Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Woodenlung]

He has to be credited to for settling the side. I know we won the FA Cup under LvG but we were going nowhere under him. We're a better side in general than we were a few years ago and have won a few trophies and big games to boot.

However, the football isn't good enough and at times we've been utterly embarrassed by average sides. Mourinho's been given hundreds of millions of pounds to build a squad to challenge City and we've gotten nowhere near them. He has all the players he wanted but doesn't know how to use them. Pogba's poor form is just as much down to the manger not knowing how to use him as it is to the player now not looking arsed. Sanchez doesn't know where he's playing either.

 

[Son Of Sam]

He’s inherited a bunch of clueless bottlers. Everyone was lauding his team selection 2hrs ago and now you’re all calling him anti-football and he must go. This place and some of it’s members are so fickle and clueless! The players should be taking responsibility for today not Jose.

Nobody blames the players on RedCafe. Everyone has a player he worships. I watched players who earn multi-million pounds in wages play like college kids.

Valencia can’t get past a man. Mata has no place in this team anymore. Matic is in a slumber. Lukaku can’t finish to save lives. Pogba is the most frustrating player in the universe. He would rather take the difficult option than the easier one.

 

[Ban]

Which would be correct to do.

Are you still on the train mate?

 

[BigdaftGorby]

Changed my vote, this performance was the final straw.
I’m not upset just tired of watching the same old shit.

 

[AndyJ1985]

This display was unforgivable, along with the Sevilla result.

I've backed him for most of the season, but today it was clear that he's lost the hunger he had when he managed Chelsea in his first spell.

He's not a United manager, sadly.

Well, he is the United manager, sadly.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

The difference between him and Pep is pretty stark. Jose has lost his mojo.

Genuinely don't think we would've been worse off under Poch, LvG, or Rafa over the past two years.

LvG would have been better with this squad if he could have kept the camp happy. Under him we just didn't have the level of talent to make his system work.

 

[Brigred]

Goodbye Jose but you’re yesterday’s man.

 

[Raoul]

R

Your laughable. Pep had the best team already and spent more then anyone in the league. He hasn't done anything significant, he's not a genius.

No one would do better with this team than Mourinho.

Keep repeating that to yourself. Jose has had the same amount of money to spend over same period of time and has produced a 6th and 2nd place finish. He didn't exactly inherit Stoke City either. We had the likes of Mata, De Gea, Martial, Rashford, and others already here. Finishing 6th and a distant 2nd whilst boring the masses to death is simply not good enough.

 

[Florida Man]

Officially in the Mourinho out camp. Where’s my welcome pack, guys?

Joking aside, this feeling’s been brewing for a while. It was all but confirmed while 2-0 down at City but the comeback made me think “maybe we have something here”. But no, it was an outlier. Results and stats wise, we’re not so bad, really. But this “football” is godawful. We really need to get in touch our attacking ethos and move beyond Mourinho. This isn’t like the fierce Mourinho teams of 04-06.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Sack him sack him sack him sack him.

Seriously. I feel like Mourinho has absolutely no bearing on our comebacks. Last week in the 2nd half was probably purely on the players deciding to do their own thing and go all out for the shirt, not for Mourinho. How we start every game shows how Mourinho tells them to play. We never start off games well. Always shit or lucky bounces to put us through.

The sooner Mourinho leaves, the sooner we can all be optimistic about us again. Yeah, it's another managerial change, but we aren't getting anywhere with Mourinho. He'll leave us a better squad then the one he took over, but we can start looking forward to our performances instead of this soul destroyingly boring football we see every week.

I'm on the same page with you entirely. My only concern is that who's out there as a viable option to replace him?

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Up against a team who play deep and compact and we have our front three holding hands. Doesn't make sense, but that's how Jose likes it.

Like I said before, I don't mind one winger cutting in, but two just makes it too narrow. Stretching play and keeping the width beat teams who play narrow. Not only that, but gives our centre midfielders more room to play within.

Having said that, with better full backs, we probably do better.

 

[Rash Decision]

He's back!

The halves this season where we've looked like we know how to play football have been less numerous than the converse.

