He’d presumably go with the exact same tactics that caused Madrid so many problems in the second half of our game against them in pre-season. What’s your point?
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He’d presumably go with the exact same tactics that caused Madrid so many problems in the second half of our game against them in pre-season. What’s your point?
Now you can't disagree with Mourinho's big game approach without having an agenda.
It's kinda ironic considering some peoples defence of Mourinho is almost RAWK-esque
Oh pre-season
? Why mention that non competitive match when we played them a week later in the supercup? If the only example of Jose deploying non defensive tactics in a big game is in pre-season since he came here then you can see what our frustration is all about.Oh pre-season
I was talking about the super-cup. That game was in pre-season. Madrid were all over us in the first half but Mourinho changed our approach after an hour and we caused them a lot of problems from that point onwards. Mind you, taking off Hererra and bringing on Fellaini was a big factor in our improvement, so he would be as big a loss in this hypothetical game against Madrid as he was against Liverpool. Similarly, Pogba was a big influence when we finally got on top of them.
Your last sentence is just drivel...
There were plenty of times Fergie went to Anfield and sat back - remember John O'Shea absolutely stealing a game up there against them? Even Rooney under LVG? If Lukaku scores that chance then we are talking about horrible to watch tactics but justified by the result there are very fine margins in this.
Fergie didn't go defensive every time though. It's fine to be overly cautious every now and again but when you do it in every away fixture vs the top 6, and only yield something like 5 points out of 24, you know there is a big problem in how the fixtures are being approached.
Middlesboro. I know that all of a sudden the caf hate possession stats, but we let boro have 64% possession, That's a joke tbf. I don't think you're doing yourself any favours bringing this up in comparison to spurs tactics away at Madrid.
Ah the Supercup, where going for a draw was not an option, plus we were behind. Of course he had to change approach, what other fecking choice did he have, sit back and defend the 2-1 loss?
The point is that performance and tactics/team selection are not necessarily related. Spurs played well against Madrid with a bunch of central defenders on the pitch, we played shite with a similar team selection. Team performance is about much more than who gets picked to play.
And the change in approach worked very well. Hence he would be likely to use it again. That cameo was the first step in Fellaini earning his place in our best XI. Fairly sure Hererra hasn’t kept him on the bench since.
It's most important that we get back to business as usual and pick up maximum points against Huddersfield, and in tonight's fixture against Benfica too if we can.
Then we have 2 massive games against Spurs and Chelsea, and that's where we'll get a better insight into all the different facets of our play against the better teams.
Then we have 2 massive games against Spurs and Chelsea, and that's where we'll get a better insight into all the different facets of our play against the better teams.
Matic, Herrera, Lukaku, Martial, Mkhi, Mata. A combined price of about £270 million.
Are saying it's impossible to give Liverpool a real game with those players?
Are saying it's impossible to give Liverpool a real game with those players?
Go away with your logic and patience. This place is all about indignation and outrage this week. Did you miss the memo?
So his most positive change in approach is the change he made when we were losing a game we still lost eventually? Amazing, sorry about everything I said, he's the most positive minded attacking manager ever, the Liverpool and S'ton games were one offs
Bore off. You stopped making sense a while back...
The narrative I see being driven is that if we attempted playing football with them we would have lost 4-0....or something
This will end in the biggest civil war in Caf history, I feel.
Jesus, just be happy to have one of the modern managerial greats for a period of time.
According to you, and your opinion doesn't mean shit to me sorry. And you never made any sense from the onset
This will end in the biggest civil war in Caf history, I feel.
Jesus, just be happy to have one of the modern managerial greats for a period of time.
No it won't, I'm done replying him
This will end in the biggest civil war in Caf history, I feel.
Jesus, just be happy to have one of the modern managerial greats for a period of time.
You say that as if we're Stoke or something.
Looking at the Moyes and LvG tenure, we could almost be them in that period. Mancester United does not have a divine right to win trophies and play in a certain way at the same time.
I’ll never take anything for granted again, and I’ll cherish every single trophy we win regardless of it being the motherfecking EFL Cup.
Salah, Firmino, Ox, Wijnaldum cost about £130m between them. Add in the £120m+ rated Coutinho. It's incredible that we managed to keep out all that attacking talent that scored 7 yesterday. See, stupid spin can go both ways.
This will end in the biggest civil war in Caf history, I feel.
Jesus, just be happy to have one of the modern managerial greats for a period of time.
If there is a civil war I'm not sure I'll be in the trenches alongside you!
