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13/14 7th and nowhere in cups. Cl quarters
14/15 4th and nowhere in cups.
15/16 5th and FA Cup win. Champions league group stage.
16/17 6th, League cup win, Europa league win.
17/18 2nd and FA Cup win, last 16 champions league. (Far from a certainty but if we finish strongly why not)

If things turn out this way, there is just no argument against progress being made. Before factoring in points totals and progress such as our longest ever unbeaten home run. In two seasons, from where we were, we’re all sickened not to be closer to title, but in the real world were on a good trajectory.

Combined with beating the big teams, old Trafford not looking like free points for game raising teams. The Sevilla defeat has completely skewed things, as bad as it was.
 
13/14 7th and nowhere in cups. Cl quarters
14/15 4th and nowhere in cups.
15/16 5th and FA Cup win. Champions league group stage.
16/17 6th, League cup win, Europa league win.
17/18 2nd and FA Cup win, last 16 champions league. (Far from a certainty but if we finish strongly why not)

If things turn out this way, there is just no argument against progress being made. Before factoring in points totals and progress such as our longest ever unbeaten home run. In two seasons, from where we were, we’re all sickened not to be closer to title, but in the real world were on a good trajectory.

Combined with beating the big teams, old Trafford not looking like free points for game raising teams. The Sevilla defeat has completely skewed things, as bad as it was.

This.
 
13/14 7th and nowhere in cups. Cl quarters
14/15 4th and nowhere in cups.
15/16 5th and FA Cup win. Champions league group stage.
16/17 6th, League cup win, Europa league win.
17/18 2nd and FA Cup win, last 16 champions league. (Far from a certainty but if we finish strongly why not)

If things turn out this way, there is just no argument against progress being made. Before factoring in points totals and progress such as our longest ever unbeaten home run. In two seasons, from where we were, we’re all sickened not to be closer to title, but in the real world were on a good trajectory.

Combined with beating the big teams, old Trafford not looking like free points for game raising teams. The Sevilla defeat has completely skewed things, as bad as it was.
Agree. What really annoys me is that since that win by Sevilla, they have not won a single game. 4 draws and 4 losses in 8 games. We got everything wrong in that game and gifted them the win. If we had played anywhere close to the form we have showed against the top 6 teams, we would have won comfortably.
 
Lots of credit to Jose. He got it right. He now has a budding partnership going between Pogba and Sanchez, got to keep them together. The midfield three was the right decision and for all the pre-match criticism, Smalling and Jones worked a treat. Well done lads and especially well done Jose.
 
For all his faults his desire to win trophies is one of his absolute best qualities.

Third cup final in two seasons is a great achievement.
 
Changed my vote to made improvements. Before the Sevilla tie, I hadn't voted and I snapped if I'm honest. Was really only until after the international break that I'd let it go and thought I'd changed it to made improvements, but clearly not.

Still a lot of questions for me and I'm unconvinced he's the right option long term, but he's done enough and next season is make or break for me. We need to either challenge for the title or make a good effort in the CL.
 
Changed my vote to made improvements. Before the Sevilla tie, I hadn't voted and I snapped if I'm honest. Was really only until after the international break that I'd let it go and thought I'd changed it to made improvements, but clearly not.

Still a lot of questions for me and I'm unconvinced he's the right option long term,
but he's done enough and next season is make or break for me. We need to either challenge for the title or make a good effort in the CL.

That is my issue, there is nothing to suggest he will be here much much longer than he has at any of his previous clubs, and his most comfortable style of play is not compatible with United (or shouldn't be anyway), hence the fan unrest in what could be a decent season on paper.

If he comes in next season, makes a concerted effort to make us more watchable, can get results on the back of it, and can show he has longevity then I'd be in, but it's a big if.

Tbf though come what may he has stabilised us, and will hopefully leave a very decent squad for whoever comes in after him.
 
My assessment, he needs more time and money. We can argue he has been backed money wise, but he needs to be backed players in. If he wants 4 in, the club need to deliver.

He is a serial winner, may not go on to win silverware this season but being in and around Cup finals, season after season is fun.

