha]

It's sickening to me that despite this, this place and many United fans can't wait for Jose to leave.

It's like these people have completely forgotten the 3 seasons that proceeded the man.

• Two trophies and CL football in first season.
• Second place and FA Cup final in second season.
• Massive increase in goals scored, games won and points.
• Huge wins recently against Chelsea, City, Liverpool & Spurs.
• Some cracking top 6 games in there too, throughly enjoyable by anyone's standards. Add to that the likes of the C. Palace away comeback.


Yet despite this, people are moaning about the manager every fecking day. I seriously wonder what more he has to do?

"Sickening" that people have opinions that differ from your own. How horrid. Poor you.

 

[Swift Football]

Whats your point?

As for Lindelof, he hasnt yet hit the heights we expect of him so Smalling and Jones start ahead of him as Mourinho prefers them. As you'll only start 2 CBs in a game, what more can Mourinho do?

That it is meaningless how we did against one or a few select rivals over a season. What matters is how we did as a whole against everybody. Our issue has been to win the games like Newcastle and Huddersfield.

Mourinho can 'Not' waste some 35-40M for a bench warmer for a starter.

 

[ash_86]

I'm looking at the Juventus squad playing Napoli today . Here are the ages of their starting 11

Buffon - 40
Benatia- 31
Chiellini- 33
Khedira- 31
Pjanic- 28
Matuidi - 31
Costa - 27
Higuain - 30
dybala - 24

With such an experienced team, they constantly get into SF/Finals of champions league and generally do very well in Serie A. Why do we want our manager to play a young squad and be patient with youngsters who makes mistakes in decision making? Isn't that the job of the midtable club to foster the kids and showcase them? Looking at this sheet, i see no issues with Jose bringing on someone as experienced as Alexis or Perisic. If longevity of the manager is the problem, then im sure fans of a top club like Juventus must have the same worry.

 

[altodevil]

"Sickening" that people have opinions that differ from your own. How horrid. Poor you.

Yeah sickening is the wrong word. Retarded probably more appropriate.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]