I'd start looking for a new manager now. It's clear he's not getting the best out of his players and that some will leave or be sold if he stays. He's done well to steady the side but we aren't winning the league or Champions League with him in charge. It's quite clear that attacking football is required for that and he's a handbrake for any side in that regard.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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We used to laugh (and still do) at the likes of Firminho, Henderson, Milner,
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I'm a bit confused as to why it's this result that's making some of his usual felchers angry, when they seemed just fine with letting Sevilla slide.
At least Jose isn’t defending the players this week and rightfully so.
I don't want to go too overboard with criticism but I think he got it wrong today. We didn't need Matic today, Herrera and Pogba would have been enough. One of Lingard, Martial, Lingard should have started, Sanchez and Mata together kept it too narrow and were too ponderous in possession. Mata should have been dragged at half time. The subs didn't really impact the game at all.
It's worrying that this isn't the first time I have seen us be so listless and bland, it's not good enough. I really want to like Mourinho but every time he gives me a reason to back him, he finds a way to make me question him again. He has done well to take us as far as he has but I am not sure how much further this man can take us.
It's worrying that this isn't the first time I have seen us be so listless and bland, it's not good enough. I really want to like Mourinho but every time he gives me a reason to back him, he finds a way to make me question him again. He has done well to take us as far as he has but I am not sure how much further this man can take us.
Yep. Say what you want about Van Gaal, it was boring as feck but he had a very clear system and plan with the types of players he wanted and the direction he wanted to turn us into. He was awful in the transfer market, but he was training them into a system. And tbf, our squad was pretty shit at the end of his season but he had us in a relatively respectable position compared to the players we had (and won a trophy..). What I'm trying to say is that even if people disagreed with the system, it was a clear system and he pretty much never wavered from it and it got through to the players and they knew what they were doing. Mourinho just puts them on the pitch and hopes they're arsed and get a lucky breakthrough.
That and he walked into Chelsea and got them the title with a squad that was frankly comparable to ours. That was his last big career triumph imo. Its like hiring Arsene Wenger in 2013 for what he did in 2002.
Who do you suggest we get in? It is all well and good saying he needs to be sacked, but suggestions are needed. And we are not Real Madrid, where all the best players dream of playing, along with revolving door not working for this club in the last 5 years. What suggests it will work with the next manager?
Please. Hopefully several.
I don't think anyone has let Sevilla slide, it's just that the Derby game naively instilled abit of optimism again, only for us to come back crashing down to earth after losing against the bottom club.
Ya I’m done. I already was after the Sevilla game but I guess the City result turned my head a bit. In reality that second half was circumstantial and only came about as were losing and threw caution to the wind.
I think he'll surely survive the summer based on result which is still pretty good. But I think next season is make it or brake it as in winning the title or CL or getting the sack.
Well, that's my point. I'm not calling for someone proven, I'm calling for someone who will take risks and embodies attacking intent and creativity.
I agree that the more important thing is just getting rid of Jose to begin with, and going on from there.
But I also have a suspicion that the Glazers really like Mourinho because he is predictable and won't take risks, as having someone in who's more unproven would rock the ship too much and damage the brand - like Moyes managed to do in just one season.
Though it's pointless discussing this really. Mourinho has already signed an extension on top of next season, so we're definitely stuck with him for one more year.
All the talk about his football style, I think what we see now mostly could be his football style though which might not suit with what some of us want being United fans.
I thought he was doing much better at least result wise lately and we lost this team at OT. Our team is pretty odd just like the manager nowadays.
Anyway, I would give him another season regardless of what happens from now to the end of this season.
I want to see if he has a problem with motivating his players or it is just our players lost it this season due to City running away with the title since very early.
Good to see there are some of us still.
Saying all that I'd give him one more season tops.
Agreed. We will probably keep him but next year is make or break in terms of league or CL.
There's too much that we need to improve on. At least with other clubs like Liverpool & Klopp, City and Pep they were following a model and improving. Our style of play is as predictable as it ever has been. I just don't see Jose being the guy capable of challenging for the title in future seasons with the way things are going.
Who let Sevilla slide? Everyone was very vocal about hating on Mourinho since the Sevilla game until the City turn around, where people couldn't be so vocal because of a big win but I doubt many would have changed their opinions long term. Everyone still knows what Mourinho is and how he won't change.
“ we deserved to lose”
“ we were the masters of complications”
“ players taking extra touches, trying flicks and skill”
“ still labouring from last weeks victory”
Hard to argue with his opinion of the players mentality today.
“ we were the masters of complications”
“ players taking extra touches, trying flicks and skill”
“ still labouring from last weeks victory”
Hard to argue with his opinion of the players mentality today.
Agreed. Safe to say this version we have of Mourinho certainly isn't the one that was in charge of Chelsea (the first time), Porto and Inter.
I think it’s a bit of both.
The players are ridiculously shit. They do not have the drive & hunger to keep winning sequentially. After about 5 victories in a row, they must drop the performance against whoever they are facing. It could be Bristol FC or Wigan.
This is surely an excuse for a clearout. United are carrying a lot of passengers and we only win these passengers raise their game. In their default mode, majority of them are not good enough.
I’d only keep De Gea & Bailly in that defence. The rest should be sold to the Turkish league. United need replacements for Carrick, Matic, Mata & Martial.
This summer is going to be interesting to say the least. Stupid WC just messes things up.
My biggest problem with him is like his predecessors post SAF, there really doesn't seem to be an entirely coherent gameplan.