Yes the football is dull at times, but I believe he is getting the best out of the squad available, better then any other manager could imo. Pep would be pulling his hair out, if he had to play Valencia & Young, week in and out.

He is often criticised for not getting the best out of players like Pogba, but that isn’t always on the manager. Players have to take responsibility to improve and consistently perform at the top level.

He is slowly shaping the squad into his own. He can’t come in from day one and completely overhaul the squad. He inherited a misfit of a squad and to some extent it still is. You can say his had 4 windows to address this, but it’s not that simple.

Interestingly only 4 players that started yesterday, were Mourinho signings, apart from one youth team player & one LvG signing, the rest were SAF signings (the back 5)

Hopefully he’ll continue to address the right areas. Fullbacks and RW, are in desperate need, we can all see that.

Now, I’m not his biggest fan & he completely divides opinion but this has to better than the dark days of Moyes & LvG.
 
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Agree. What really annoys me is that since that win by Sevilla, they have not won a single game. 4 draws and 4 losses in 8 games. We got everything wrong in that game and gifted them the win. If we had played anywhere close to the form we have showed against the top 6 teams, we would have won comfortably.

It was a disaster. If the away draw was unambitious it at least left us with the tie in our hands once we showed up. Nobody did. A huge failure and painful exit. So bad it is altering the perception of a good season
 
That is my issue, there is nothing to suggest he will be here much much longer than he has at any of his previous clubs, and his most comfortable style of play is not compatible with United (or shouldn't be anyway), hence the fan unrest in what could be a decent season on paper.

If he comes in next season, makes a concerted effort to make us more watchable, can get results on the back of it, and can show he has longevity then I'd be in, but it's a big if.

Tbf though come what may he has stabilised us, and will hopefully leave a very decent squad for whoever comes in after him.
Oh no, not this long term BS again. 3-4 years is as long term as it get's nowadays.
 
Our manager supposed to be the best manager choosing defenders in the market. But looking at our back 5 yesterday, they all go back to SAF era. It is not acceptable at all. He signed 2 center backs for 70m, one of them on the bench and the other is not even on the bench.
 
Our manager supposed to be the best manager choosing defenders in the market. But looking at our back 5 yesterday, they all go back to SAF era. It is not acceptable at all. He signed 2 center backs for 70m, one of them on the bench and the other is not even on the bench.

To be fair...Bailey was injured right?

Also, those five did a pretty good job yesterday! Having said that, yes the defence needs looking at this summer for sure.
 
Our manager supposed to be the best manager choosing defenders in the market. But looking at our back 5 yesterday, they all go back to SAF era. It is not acceptable at all. He signed 2 center backs for 70m, one of them on the bench and the other is not even on the bench.
I bet you voted option 3 "sack him", didn't you? :lol:
 
Our manager supposed to be the best manager choosing defenders in the market. But looking at our back 5 yesterday, they all go back to SAF era. It is not acceptable at all. He signed 2 center backs for 70m, one of them on the bench and the other is not even on the bench.

The defence he picked was absolutely top class yesterday.

Let’s see where Bailey and Lindelof are in 5 years time rather than heap criticism on Mourinho when ones injured and one isn’t quite first choice yet which is completely acceptable taking into consideration his age and the learning curve season he’s had, showing steady improvement.
 
Well let's wait and see if Pool win the CL or finish ahead of us before concluding that we're 'ahead' of them. As for Spurs I'm not sure but this will be the first time we'll be finishing ahead of them since Fergie left? Despite outspending both of them every season. Same way City have been spending long before Pep came around yet other teams including us still beat them to the title were better than them in Europe. No one ever said money was not an excuse, we started this conversation because Jose defenders like yourself keep pushing this notion that we're so far behind City because Pep spent more which is bullshit because using that logic we should be 20 points ahead of Pool and Spurs which we aren't. Pool are in the CL semis playing better football and are only 4 points behind us. If we can't compete with Pep because of their spending then Liverpool and Spurs shouldn't be competing with us, at all. What makes the notion even more bizzare is that our spending is much closer to City's than Spurs or Pool's spending to us. Really stop with the senseless smileys it makes me feel like I'm talking to a child
Still think poch better mourinho are we? So much for poch attacking football :lol:
 
Oh no, not this long term BS again. 3-4 years is as long term as it get's nowadays.

