.. so we can celebrate together?
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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.. so we can celebrate together?
Young, Lingard (as good as he has been in places this season), Herrera, Mata, Martial and players who didn't feature today i.e Fellaini, Shaw, Jones. All of these would not get in any team of City, Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Real, Barca, Athletico, Juve, Bayern, PSG. So why are they getting a lot of games for Manchester United?
A lot of mediocre players need to be sold if the club is to challenge for the title next season. This and Mourinho's system need to change before we have any chance of competing with the big boys.
A lot of mediocre players need to be sold if the club is to challenge for the title next season. This and Mourinho's system need to change before we have any chance of competing with the big boys.
The first part of his interview on Sky he did actually hit the nail on the head. So props to him.
Sick to death of him. We are an absolute mess of a side under him.
If I was Woodward, I wouldn’t give him a penny more to spend until he starts getting the existing squad looking like a functioning team.
If I was Woodward, I wouldn’t give him a penny more to spend until he starts getting the existing squad looking like a functioning team.
I'm going to give him the end of this season and pre-season to fecking change something in the mentality of our players for the start of next year.
If we spend most of our games with this laissez-faire attitude again next year, he is NOT doing a good job in preparing players for the game.
If we spend most of our games with this laissez-faire attitude again next year, he is NOT doing a good job in preparing players for the game.
You are far more excited to talk to me when we lose than when we win. You’re a sad person.
You cannot counter attack effectively with shit players. How many times was Valencia in possession, pretend to attack a full back only for him to pass back to Smalling? It was about a dozen times in this game.
The players generally lack a football brain. They dwell too much in possession. They do stupid flicks when a normal pass should have sufficed, they shoot from a distance when there are better passing options.
Jose has managed some of the best full backs in Europe in his career. I don’t think it escapes him that Valencia & Young are several tiers below what is required to win the title.
Yep, pretty much.
United fans seem to mistake supporting the manager as supporting the club (understandable given that our last great manager transcended the club) because that's the only explanation for the extent of support Mourinho continues to retain.
Sevilla were classy on the ball. They were a team in the quarter final of the Champions League. Today we were beaten by the team bottom of the league. A team who had lost 8 of the last 9 Premier games coming into this, with the only other result a draw.
This result may mean less, but it's unquestionable the worst result this year in terms of expected versus actual outcome.
I had a lot of backing for Mourinho, but I think he has been given everything he wants in terms of resources and the outcome is not quite where it needs to be. 2nd is great, it's amazing progress. The highest points total since SAF retired, but as it should for the money spent.
I'd still give Mourinho one more season, he is a manager who deserves chances. He has earned the right for chances. Even he says it himself, some forget what he has achieved.
The only reason I wouldn't give Mourinho a chance is if behind the scenes we are hearing a lot of noise about Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Pogba all getting frustrated and considering leaving. That's a lot of young, quality talent that could go to waste. Pogba in some ways I wouldn't be disappointed to see go if we could replace with someone less complicated, as Mourinho called it today.
I just don't want the chances for Mourinho to cost us in the long-run, but we are making strides forward, even if with a fair few steps back in the process. And how many managers could you confidently suggest would come in and do better? We can't just keep spending more money and replacing managers.
I'm frustrated, this result was a joke, but we do have to step back and consider where we are and what alternatives could transpire.
Look at even someone like Conte, wins title and now Chelsea look terrible. Madrid looking good in CL, but rubbish in the league. Liverpool on form for CL, but below us in the league. It's easy to be frustrated, but for all the bad with Mourinho, we are still just about ahead of a lot of the crowd. The biggest worry is we are heading into being the next Arsenal, i.e. yes Mourinho might keep getting us CL, but will he push us on to win things?
I truly believe that. Under LVG we made all teams look the same. We just didn't have the individual players that can break teams down but we were always in control. Now we have the players but no attacking system. No one can convince me that Jose works on any form of attacking system.
Have a feeling that the second 45 away at City might end up being some sort of peak on the 'Mourinho at United' landscape. It looks like it's all set up for a third season collapse, a proper meltdown.
