English isn't his first language, that could always been an issue when trying to convey a message.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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English isn't his first language, that could always been an issue when trying to convey a message.
Okay. Though I am curious how do you define outplayed. You probably think Barcelona did not outplay us at Wembley in 2011. You seem to have a very different definition than the rest of the world.
Of course they out played us. There are no metrics you could possibly use to say they didn't.
Barcelona beat us 3-1 with 19 shots on goal compared to our 4. 12 on target to our 1. They wiped the floor with us.
Man City were gifted two fecking goals, how on earth did they outplay us in game where we literally assisted both their goals? Also, they had 14 shots to our 8, 7 on target to our 5. Sorry, but that isn't outplaying. If Man City outplayed us, what have they done to other teams?
Uh, yes it is.
Barcelona beat us 3-1 with 19 shots on goal compared to our 4. 12 on target to our 1. They wiped the floor with us.
Man City were gifted two fecking goals, how on earth did they outplay us in game where we literally assisted both their goals? Also, they had 14 shots to our 8, 7 on target to our 5. Sorry, but that isn't outplaying. If Man City outplayed us, what have they done to other teams?
Even if we were 10 points better off this season we wouldn't be in the position to get 100 points tally this season due to various reasons.
+ Unbalanced squad
+ Midfield imbalance
+Lack of playmakers
+ Poor injury record to which has been a constant problem over the years.
What man city has done this season is to raise the bar like never before, Yes we have been poor in many games but if we see our points tally at the end of the season we could well finish with 85 or plus points tally this season which will still be a title-winning points tally in any other season which is not too bad.
If you compare our midfield to any other in top 6 bar arsenal they all have better energy and balance than us and still the points tally which we will finish at is decent. If we add better playmakers and balance to out midfield and fullbacks we are fully capable of getting to that bar next season provided we have a perfect transfer window and the rebuilding should be more or less considered to be done so that we don't have to put an unbalanced lineup in big matches where actually the media judges the team.
Like I said, I don't agree. Lets leave it there.
But you literally agreed in your posts. You said Barca having more shots than us showed how they wiped the floor with us but discounted City having more shots than us (albeit not as many more, but still more) as being valid for them outplaying us. You can disagree all you want but that makes no sense.
Of course they outplayed us. That their goals came from mistakes does not change that. Just like Sevilla outplayed us at their own place despite failing to take any of their chances.
Barcelona beat us 3-1 with 19 shots on goal compared to our 4. 12 on target to our 1. They wiped the floor with us.
Man City were gifted two fecking goals, how on earth did they outplay us in game where we literally assisted both their goals? Also, they had 14 shots to our 8, 7 on target to our 5. Sorry, but that isn't outplaying. If Man City outplayed us, what have they done to other teams?
City outplayed other teams even more.
I bet he also believes we outplayed Liverpool and Chelsea.
My worry is the direction he sees this team going, and his failure to get the best out of some of the most talented players on our roster. His tactics for me most of the season is not designed to turn us into a big game team that’s problem one, don’t forget he failed to win the CL with a vastly superior squad with Chelsea 2004-06, Real Madrid 2010-13, so when people say if we don’t win this and that and his failure to get more out of some outstanding players, then people are asking miracles.
If I’m a board member of this club, and he’s falling out or not getting more out of quality players who we have put allot of investment in with players age 22 and 23, and we linked with much older players to replace the current ones that is a huge concern. Jose’s track record on how long he stays at clubs is also something the board need to consider before even losing players like Shaw, martial, pogba, we lose these kind of players I be looking at this boardroom and considering, what are they doing? Jose could sell some of these players save an even terrible season, and look what we left with? A manager failing to coach a squad to the standards this club should be at, so it’s a big 2 Years ahead with this club, especially when you see where KDB etc etc went onto achieve after he left Chelsea
Barcelona had 19 shots to our 4. That's a massive difference. 12 shots on target to our 1 - again huge.
The difference between us and City was marginal. In fact, a difference of only 2 shots on target.
I don't want to argue this because our fan base doesn't want to see anything positive (not that the City game was), but I just don't think we were outplayed and I could add more here but I don't see the point.
Exactly my point. You've set your opinion in stone and aren't willing to change.
We've been outplayed all season...
Not all season. But City definitely did. I thought that was obvious.
By your shit logic, we outplayed Palace but it's universally agreed that we were shit for most of the game
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43193452
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43193452
Of course we outplayed Palace. Being shit by your standards and outplaying a team are not mutually exclusive.
In last 9 seasons with this points we would be leaders. It is not excuse for not being first but it is another sign that we have good progress with jose. But seems to me that all that he did last 2 years here is less important than that sevilla game.
Did Arsenal outplay us?
It isnt what many thought - https://www.redcafe.net/threads/post-match-vs-crystal-palace.437038/page-2
I'm not seeing anyone say we were outplayed by Palace there.
So outplay or be outplayed? There can be nothing else?
What point are you even trying to make here? I already said us being shit doesn't mean we didn't outplay them so no, it's not outplay Vs outplayed.
Bump.