I will say though, not sure what he could do about yet another 'typical' match from some of our players:
Sanchez: Takes 5 touches when 1 would have done
Smalling: Believes it's illegal to play a ball in front of a teammate
Matic: Utterly, utterly useless past the half way line. Good in his own box, like the assist.
Lingard: Did all the running, none of the football
Young: A 32 year old winger playing at full back, who for some reason refuses to cross
Pogba: Likes to do the tricky things, doesn't do any of the important things
Mata: Would be a great footballer if he was a bit bigger, a bit faster and a bit stronger. But he isn't.

Wouldn't you say that, given these things are 'typical' of our players, it's probably something to do with our training instead?

The only worry is, if we sack him then who do we hire who is better? Also if he gets sacked for potentially 'winning the FA Cup' and finishing 2nd then when do we start to become another trigger happy club like Chelsea and Real Madrid?

I don't think that's the worry. He won't be sacked on the back of this season because his results have been objectively good.

 

[Treble]

I think it's actually the opposite. We are game raisers, with an inferiority complex. Struggle to impose ourselves against smaller teams, but against top teams we can put in world class performances.

20 min against City do not make a world class peformance. Not a single game vs a top team this season was world class form start to finish. At best there were 2 or 3 world class halfs of football: the second half vs Chelsea home and City away, and the first half vs Liverpool home. That's about it.

 

[Roboc7]

I don’t see as getting much better under Mourinho, think there is too much work to do and his playing style can’t compensate.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

I am sorry but he's just a shit manager. Our team has absolutely no face or style. I don't wanna compare but I'll do that. When you look at Liverpool or City, you can see that the player know exactly what to do working their socks 90 minutes, doesn't matter which players they play, they all know what to play. There is no United way anymore, this is totally horrendous to watch. I can understand we can lose when a player make a mistake but you never see a top team do anything (NOTHING) like this, and manager should take 100% responsibility. He even fecks up the first substitution, Herrera seem one of the few to have a good bite and hunger to maintain the tempo in the team but he rather lets his darling Matic to finish the game, because he's tall, how about he barely moves? reminds me of Sweinsteigger in his limited time here.

Why is Matic untouchable? he's been shocking past two games and average at best last few months. I also don't understand why Mata has to play so many games, He's 30 and it's almost a nothing game, why do you want to be too pragmatic here José? Just send a youngster or any hungry player like Rashford from the beginning.

There is so many mistakes Mourinho makes that I really wonder if he lost it all, he's just grumpy not talking figurine these days making one of the most exciting teams in the history of football play like fecking shit like today. I don't really care about result but this is unaccaptable, also those matchgoing fans should never get a ticket again. I understand it is shit but in my hometown team, there is a support and chanting 90 minutes. Everything is wrong no matter how many points we got this year, it is really a pointless, since we win feck all this year. I could tolerate SAF's playing some total boring football at times but at least we were winning but it is time to play well and win. With Mou we simply get neither.

So let's suffer for another long season but make the most of it and use Mourinho's name to get some good players and replace him at the end

 

[Donnie Brasco]

Keep repeating that to yourself. Jose has had the same amount of money to spend over same period of time and has produced a 6th and 2nd place finish. He didn't exactly inherit Stoke City either. We had the likes of Mata, De Gea, Martial, Rashford, and others already here. Finishing 6th and a distant 2nd whilst boring the masses to death is simply not good enough.

Are you Ollie Holt?
Guardiola has spent almost 200 million more than us, plus he inherited Aguero, De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva all far better players than any player we had. The only one worth too inherite is De Gea. Mata nothing special. Rashford and Martial shouldn't be starting for this club.
He inherited a shite team with midtable players.

 

[Kaos]

We're never going to play the way we all want under him, irrespective of the players we recruit.

The trouble is we pull off a good win against top 6 opposition and suddenly we're all Team Mourinho, only for us to inevitably produce a display like that.

I really hope we don't hang on to him much longer since I can feasibly see him sell off our most exciting younger talents to make room for players that fit his tumescent style.

 

[Axkiko]

We got Sanchez, Lingard, Martial, Rashford and Mata and we keep playing long ball on last 20 minutes. How on earth can we score a header from them?

 

[Minimalist]

It's been said a lot but I understood what LvG was doing - boring as it was.