I certainly don't feel happy just to have Mourinho at the club. I think he's a dick, who invariably spends huge amounts of money to win trophies and often gets his team to play a fairly grim brand of football in doing so. I'll only ever feel happy he's here when he starts showing some decent returns for the crazy spending of the last two summers.
the main reason I have adog in this fight is to push back against the ludicrous degree of impatience being shown to the man. We've only just started his second season at the club and we've been generally playing fecking well. In terms of actual trophies won his cv is remarkable and we badly need to get back on winning ways, as were slipping towards Liverpool-style mediocrity, so his appointment made a lot of sense. The way so many United fans seem to be impatient to the point of giving the impression they actively want him to fail (with all the implications that means for the club we're all supposed to support) is fecking mind-blowing. So I'm more than happy to fight that kind of war, just maybe not with the same degree of zealotry as you seem to have.
If you're going to reply to a question at least have a go at answering it.
You seem more interested in having a dig than talking about football.
Not even worth engaging with your debate since you'e not going to stop pushing your daft anti-Mourinho agenda.
For somebody who doesn't want to engage with me you don't half do a lot of engaging.
So if you don't want to answer the open to everyone question I asked don't click reply. It's dead easy.
It seems like a lot of the indignation on here has come form the defenders of Jose Mourinho.
If there's anyone here (and i'm sure there is) who's actually calling for the mans head, then obviously they're clowns who deserve to be treated with ridicule.
But i see a lot of people who's frustrated by Mourinho's record away against the big 6, and they have every right to be - his record is pretty damn appalling. Since this time last year, we've played Liverpool twice, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs. This has resulted in 1 goal scored and zero wins, which i think translates to 3 points from a possible 18. That's a pretty shocking record.
Now we've had a fantastic start to the season, scored loads of goals and have been genuinely entertaining. So some would say that some of the hyperbole regarding this one game has been a little ridiculous. But as those stats would show, this is not just one game but a general pattern that points to a sheer lack of ambition in these fixtures.
The result against Liverpool was fine, but the performance and tactics employed were not. That's where a lot of the chagrin comes from.
Obviously some perspective is needed, as the man only won the title two years ago. But a lot of the criticism is fair and valid and not merely people being "spoilt brats".
If there's anyone here (and i'm sure there is) who's actually calling for the mans head, then obviously they're clowns who deserve to be treated with ridicule.
But i see a lot of people who's frustrated by Mourinho's record away against the big 6, and they have every right to be - his record is pretty damn appalling. Since this time last year, we've played Liverpool twice, Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs. This has resulted in 1 goal scored and zero wins, which i think translates to 3 points from a possible 18. That's a pretty shocking record.
Now we've had a fantastic start to the season, scored loads of goals and have been genuinely entertaining. So some would say that some of the hyperbole regarding this one game has been a little ridiculous. But as those stats would show, this is not just one game but a general pattern that points to a sheer lack of ambition in these fixtures.
The result against Liverpool was fine, but the performance and tactics employed were not. That's where a lot of the chagrin comes from.
Obviously some perspective is needed, as the man only won the title two years ago. But a lot of the criticism is fair and valid and not merely people being "spoilt brats".
9/9 points in CL
20/24 points in EPL
Unbeaten so far this season in all competitions - 12 games
33 goals scored in 12 games
Still many think it is not good enough.
20/24 points in EPL
Unbeaten so far this season in all competitions - 12 games
33 goals scored in 12 games
Still many think it is not good enough.
This.
Less we forget the Moyes and LVG era. Especially Moyes since we won something with van gaal
I have no opinion about our approach to Liverpool game. Whatever. This is beside the point, but I long suspected that you're Jose's mouthpiece on this forum. Am I warm?
Haha. Not so soon I hope.
Don't think that's particularly a reason to be happy given United are as a big a club as Jose has managed and he's pretty lucky to be here as well after his stint at Chelsea. I don't think we have a shortage of options to be honest. Any strong up and coming manager as well would love to manage this club not to mention established ones.This will end in the biggest civil war in Caf history, I feel.
Jesus, just be happy to have one of the modern managerial greats for a period of time.
I'm happy with our start to the season. There's been some brilliant results this season and on the whole the improvement over last season is quite large (thus far). As it so happens, I was quite critical of Mourinho last season especially for the rubbish league results and finish.
And that's how I'll judge/look at Jose - on merit. I certainly won't be delighted or distraught just because we've got him. It'll be be based on the football.
Many are indeed delusional.
10/10 trigger job by José
Wasn't him the one who keeps talking about not repeating Mourinho season with Chelsea again ?
Many are indeed delusional.
10/10 trigger job by José
Conte reacting like this may show he's cracking up. I don't remember Jose mentioning any manager by name.
Terrible decision to bring on Lindelof over Blind.
Correct but Blind is not his signing eh.
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