I think a lot of it depends on Guardiola. As long as he's at City, it's going to be difficult to dethrone them. No Guardiola and Mourinho could very feasibly grind his way to a title.
The Caf doesn't disappoint.
He's spent £300m and had 2 years, he hasn't bought a single full back so he clearly hasn't seen it as a priority. He's always seemed to view it as somewhere you shove people who aren't good enough to be centre backs in his team (Gallas, Chivu, Ivanovic) or failed wingers (Coentrao, Valencia, Young) and he's never used them as a key attacking outlet in the way so many of the other modern managers do. All of his sides have had at least one very cautious, limited full back so I'm not sure why you suddenly think he's going to get two top quality ones in who will bolster our attacking play.
Essentially he's done nothing with the attacking aspect of the game and doesn't bother coaching attacking. He's literally managing that in the way an 8 year old would, spend loads of money and let them work it out for themselves and it shows in how ponderous we are in that the players have not set ideas of what they're meant to do with the ball.
I’m so so sick of this tedious shit that Mourinho needs to go. Every other week it’s the same old story. The guy has had enough money to spend and shouldn’t get another penny. I think he’s doing this on purpose now to ruin us. I seriously don’t care about last years trophy haul, it got us nowhere anyway. How can the board not see through it. Mourinho is finished and needs to end his career now at international level.
I just ensured we passed it. Sack the arrogant, anti football, anti United twat now
Tactically, if we play with such a narrow three, then we need to compensate that by playing wide centre midfielders, who can create attacking overloads in wide areas.
Too many times when we've played a three man midfield, our wide forwards have been in the same positions as our number 8's, which is really pointless.
Too many times when we've played a three man midfield, our wide forwards have been in the same positions as our number 8's, which is really pointless.
Yep, in the same vein as the Martial FC posters we seem to have some who care more about Mourinho than Manchester United.
I agree that Valencia has been really shit for a while now. And Young is a decent attacking fullback but not at the right level.
I am fine with giving him one more season to prove himself. If he doesn't win the League or CL next season then I want him sacked.
Sadly, the truth.
Tactics and the approuch of the manager against top sides is fundamental, but losing this kind of game against weak teams has nothing to do with Mourinho, is 100% about the players.
The fans in England seems to be more loyal and i think there is less pressure over those multi-millionaire players. Apparently they play well when they want, when was hard to catch City they give up the season...maybe the fans should create a toxic environment in the club to put more pressure, like they do in Barcelona and Madrid.
The fans in England seems to be more loyal and i think there is less pressure over those multi-millionaire players. Apparently they play well when they want, when was hard to catch City they give up the season...maybe the fans should create a toxic environment in the club to put more pressure, like they do in Barcelona and Madrid.
Yep. We don't owe Mourinho shit. It's better to act quickly when the manager doesn't suit us at all and just move on. Be ruthless. Mourinho is so blatantly not suited to United yet people trip over their own words to defend him and it's embarrassing tbh. The guy doesn't build for the future and seems to be isolating some of the most promising youngsters we've had in recent years (in before people say "oh but he gave Mctominay minutes
). He doesn't play attractive football, and in fact has his teams play some of the most boring and negative football ever until they start losing and decides to go gung ho. And now, he doesn't even bring success. So why the feck is he the manager?Get rid of him before he sells our best players. feck winning the league for now, I want to see a team that plays like they haven't met each other on matchday.
I keep thinking back to when he's moaned about the crowd for not being loud enough despite serving up this dross week after week. The poor buggers are getting robbed of their money this season.
I don't think this is fair to many posters. I think a sizable number of posters genuinely believe keeping and supporting Jose is in the club's best interest (I don't agree), just like many posters genuinely believe that Martial is the most important player for the club's future (I don't agree either).
Of course there are a few, namely those who hope that Jose / Martial / whoever leaves and succeeds elsewhere because we fans "don't deserve him".