I have no idea what Mourinho is doing.

 

[Irrational.]

Well, he is the United manager, sadly.

Yep, it's depressing.

He's gone from charismatic, innovative attacking manager to grumpy old man. This was a performance reminiscent of LvG.

I don't think I could trust him with another transfer window.

 

[Luke1995]

We lost to one of the worst team in premier league history. It’s as bad as anything LVG or Moyes achieved.

Might just put Carrick as caretaker manager until the end of the season and give Jose a forced license to reflect about himself and come back better in the summer... lol

 

[ravi2]

This display was unforgivable, along with the Sevilla result.

I've backed him for most of the season, but today it was clear that he's lost the hunger he had when he managed Chelsea in his first spell.

He's not a United manager, sadly.

It's extremely concerning that he cannot motivate the players regularly.
One of his greatest strengths as the bond he had with his players and the winning mentality he installed in them.
I think something happend during his Madrid spell and hes lost something.

Having said that I'm not sure who is available who can replace him.
I backed him until the Sevilla game but after that it was clear to me he isn't the long term future of United.

 

[RORY65]

Why do I keep seeing this clown's name? What has he actually accomplished?

Tuchel might not be the right kind of manager, as you say he hasn't won a lot and he seems to be quite difficult to get on with but I can get why the poster has included him. Our last 2 appointments have been of managers who have accomplished an awful lot but they both played boring, negative football which look completely outdated (having followed Moyes whose football was boring and outdated and hadn't accomplished anything).

I hope that when the time does come to look for a new manager, I don't think we're at that stage yet but I also don't see Mourinho being here for more than another couple of years, that we do go for one of the managers who actually coaches an attacking, fast, creative style of play (which most of us would suggest is more in keeping with the club's traditions) and aren't just so preoccupied with what trophies they won in the past.

 

[R'hllor]

Are you still on the train mate?

He never was on train, he needs to leave comfort of JM`s rectum first for that.

 

[Hugh Jass]

I still back him and would give him another year, but when the tactics are to go out and get a flukey goal and win one nil, against the worst team in the league, a team city or spurs or liverpool would hammer four nil each, you have to start questioning things.

We barely created anything of note. I could understand having 18 shots on target and then they get a flukey goal. But we did nothing. even with all the attackers on, we created nothing.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Goes with a 2 man midfield in games where we are likely to get overrun, and goes with a 3 man midfield against the team bottom of the league who were only playing for set pieces and counters.

It's like he wants to just do something the other team isn't expecting, whether it makes sense or not. Then all his substitutions have to rectify the balance of the team and the dynamic of the game, usually unsuccessfully. Case in point today, ending the game with some sort of lopsided back 3, Martial as a wing back, no midfield and three number 10s.


I just don't get him.

 

[VeevaVee]

I hope the clearout is sufficient

 

[Son Of Sam]

Up against a team who play deep and compact and we have our front three holding hands. Doesn't make sense, but that's how Jose likes it.

Like I said before, I don't mind one winger cutting in, but two just makes it too narrow. Stretching play and keeping the width beat teams who play narrow. Not only that, but gives our centre midfielders more room to play within.

Having said that, with better full backs, we probably do better.

The line up was terrible.
I don’t know what Mata was doing in the starting XI. He’s too slow & he does not stretch defences. Rashford should have started.....

Jose’s reaction after half time was what killed us eventually. He kept Mata on when he should have hooked him off. Each substitution made us worse. We had no one with the intelligence to break that West Brom side, it’s so pathetic!

 

[Jeffthered]

Ha ha. Mourinho knows the writing is on the wall. May take another season, but he cannot deal with the club, the expectations, and he cannot deal with the playing traditions of the club.

A man with a massive ego, who is still living a decade ago. Thing is, he COULD change.. but unlike SAF, he isn't prepared to change his approach to management and how his teams play.

 

[Raoul]

Are you Ollie Holt?
Guardiola has spent almost 200 million more than us, plus he inherited Aguero, De Bruyne, Sterling, Silva all far better players than any player we had. The only one worth too inherite is De Gea. Mata nothing special. Rashford and Martial shouldn't be starting for this club.
He inherited a shite team with midtable players.