Yeah, so I'd rather we didn't play this style if there's no real plan to evolve out of it with him, which there can't be if he does his usual & goes in his usual timeframe.

I have no massive issue with him staying, and hopefully he'll buy well this summer & not sell any of top players, but right or wrong I already have an eye on the next guy who hopefully move our style forwards.
 
Still think poch better mourinho are we? So much for poch attacking football :lol:

Gone through that post looking for where I said that, maybe you could help out. Don't bother, talking to you is a waste of time so I guess I'll just reply you with green smileys from now on
 
Oh no, not this long term BS again. 3-4 years is as long term as it get's nowadays.

100% this.

This idea that we'll get ourselves a new SAF plagues a lot of people's minds on this forum. They have to face reality, long term managers don't exist anymore for top clubs. The best clubs have a structure behind the scenes that sees through managerial appointments that last 3-5 years.

Mourinho will either get sacked or finish off his contract and leave. There is a small chance he gets another 1 year extension but him staying for 10+ years is not gonna happen.
 
To be fair...Bailey was injured right?

Also, those five did a pretty good job yesterday! Having said that, yes the defence needs looking at this summer for sure.

I don’t think so. I think he was just dropped.

Bailly is nowhere near as good as this place makes out. It looks like Jose thinks the same.
 
Not sure why people are mocking the skeptics as though the vast majority of skeptics wouldn't absolutely love to be wrong about Jose.

Swings in the poll show that people are willing to change their opinions based on new evidence from each game, instead of having an agenda. Don't know why it's a bad thing. it's not like Jose suddenly jumped from a 40% to an 80% approval rating based on one game, and then plummets another 40% the next game.

Well done to Jose. A few one-off games are too small a sample size to eradicate people's concerns, but the signs are encouraging. Continue on this upward trend and opinions will well and truly turn. (and keep Martial and Pogba too)
 
He has done a good job on making us a contender again but I have and will always think that he is a terrible fit with United. The football in my opinion is still a long way from where it should be, the amount of long balls we just hoof to Lukaku is not becoming of a team that aspires to be great again.
If we are not close for the league title next season I would like to seem him replaced at the end of next year.
 
STILL FECKING SPECIAL ISNT HE?

This forum in general should take a serious look at the task and pressure Jose's been given and how he's building a team of winners. Patience is a lost word nowadays, but he still very much knows what he is doing. Time to get fully behind him as fans
Did we win the FA cup yesterday?
 
I bet you voted option 3 "sack him", didn't you? :lol:
Is it that important to you to know what option I chose?
The Point here our manager should reconstruct the defense, Two years in Mourinho's reign and we still play Sir Alex players. He should fix this in the summer.
 
100% this.

This idea that we'll get ourselves a new SAF plagues a lot of people's minds on this forum. They have to face reality, long term managers don't exist anymore for top clubs. The best clubs have a structure behind the scenes that sees through managerial appointments that last 3-5 years.

Mourinho will either get sacked or finish off his contract and leave. There is a small chance he gets another 1 year extension but him staying for 10+ years is not gonna happen.

Well if you actually listen to some SAF interviews after retiring, he’s still pleading for (very) long termism, so in that regard I think it’s not that weird that people think we should keep trying to implement it.

Personally I could see Mourinho staying for another five years if we have a excellent results in the next two years. If we have a setback in performances again the pressure by impatient people is probably forcing him out, based on how ridiculous the reactions and media pressure have been on us this season.

You’re kind of right that ‘long term managers’ don’t exist ”anymore” for top clubs though. At the same time, when in the last 20 or 30 have they existed, other than at United and maybe Arsenal?

Ultimately I also don’t really see better suited or more talented coaches coming available to join us in the next years.
 