I didn't say no one was angry at all, but the reaction was "yeah it's awful but shit happens and United were never going to win the CL anyways" from his defenders. However, some of those people seem to be especially angrier at this result, which is kinda confusing to me
We are delaying our progression as a club even more then. Look at all the top teams in the world, they play attacking pro-active football. That kind of football requires years to implement. It took Guardiola a whole year to get his team used to it despite having a great squad and unlimited money.Good to see there are some of us still.
Saying all that I'd give him one more season tops.
We play defensive and reactive football. Even if Mourinho implements the best version of it here, is it really worth winning a title while being bored senseless for a whole year.
And you have fans who want us to lose in the FA cup, so he can be sacked. Just because someone doesn't have an opinion similar to yours doesn't mean they care about the club!
Nobody is going to argue with that.
With all the ‘It’s Mourinho’s fault’ shitshow going on, I’m going to provide some balance.
1) West Brom are still fighting for survival. They sat back. They have a new manager and players fighting for their future.
2) United are in second before and after this game. After the City game, there were too many players and fans (myself included), expecting an easy game here. No games are easy with that attitude.
3) Paul Pogba. Our big star. Absolute dogshite performance again. You can’t turn up for 10 minutes here and there and then jog around passing the ball to the other team for the rest of the time. Never hits the target from distance either, wastes so many attacks with a ridiculous Skied shot or a pea roller into the keepers arms.
4) Referee was abysmal. Stonewall penalty. Advantages given where there weren’t any. Nyom should have had about 8 yellow cards and a red at the bare minimum. When no decisions go your way, it’s easy for your head to drop.
5) As Jose said, there was way too much show boating and over complicating things when the simple move was the obvious choice.
1) West Brom are still fighting for survival. They sat back. They have a new manager and players fighting for their future.
2) United are in second before and after this game. After the City game, there were too many players and fans (myself included), expecting an easy game here. No games are easy with that attitude.
3) Paul Pogba. Our big star. Absolute dogshite performance again. You can’t turn up for 10 minutes here and there and then jog around passing the ball to the other team for the rest of the time. Never hits the target from distance either, wastes so many attacks with a ridiculous Skied shot or a pea roller into the keepers arms.
4) Referee was abysmal. Stonewall penalty. Advantages given where there weren’t any. Nyom should have had about 8 yellow cards and a red at the bare minimum. When no decisions go your way, it’s easy for your head to drop.
5) As Jose said, there was way too much show boating and over complicating things when the simple move was the obvious choice.
It is.
THere are few.
I'm guilty of this, I must admit. I am desperate for Mourinho to succeed at Manchester United, namely because I always envisaged that it would happen. But then we went and hired Moyes.
United would have to sink to some depths for me to call for Mourinho's head. I'm still holding out for the Jose I thought would succeed Ferguson.
But I know that's not right.If we're still in the same boat come May 2019, then change is inevitable.
again i come back to the quesgion of, if not Jose then who?
People can dteam of Pep and the football he might havd us playing, or even Kloop but who realistically could we get to replace Jose in the Summer that would provide a levelof succeds over a stable / sustained period...?
People can dteam of Pep and the football he might havd us playing, or even Kloop but who realistically could we get to replace Jose in the Summer that would provide a levelof succeds over a stable / sustained period...?
Probably just building from it and maybe eventually broke. Everyone has their breaking point. Some are early on, most was Sevilla, some it's now. For me after the Newcastle loss I saw the next 6-7 games as must wins. Must win all the league games to show we can do anything in big games, must stay in the fa cup and go through and must get past Sevilla in the CL. Any of those if we failed, I would have turned against him, and we did fail, so that was my turning point. Even before though you knew deep down there was little hope and it's just if we can luck our way to something. That's all itll ever be under Mourinho. Keeping him for another year or more is just wasting time imo.
Who was Pep before Barca took him? Who was zidane before Madrid? Who was Mourinho before he won the CL at Porto? Wrong attitude to have. Keeping a manager who doesnt suit you is wasting time. You dont need some proven world class manager. You need someone who has the right ideology and vision for the team, and one capable of being a top manager.
