Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[breakout67]

Do any of you cnuts ever get bored of writing walls of text about how crap the manager of the team you support is? Bit of a worry when it gets to the point that you’re getting out the pitchforks on a night where United didn’t even play...

It's very strange, more often than not your team will not win the CL. We've gotten CL football two seasons in a row and have the FA cup to play for. Sure, we aren't entertaining but to experience the ups and downs with your team is why you support the club right?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's very strange, more often than not your team will not win the CL. We've gotten CL football two seasons in a row and have the FA cup to play for. Sure, we aren't entertaining but to experience the ups and downs with your team is why you support the club right?

We are quite shit under Mourinho tbf. And not progressing at all. I just don’t know why anyone wants to spend ages convincing anyone of these facts on nights when we didn’t even play.

 

[breakout67]

We are quite shit under Mourinho tbf. And not progressing at all. I just don’t know why anyone wants to spend ages convincing anyone of these facts on nights when we didn’t even play.

Yes we are shit on a stick football under Mourinho. But he isn't going anywhere this season, so might as well take the positives. I'd love to win the FA cup again.

We were quite shit last season as well, but I still view last season positively because we had some great highs. Cup finals are special nights for me and I cherish them whenever we win them.

 

[reddevil702]

Past 6 seasons - 12/13, 13/14, 14/15, 15/16, 16/17, 17/18 (this one). But yeah, 11/12 was a good one from Mourinho. He then went backwards in 12/13 and hasn't really been the same since. Also by saying he ultimately failed at Madrid, I meant in terms of the CL. Many Madrid fans blamed him for going out to Bayern, and with good reason, because he went pragmatic at a time when it was looking like they could hammer them and kill the tie. Also in 13/14... They finished 3rd, they were always around there, but it was pretty much always City and Liverpool looking favorites for the title. He played the role of spoiler and ending it for Liverpool more then anything.

And like I said in other posts, nobody can play great football all the time. I'm not saying we have to play great football all the time. It is important to always go with a game plan of trying to win the game though, which Mourinho definitely doesn't always do. It was always a criticism against him from many United fans before he came to United. And now that he's here, it's the same. Only now, he hasn't been successful. It's a point that many people have said. You get Mourinho to get instant success and win trophies. Not for the style of play, not to entertain fans, not to build for the future... But what happens when Mourinho doesn't get success? What do you have to defend him with? I don't see many signs on the pitch of him building a side that can turn into a top side in the near future. Many of our best players are constantly underperforming and we constantly play like a group of individuals rather then a sum greater then it's parts like Sir Alex always managed to do, and like how Pochettino, Klopp and Guardiola are all doing with their clubs this season. And at that point, why keep him?

The best thing about Mourinho's time here is that whoever takes over after him will inherit a much better squad then the one before Mourinho, so credit to him for that. But the players right now definitely aren't playing as good as they should be, and the majority of the time, Mourinho doesn't have us playing an entertaining style. It's not me glossing over other teams bad games and ignoring our good ones, you'd be very hard pressed to find people who would agree that Liverpool are not a more entertaining team then we are. Same with Spurs, and obviously City. Liverpool and Spurs are inconsistent, so it doesn't happen all the time, but they look on average more like a "team" rather then disjointed play that gets wins because of simply having better players like is often the case for us.

This for me is the biggest concern with Jose, not one of our attacking players has shown any consistency under Jose and it really just comes down to our current tactics. When you look at the Liverpool XI today, there's no question we have the better team overall but Klopp is just getting everything out of his attackers while Jose can't seem to figure it out. Now I'm not in the Jose out crowd since I still think he's our best option, but I don't see a clear plan that gives me confidence next year will be any different.

 

[Oneunited26]

There is not really much left to say, think it’s all been said. The CL disaster, the set up in terms of style of play is not good enough, even second place is not guaranteed despite we have a game in hand. All that’s left is what progress we getting next year, if it’s the same I think he will stay because he’s guaranteeing the club a top 4, it’s enough to keep the shareholders happy. When we look at some of the best sides in Europe, this kind of football I don’t see being built to win major trophy’s, it will get him the odd FA cup and Carling cup, maybe europa league if we crash out at group stages, that’s all I see Jose delivering with this kind of football

This for me is the biggest concern with Jose, not one of our attacking players has shown any consistency under Jose and it really just comes down to our current tactics. When you look at the Liverpool XI today, there's no question we have the better team overall but Klopp is just getting everything out of his attackers while Jose can't seem to figure it out. Now I'm not in the Jose out crowd since I still think he's our best option, but I don't see a clear plan that gives me confidence next year will be any different.

Jose could win fa cups, league cups, Europa league if we crash out at group stages, but with this kind of football it won’t bring home the gold. Unless he evolves, give the attacking players identity they will strike of fear of god into teams we will always come up has also rans. Working hard tracking back will always be vital for mourinho

 

[bosnian_red]

We are quite shit under Mourinho tbf. And not progressing at all. I just don’t know why anyone wants to spend ages convincing anyone of these facts on nights when we didn’t even play.