I don't want to be that guy but honestly I feel Pogba's brilliance with two goals changed the game. As a system, I am still not convinced with what Mourinho has done with us. Even after we took the lead he went full defensive.
Anyway, if this was all down to Mourinho's plan then well done
Anyway, if this was all down to Mourinho's plan then well done
We play harder than we ever have since Ferguson. Cannot be understated.
We we're terrible but managed to pull off a miraculous comeback. GGMU.
Couldn't be happier for him. Half of our plastic fanbase want him out, I bet half the posters here aare now o bluemoon crying their eyes out.
Has done fanstastic rebuilding job so far.
No one and I mean no one not even Fergie would of done better with this squad than Jose.
Has done fanstastic rebuilding job so far.
No one and I mean no one not even Fergie would of done better with this squad than Jose.
Yeah I agree with you to some extent. But weve now beaten Chelsea, Pool and City with some brilliant performances. We have come far since the Moyes era. Mourinho haa us moving to where we want to be.
Not as terrible as your grammar though.
How were we terrible?? 20minutes doesnt make a fecking game. Shit post.
Edit: fecking awful post has me tilted.
Dreadful first half and never saw that second half coming at all. Paul Pogba playing a huge role in the comeback. Sanchez as well was instrumental.
Nothing really changed tactically from the first to the second but the improvement from the players was incredible. You have to give Mourinho credit for that - even if turns out he said bugger all at half time. Whatever he chose to do - it worked.
I'll give us one thing - we're incredibly efficient. Only 4 shots on target all match - 3 goals.
Big moment for United and Mourinho after being second best all season. No idea why we have to go from being so awful to actually competing with the best sides, not just from week to week but like today, first half to second but at least there's some fire still there in the dressing room.
Mourinho loves to spoil a party and he did it again.
Nothing really changed tactically from the first to the second but the improvement from the players was incredible. You have to give Mourinho credit for that - even if turns out he said bugger all at half time. Whatever he chose to do - it worked.
I'll give us one thing - we're incredibly efficient. Only 4 shots on target all match - 3 goals.
Big moment for United and Mourinho after being second best all season. No idea why we have to go from being so awful to actually competing with the best sides, not just from week to week but like today, first half to second but at least there's some fire still there in the dressing room.
Mourinho loves to spoil a party and he did it again.
Whatever he said to them at half time f’n well worked.
His greatest achievement at United has been bringing back the comeback. Feels like Man Utd again.
His greatest achievement at United has been bringing back the comeback. Feels like Man Utd again.
Dreadful first half and never saw that second half coming at all. Paul Pogba playing a huge role in the comeback. Sanchez as well was instrumental.
Nothing really changed tactically from the first to the second but the improvement from the players was incredible. You have to give Mourinho credit for that - even if turns out he said bugger all at half time. Whatever he chose to do - it worked.
I'll give us one thing - we're incredibly efficient. Only 4 shots on target all match - 3 goals.
Big moment for United and Mourinho after being second best all season. No idea why we have to go from being so awful to actually competing with the best sides, not just from week to week but like today, first half to second but at least there's some fire still there in the dressing room.
Mourinho loves to spoil a party and he did it again.
We dont have a loser mentality. Thats what he has changed at this club.
Changed it at half time & got a reaction from the players.
Commentators on Dutch tv right now: it's all his fault, he's the sole reason we've completely sucked this season. Doesn't really deserve credit for today either, we turned it around regardless of his tactics. Feck off.
I'll take this man and all his supposed flaws over that bald Spanish cowardish twat with his weak ass 'mind games' every single day of the fecking week, year after year. I don't know what Mourinho said at half time, but I'd loved to have been there. The guy is a 100% winner.
Same for the fecking nonsense about his 'style' being outdated, how did Portugal win the Euro's then? How did Iceland beat England? It's hardly been great this year, that's a fair enough of an assessment. Still been a very decent season at the very least, particularly now after another party pooping special ruining the last bit of City's momentum
I'll take this man and all his supposed flaws over that bald Spanish cowardish twat with his weak ass 'mind games' every single day of the fecking week, year after year. I don't know what Mourinho said at half time, but I'd loved to have been there. The guy is a 100% winner.
Same for the fecking nonsense about his 'style' being outdated, how did Portugal win the Euro's then? How did Iceland beat England? It's hardly been great this year, that's a fair enough of an assessment. Still been a very decent season at the very least, particularly now after another party pooping special ruining the last bit of City's momentum
<3 I love u again
Big credit today, specially for that incredible 2nd half. My fundamental opinion doesn't change but not praising him today would be some kinda special bitterness
That was some half time talk, fair fecks to him.
Nice turnaround in the second half! I think when it comes to motivation and mentality Jose still has it, we turned around some matches and showed strength like a top team here and there this season, I just think the tactics/playstyle in general aren't good enough. If Jose wouldn't be that stubborn he might bring someone in who can help in that regard. Still great win that today, thumbs up to Jose and the players
To Mourinho haters, and Pep/Klopp/Poch lovers: Put your forks and knives away, we won. Now hide away until next time.
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