And that too without Pogba. Could you see City getting all three points against Chelsea without KDB, I doubt.
It was influenced by Queiroz to the point that Fergie tried to distance himself from it. I think that's the point that many miss. Even if Fergie turned negative which is another argument, the fact that he was trying to disassociate himself with that tag as evidenced in his book and numerous interviews, should tell you that it was hardly something to admire and follow. The other weird thing is when people bring up his record against the top sides. It's as though the criticism towards Mourinho was about the results last year and this year whereas the majority of fans from what I can see are unhappy with the approach to those ties. For me, it's not even the performances I am criticizing. You can forgive a bad performance but turning up with the intention to just kill a game is just something entirely different.
I can only speak for myself and other fans that see it how I see it. Anyone that wants United to fail isn't really a United imho.
It's all the 'siege mentality' and self victimisation stuff. Everyone loves the underdog, or should I say the self acclaimed underdog.
You're obsessed with your little list of 10 scores from a 3 year spell. It proves nothing and it's a miniscule sample size from which to draw conclusions from, especially since you're not even taking the individual context of each game into any consideration. Stop bringing it up as if it's some sort of scientific evidence of anything.
Rinse and repeat. The reality is most of the football media and the majority of football fans (including a good portion of our own fans) hate Mourinho and of course we're United so we hardly ever catch a break in the media. Every game where we 'drop points' is over analysed.
I must admit you had me at whitehorse.
Anyway, it is about ambition for me. Porto and Inter were and are not clubs who normally expect to be among the European elites. They were and should be grateful just to be in contention, not too dissimilar to the likes of Atlético. I don't mean this in a derogatory way but that's what their finances and historical status dictate. Clubs that are not happy just competing and even winning like Real are more ambitious. They don't want to just win, they want to win with the aura and grandeur of the biggest and best clubs. Just this year, they were talking about the need to move to a more refined game so they can dominate territory and possession even against the likes of Barcelona. That tells you about how big clubs think and how (rightfully) greedy they are. When the ambition is to win AND play on the front foot, Mourinho simply does not deliver which is why I mentioned Real and Chelsea. The latter is a confusing case; they clearly act like that evidenced by Abramovic pursuit of Pep for years. Even Mourinho moaned recently about how Conte's Chelsea play and how he thought they wanted to play differently. The gist of it was that his style was not appreciated there. In short, yes Real Madrid and to a lesser extent were very greedy with him and he probably deserved more credit but it still doesn't negate the point that it was a sign that once the ambition goes from simply competing to being one of the world's very best, he is not your man.No they're not getting any free passes, they get rightly criticised. Let's not pretend that we don't hear the media constantly calling on Klopp comedic defense or Wenger past due date managing Arsenal.
Just looked at the last 3 seasons Sir Alex was in charge, that is all, as I found it strange you didn't.
Frankly some of the same guys I'm seeing vehemently defend Mourinho and deflecting any sort of criticism away from him were also just as rigorously defending the likes of Moyes and Van Gaal when they were in charge doing an awful job.
I must admit you had me at whitehorse.
I really don't know how you have to come to this convoluted conclusion. There is a reason why Jose's approach is been discussed all over the world, and that's because it's a concern many United fans, to which I'm contributing an opinion. I don't know what that has got to do with controlling a conversation.
You don't remember correctly.
I am: that in any three-season period - well, in those you two picked out, at any rate -, Fergie had at least three away wins at our rivals. Which is a lot better than Mourinho's 0 in 10.
I am not keeping track of the posters but I'll take your word for it. If that is the case, it is definitely a more respectable stance and makes more sense. I don't personally agree with it as I feel managers and players need to do something special before they reach that level where they are given the benefit of the doubt and where their misgivings are overlooked. However, as I said, I can respect the principle of it, certainly more than acting like nothing short of a cheer leading choir for someone who would like us belief that unless you kill the joy out of the game, you stand no chance winning.