Was in the mood for a good moan tbh Fair though. Was criticizing for the sake of it.. Though it was somewhat related, thought process being kind of like it being latter stages of the CL and missing the days when we got there regularly, along with (once in a while) blowing away a big team with great football in an important game, and then realizing that it likely won't happen with Mourinho in charge... This equaled me going for a moan on here

 

[Roeindo]

Does liverpool have the better squad than us? I think not.

The way they play suit their player. Its clear that our style of play hinder our attacking talent.

 

[Womp]

We literally completely shut down Liverpool only a little ago and were convincingly the better side, could have beaten them convincingly.

 

[KingCana]

There is not really much left to say, think it’s all been said. The CL disaster, the set up in terms of style of play is not good enough, even second place is not guaranteed despite we have a game in hand. All that’s left is what progress we getting next year, if it’s the same I think he will stay because he’s guaranteeing the club a top 4, it’s enough to keep the shareholders happy. When we look at some of the best sides in Europe, this kind of football I don’t see being built to win major trophy’s, it will get him the odd FA cup and Carling cup, maybe europa league if we crash out at group stages, that’s all I see Jose delivering with this kind of football



Jose could win fa cups, league cups, Europa league if we crash out at group stages, but with this kind of football it won’t bring home the gold. Unless he evolves, give the attacking players identity they will strike of fear of god into teams we will always come up has also rans. Working hard tracking back will always be vital for mourinho

Isn't this the same reason Liverpool won today? Their players worked hard, tracked back and their attackers finished when the chances arrived. It seems to me United fans are the most hardest fans to please in the whole division. Your lot create chances every time I see them, OK, they don't always finish, which is what the issue should be here. But the way you lot sound on here you would think you barely get to the opposition half at all. I think it is very harsh.

 

[SER19]

I think last night's game should offer some perspective to people. This is the second time in 4 months Liverpool blitzed city. As fantastic as guardiola is he is not without fault. United shut down Liverpool really well twice this season taking 4 points and I'd fancy the same over two legs. Guardiola should get a lot of flack for making the same mistakes so many times

Mourinho definitely still has it when it comes to big games. Yes he messes up too but the notion he's suddenly a dinosaur with one plan is clearly silly. If anything klopp and guardiola lack a plan b. Our points total will be a big step in the right direction and he'l be another year wiser about what we need.

 

[Rash Decision]

To be fair to Jose, a major reason Liverpool have been the only PL team to enjoy success against Pep's City this season is that they've been training to play that way ever since Klopp came in. I think expecting Jose to adopt that approach for a few one-off games against the likes of City is asking to be spanked, because he simply wouldn't have had the time to drill his players sufficiently.

We played a quicker, more aggressive, and higher pressing game against Swansea, and our players looked tired and slow after 45 minutes. Doubt they'd have been able to last playing like that against City.

 

[Greck]

Isn't this the same reason Liverpool won today? Their players worked hard, tracked back and their attackers finished when the chances arrived. It seems to me United fans are the most hardest fans to please in the whole division. Your lot create chances every time I see them, OK, they don't always finish, which is what the issue should be here. But the way you lot sound on here you would think you barely get to the opposition half at all. I think it is very harsh.

There's more to Liverpool's win than tracking back and working hard, like pressing high up the pitch whereas we prefer to drop deeper and form a wall behind the ball. Perhaps one of the biggest reason they play City so well is their lightning quick exchanges cancels out City's pressing. There's rarely a ponderous phase in their attacks.

Not saying Klopp's approach is superior against everyone, but it's (relatively) superior when facing City. There was a thread titled 'how do you beat this city side?' where many called Liverpool's attacking style as being the way to play City

 

[Santoryo]

@bosnian_red, fight the good fight brother. Tired of Mourinho being excused after putting in some pathetic and cowardly displays throughout an entire season in big games.

While all our rivals are running around with proactive modern attacking managers, we're stuck here with a negative one whose best days are looking past him.

Our rivals while enjoying some champagne, attacking football we have to suffer through shit on a stuck football coupled with a manager creating internal issues with his own players. Hopefully in a year or 2 someone else is in charge, preferably a modern thinking, more attacking manager. Tired of us hiring these old dinausors with the pragmatic, defensive football.

 

[SirAF]

 

[Shark]

We literally completely shut down Liverpool only a little ago and were convincingly the better side, could have beaten them convincingly.

You’re not doing this right. Klopp is God’s gift to football and Jose is a dinosaur that’s destroying our club.

 

[Sky1981]

@bosnian_red, fight the good fight brother. Tired of Mourinho being excused after putting in some pathetic and cowardly displays throughout an entire season in big games.

While all our rivals are running around with proactive modern attacking managers, we're stuck here with a negative one whose best days are looking past him.

Our rivals while enjoying some champagne, attacking football we have to suffer through shit on a stuck football coupled with a manager creating internal issues with his own players. Hopefully in a year or 2 someone else is in charge, preferably a modern thinking, more attacking manager. Tired of us hiring these old dinausors with the pragmatic, defensive football.

Mourinho's team is 2nd, he doesn't need excuses.