My original stance has not changed, the football is simply not good enough. I am not a Mourinho hater that thinks he is shit, but I am also not his fanboy that thinks he is anywhere close to being the best. There is no consistency in terms of our tactics, our team or our play. No one knows what our best 11 is, and no one knows what exactly our style of football is either. The fact that after nearly two seasons we still play like a bunch of strangers put together is just poor.
Jose has improved us in terms of points, but it also feels like this is the best that it will be under him, even if we get him new players. Its not like City are going to be idle in the transfer market, the same for other clubs as well. If we are to win the league next season, we need to expect big drop in performance from City, and a big improvement from us at the same time which looking at the football being played seems unlikely. If the fans could at least be entertained, then there would probably be more reason to be optimistic. I am not sure he fits well with the ethos of the club, the football is dull and boring and he is unlikely to change on that matter and play the football that fans want to see. He also seems to have reverted to his old habit with regards to young players. Rashford and Martial hardly play anymore, even after good performances, but the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez can be stink up the place as much as they want and their place is pretty much guaranteed.
We should be aiming for the league and CL, but that should not come at the cost of attacking football, you can have both. I know that it is impossible for any team to play great football all the time and in every game, but that should be our aim. The fans should not be going into the game expecting boring football. He has complained about the atmosphere at OT previously, but maybe he should cop on that the shit football is certainly a part of that problem.
The fact that any time he came under pressure or got some deserved criticism, he threw everyone and everything under the bus, including the very club that employs him. It is disrespectful and seems like he cares more about his own ego and reputation more than that of the club's and that is unacceptable.
This is why I want us to appoint a DOF, who actually knows about football and can make important decisions on that matter.
Jose has improved us in terms of points, but it also feels like this is the best that it will be under him, even if we get him new players. Its not like City are going to be idle in the transfer market, the same for other clubs as well. If we are to win the league next season, we need to expect big drop in performance from City, and a big improvement from us at the same time which looking at the football being played seems unlikely. If the fans could at least be entertained, then there would probably be more reason to be optimistic. I am not sure he fits well with the ethos of the club, the football is dull and boring and he is unlikely to change on that matter and play the football that fans want to see. He also seems to have reverted to his old habit with regards to young players. Rashford and Martial hardly play anymore, even after good performances, but the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez can be stink up the place as much as they want and their place is pretty much guaranteed.
We should be aiming for the league and CL, but that should not come at the cost of attacking football, you can have both. I know that it is impossible for any team to play great football all the time and in every game, but that should be our aim. The fans should not be going into the game expecting boring football. He has complained about the atmosphere at OT previously, but maybe he should cop on that the shit football is certainly a part of that problem.
The fact that any time he came under pressure or got some deserved criticism, he threw everyone and everything under the bus, including the very club that employs him. It is disrespectful and seems like he cares more about his own ego and reputation more than that of the club's and that is unacceptable.
This is why I want us to appoint a DOF, who actually knows about football and can make important decisions on that matter.
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For those asking who can replace Mourinho...
Aleggri, Jardim, Ancelotti, Conte, Sarri
There are loads of alternative to Mourinho.
Aleggri, Jardim, Ancelotti, Conte, Sarri
There are loads of alternative to Mourinho.
Mourinho set us up to deliberately play a slow laboured game to conserve energy ahead of the midweek game. He arrogantly believed that we could best West Brom by just turning up.
The players looked unmotivated and lethargic.
It is another embarrassing result that should be the wake up call that they need, but it won’t be.
The players looked unmotivated and lethargic.
It is another embarrassing result that should be the wake up call that they need, but it won’t be.
in his post match he talks about slow, predictable football
they why Jose? why after nearly 2 years is the quality of our football absolute shit for at least 45 mins in the majority of games we play in?
why is the intensity only in our game for about 30 mins a game?
simply not good enough and if he can't improve this he needs to go - Don't give a damn about our position
they why Jose? why after nearly 2 years is the quality of our football absolute shit for at least 45 mins in the majority of games we play in?
why is the intensity only in our game for about 30 mins a game?
simply not good enough and if he can't improve this he needs to go - Don't give a damn about our position
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