Are we supposed to be impressed that Sterling was a City player ? We might as well add the likes of Herrera and Valencia to the quality Jose inherited.

Also, Jose did feck all to imrpove our FB play which has cost us dearly this year.

He's simply not good enough anymore.

 

[bosnian_red]

I'm on the same page with you entirely. My only concern is that who's out there as a viable option to replace him?

Think this is the wrong attitude to have tbh. It doesn't matter if someone is proven/not proven. You need someone who's mentality and ideology goes in line with the ethos of the club. Look at Barcelona when they hired Pep. Who was he before he was Barca manager? What about Klopp before he went to Dortmund? Pochettino had a good impact at Southampton sure, but was hardly "proven". Zidane at Madrid? Now look at Bayern, they made Niko Kovac their next manager.

None of these were fully proven before turning into top managers. You get a manager who has the right attitude and right ideas for the future of the club. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but there's no point in keeping a manager in who blatantly doesn't suit you. It's more important to cut Mourinho and move on as a club then think about "who is there to replace him?".

 

[FreakyJim]

can't wait

 

[Beachryan]

It's been said a lot but I understood what LvG was doing - boring as it was.

I have no idea what Mourinho is doing.

Exactly this. I view the very few rare moments of good football as akin to a broken clock being right twice a day.

 

[Stretfordender]

Times up for Mourinho, he’s had the money and the platform to take united back to the top but the dross that is being served up week in week out is embarrassing. We aren’t winning any major honours under Mourinho and all I can see it City and even Liverpool dominating the EPL for the next 5-10 years..

 

[Pogue Mahone]

20 min against City do not make a world class peformance. Not a single game vs a top team this season was world class form start to finish. At best there were 2 or 3 world class halfs of football: the second half vs Chelsea home and City away, and the first half vs Liverpool home. That's about it.

Chelsea have been made look bang average by a load of teams this season so a good half against them is nothing to be proud of.

Which leaves us with two halfs of football where we impressed against a top team. And considerably more minutes of football in which we were dominated by everyone else in the top six. Including fecking Arsenal. Which is piss poor, all things considered.

 

[Irrational.]

Are we supposed to be impressed that Sterling was a City player ? We might as well add the likes of Herrera and Valencia to the quality Jose inherited.

Also, Jose did feck all to imrpove our FB play which has cost us dearly this year.

He's simply not good enough anymore.

This is it in a nutshell. The Jose of a decade ago would've won us title after title.

Now he is just a grumpy, burnt out, outdated dinosaur with no adventure.

That Madrid spell destroyed him.

 

[witchtrials]

He’s inherited a bunch of clueless bottlers. Everyone was lauding his team selection 2hrs ago and now you’re all calling him anti-football and he must go. This place and some of it’s members are so fickle and clueless! The players should be taking responsibility for today not Jose.

Nothing personal, but it's getting increasingly tiresome seeing posts of exactly this form in various threads on these boards. People are constantly claiming that everyone thought such and such a thing and so if you disagree with it now you're fickle or a hypocrite. If you criticise the selection of Sanchez someone will tell you that everyone thought it was a good signing at the time. If you criticise Mourinho's negative style of management someone will tell you that we knew what we were getting and everyone thought the appointment was a good idea at the time. Now everyone was lauding Mourinho's team selection. Sorry but this is just not true - in this case hardly anyone was saying anything about the team selection - the match day thread was a barren wasteland before kickoff. There are thousands of posters on RedCafe - if you saw some people praising the lineup then there's a good chance that they are different posters from ones complaining about Mourinho now. It's getting really irritating watching people getting called fickle for having an opinion different from one that someone else expressed in the past.

 

[AndyJ1985]

I'd love for our board to be proactive and bring in an exciting young manager with fresh ideas who can take us places and get us playing exciting and entertaining football. But I expect this will be a long drawn out affair and we'll end up imploding before Mourinho is eventually given the boot. My guesstimate on his sacking is early 2019

 

[SirAF]

Are you still on the train mate?

Of course.

 

[Axkiko]

I bet Ed Woodward will ignore this result and tell everybody United are satisfied of the derby result to keep Mourinho.