The overarching 'philosophy' is there - deep block, low press, let the opponent make mistakes and break... But I don't think he has ever made the signings to complement his own style. There is no out-and-out typical winger; we're not sure if we really play either a 4231 or a 433 etc. Sure, he pushed for Perisic who is very much in his mould, but once we were outpriced he didn't look elsewhere. And then this January market he signed Sanchez, who we clearly have no position for. He's sort of, just there, and the game plan seems to be us hoping he or a few others bail us out.
Not sure there will be major cohesion in our transfer window this summer too.
The overarching 'philosophy' is there - deep block, low press, let the opponent make mistakes and break... But I don't think he has ever made the signings to complement his own style. There is no out-and-out typical winger; we're not sure if we really play either a 4231 or a 433 etc. Sure, he pushed for Perisic who is very much in his mould, but once we were outpriced he didn't look elsewhere. And then this January market he signed Sanchez, who we clearly have no position for. He's sort of, just there, and the game plan seems to be us hoping he or a few others bail us out.
Not sure there will be major cohesion in our transfer window this summer too.
Alright we get it. You think our players are pub-team level.
I always felt that Van Gaal did better with kids because they were more malleable and willing to listen to his (very rigid) instructions. Players like ADM, Schneiderlin(sp), Rooney(?) hated it because they had their own ideas of how the football was to be played.
Conversely, Jose needs developed, mature players because he doesn't give them adequate instructions, particularly when it comes to attacking. I don't think he dislikes young players like Martial, I think he's just unable to work with them effectively.
It has to be. We can't keep giving him hundreds of million every summer for us to carry on playing this bad. Can see our fan base at OT turning on him at midpoint into the season of things don't change.
Good to see there are some of us still.
Saying all that I'd give him one more season tops.
People are nuts, mate
A proper title challenge is, of course, required next season.
Agree. Next season is make or break and he'll need to use this summer properly. A close title challenge is a must.
Summer and beginning of next season will say a lot. In the summer we need to get right additions, 2 or 3 FBs, 2 CMs, a RW.
And we need to start the season strong. Hopefully there wont be some kind of meltdown.
fecker. I praised the twat the other day due to our positive reaction from the Sevilla debacle. And then we play even worse than that night... silly me.
Look, I've exhausted my thoughts on Mourinho. I don't think this is working, I don't think it will going forward and I think our football has been shite for what is approaching eighteen months. Today was just another poor performance in the long line of many.
We'll recover mind you. We'll probably beat Spurs in the FA Cup - which will reignite the larger Mourinho debate. But for me, I just think he's all cooked up.
Look, I've exhausted my thoughts on Mourinho. I don't think this is working, I don't think it will going forward and I think our football has been shite for what is approaching eighteen months. Today was just another poor performance in the long line of many.
We'll recover mind you. We'll probably beat Spurs in the FA Cup - which will reignite the larger Mourinho debate. But for me, I just think he's all cooked up.
I love our team. Sanchez, Pogba, martial, rashford, lukaku, Lingard , mata all individually brilliant likeable players and I get behind them every game. It’s just frustrating when they perform like today.
I once read a quote that said 'for Mourinho, football without his father is not football.'
I'm a Mourinho advocate, but even I'm wondering whether Mourinho still has the fire within him that has made him such a successful manager.
I'm a Mourinho advocate, but even I'm wondering whether Mourinho still has the fire within him that has made him such a successful manager.
We are not an efficient counter attacking team, that is the problem. It looks like the manager himself doesn't know how to get the team to play the way he wants.
Mourinho teams have never been a team to play fancy football, but they will cut you open if you commit numbers forward. Our counter attacks have been slow and ponderous for multiple months.
I would not be surprised one bit, if we shithouse our way to winning the FA cup. He's stubborn like that.
Mourinho teams have never been a team to play fancy football, but they will cut you open if you commit numbers forward. Our counter attacks have been slow and ponderous for multiple months.
I would not be surprised one bit, if we shithouse our way to winning the FA cup. He's stubborn like that.
Always feels like one step forward, two steps back. There doesn't seem to be any concerted progression towards a more appealing/effective style of play and it all boils down to having better individuals who can pull a rabbit out of the hat instead of making the whole greater than the sum of its parts.
Concisely summed up. That's United in a nutshell
We won't win the league with him as manager.
Quote me.
Quote me.
Nice to know I’m always on your mind. Maybe I should @ you the next time we win a big game.
He needs to wake the feck up. Games like today are unacettable
I'm quoting you because I feel the same.
Mou bottled it today. I’m struggling to find any other way of describing it. 0-0 against the team bottom of the league with plenty of time remaining and he pulls Herrera at half time and then Pogba shortly thereafter, with no central midfielders coming on. I always feel a sign of poor management is a manager who just throws more forwards at a situation in a desperate attempt to generate goals. That’s the kind of shit that is drummed out of you in your early teens playing Football Manager. I felt sorry for Rashford and Martial being thrown into that mess with no structure and no midfield behind them.
Equally though Mou needs to be address the full back areas. How Valencia got 90 minutes today was a joke. He was utterly bereft of confidence to attack. West Brom showed him inside every time. In the end both Matic and Sanchez were noticably ignoring him because he could do nothing even when he got into a promising position. Only Mata kept feeding him balls wide but he only put in one or two good crosses all day. Why Young was sacrificed and not him, I do not know. I’d like to see Young right and Shaw left.
Equally though Mou needs to be address the full back areas. How Valencia got 90 minutes today was a joke. He was utterly bereft of confidence to attack. West Brom showed him inside every time. In the end both Matic and Sanchez were noticably ignoring him because he could do nothing even when he got into a promising position. Only Mata kept feeding him balls wide but he only put in one or two good crosses all day. Why Young was sacrificed and not him, I do not know. I’d like to see Young right and Shaw left.
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