Well if you actually listen to some SAF interviews after retiring, he’s still pleading for (very) long termism, so in that regard I think it’s not that weird that people think we should keep trying to implement it.

Personally I could see Mourinho staying for another five years if we have a excellent results in the next two years. If we have a setback in performances again the pressure by impatient people is probably forcing him out, based on how ridiculous the reactions and media pressure have been on us this season.

You’re kind of right that ‘long term managers’ don’t exist ”anymore” for top clubs though. At the same time, when in the last 20 or 30 have they existed, other than at United and maybe Arsenal?

Ultimately I also don’t really see better suited or more talented coaches coming available to join us in the next years.

SAF and Wenger are relics of the past, and only SAF was a successful long term manager for our standards.

I think modern players don't deal with authoritative figures very well; due to them being stars in their own right and having big egos. So they need a new approach every 4-5 years to keep them engaged. Modern managers also struggle to motivate players long term due to the increasing intensity of their management. There's a limit to how much you can instill the same tactics into a player.

I don't see any manager with the ability like SAF to be so adaptive in his approach. He could play any way he wanted to, you didn't need to hire a new manager because SAF would get a new coach in and learn a new way to manage.
 
Is it that important to you to know what option I chose?
The Point here our manager should reconstruct the defense, Two years in Mourinho's reign and we still play Sir Alex players. He should fix this in the summer.
What’s the problem with playing Sir Alex players if they are performing?

In the two years you mention Mourinho had to reconstruct the Middle field, add attackers and he still managed to add two defenders.

The defence was the least of our problems and Mourinho did the right thing on focusing on crucial areas in the field.
 
Unlike many others, I don't expect him to change his style of play based on United's traditions. If the board wanted that, they shouldn't have hired Mourinho. We need to let him do what he does best. Quite frankly, I enjoyed our performances against Liverpool, Spurs and the second half vs City. We do get games like West Brom and Sevilla in between which is really frustrating. But those are exceptions not the norm. Back him in the transfer market again and I can see us challenging for the title next season.
 
Is it that important to you to know what option I chose?
The Point here our manager should reconstruct the defense, Two years in Mourinho's reign and we still play Sir Alex players. He should fix this in the summer.
You realise we can't just replace all starting XI players in 2 transfer windows, right?
 
I’m still 100% certain that the poll at the top would be 85% in favour of Jose if he had come in as an up and coming Manager from the Continent and not directly from one of our biggest rivals

I’d give him a 9.5/10 so far, only disappointment was the Sevilla game imo
 
If you had no clue about the results and just saw the comments on Caf, you'd think we are having a Moyes season. State of the supporters.

Lemme say it:

Win 2 trophies in 1st season - other teams were crap, we don't win against top teams.

2nd position against one of the best PL sides - oh we lost against them at home.

Lose against top 6 teams - if you are going to be defensive, atleast get the results.

Win against Top 6 teams - we want entertainment.

What. Fecking. What?
You forgot the unforgivable sin of losing against Sevilla!!! And across two legs!!! Was our most important match of the season!!!! SAF never lost against any team lower than 3rd place in any league!!!!
 
Did someone take a dump on your breakfast today?

Cheer up, we're moving forward and progressing - beating a lot of top 6 teams which is a great sign
Delighted with the win yesterday, I was replying to your premature celebrations on our cup win .
 
Delighted with the win yesterday, I was replying to your premature celebrations on our cup win .

It's called being happy - Thanks for spoiling good joy! A fellow fan. If you can't feckin celebrate on a United forum, then I'm seriously considering if this is a place I want to spent my energy on.
 
It's called being happy - Thanks for spoiling good joy! A fellow fan. If you can't feckin celebrate on a United forum, then I'm seriously considering if this is a place I want to spent my energy on.
Positivity and happiness is not allowed here but it's okay, everyone makes mistakes. Now go create a "Jose out" thread to make up for it.
 
Gone through that post looking for where I said that, maybe you could help out.

You piss and moan about Mourinho (who you think isn't doing a good enough job) and praise Pochettino (who you think is performing admirably). It's hardly stretching it to discern who you prefer.
 
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