Excuses is for LVG and Moyes, by all means Jose isn't perfect and far from the ideal coach, but excuses he doesn't need one. You so vehemently wanted a new attacking modern manager, what if they don't deliver trophy wise? Languishing on 4th every season, would you be complaining?

 

[Maradona10]

Liverpool attack in the first half get a lead, defend with 10 men, nullify city, klopp is a great attacking coach and what not.
Mourinho does the same to Liverpool and united are defensive, with some cnuts you cant just win.

 

[Maradona10]

Mourinho's team is 2nd, he doesn't need excuses.

Excuses is for LVG and Moyes, by all means Jose isn't perfect and far from the ideal coach, but excuses he doesn't need one. You so vehemently wanted a new attacking modern manager, what if they don't deliver trophy wise? Languishing on 4th every season, would you be complaining?

Why laugh at arsenal then? They have an attacking coach, who wins a cup or two and more often than not is in the champions league. If klopp doesnt win the Champions league it will be a trophyless season again for him. same for poch and the Fa cup.

 

[Smores]

Liverpool attack in the first half get a lead, defend with 10 men, nullify city, klopp is a great attacking coach and what not.
Mourinho does the same to Liverpool and united are defensive, with some cnuts you cant just win.

The fact so many rushed in here to moan about Jose is just them trying to justify their previous criticism of our match against Liverpool. Clearly his tactics were the right choice.

It's amazing how important it is to some that Jose receives the criticism they think he deserves, bit sad really.

 

[R o o K]

You know what I love about Mourinho? You got all these great attacking teams that according to many (pundits & fans) they have geniuses for managers, Chelsea, Liverpool or even Arsenal.

They have like 90% possession, they miss chance after chance, and then Man Utd attack, bam...goal.

Did we not humble Arsenal at the Emirates, did we not humble Liverpool at OT, did we not humble Chelsea at OT?

Playing shit and winning games, now thats genius. Imagine if we start performing.

 

[VP89]

@bosnian_red, fight the good fight brother. Tired of Mourinho being excused after putting in some pathetic and cowardly displays throughout an entire season in big games.

While all our rivals are running around with proactive modern attacking managers, we're stuck here with a negative one whose best days are looking past him.

Our rivals while enjoying some champagne, attacking football we have to suffer through shit on a stuck football coupled with a manager creating internal issues with his own players. Hopefully in a year or 2 someone else is in charge, preferably a modern thinking, more attacking manager. Tired of us hiring these old dinausors with the pragmatic, defensive football.

 

[Vinnie Peetang]

People loving Klopp's attackball after watching them blitz City 3-0 forget one thing. City plays attacking football as well and just got hammered 3-0. Why isn't anyone seeing it from this point of view? Play attacking football and when it matters most, you get pummelled. Mourinho knows his beans. Ed has not been supporting Mourinho with purchases. Once Mourinho completes his team, we will be back on the perch.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Come on guys, state the manager that you would want at the club. Give a reasoned explanation and back it up with how much the manager has won in the last few years all whilst playing swaahbuckling football every game and that doesn’t lose many if any games.

Be interesting to see the suggestions.

 

[Sky1981]

The fact so many rushed in here to moan about Jose is just them trying to justify their previous criticism of our match against Liverpool. Clearly his tactics were the right choice.

It's amazing how important it is to some that Jose receives the criticism they think he deserves, bit sad really.

As long as you win the match the winner tactic is always the better one.

Jose can't win, even if he's 2nd. Imagine if he ended up 4th this place would explode

 

[R o o K]

The fact so many rushed in here to moan about Jose is just them trying to justify their previous criticism of our match against Liverpool. Clearly his tactics were the right choice.

It's amazing how important it is to some that Jose receives the criticism they think he deserves, bit sad really.

I agree.

This anti-Mourinho brigade, will blame Jose for everything bad in this world.

But whats funny is that most of these know-it-all geniuses is that they loved LvG. Check every single thread on LVG, and you will see them one by one defending his kill-me-now football approach and being pissed off at the club for sacking him. Yet, they call Jose outdated and boring.

 

[Greck]

People loving Klopp's attackball after watching them blitz City 3-0 forget one thing. City plays attacking football as well and just got hammered 3-0. Why isn't anyone seeing it from this point of view? Play attacking football and when it matters most, you get pummelled. Mourinho knows his beans. Ed has not been supporting Mourinho with purchases. Once Mourinho completes his team, we will be back on the perch.

Because their approach is about to win them the league. Now is the wrong time to be tearing it apart. They went trophyless last season and PL supporters got to gloat about Pep not being able to do it in England

 

[VP89]

Because their approach is about to win them the league. Now is the wrong time to be tearing it apart. They went trophyless last season and PL supporters got to gloat about Pep not being able to do it in England

Pep and Mourinho had different starting points and are therefore at different stages of their transformation.

 

[edgar allan]

Pep and Mourinho had different starting points and are therefore at different stages of their transformation.

And Jose and Klopp?

 

[Raees]

People loving Klopp's attackball after watching them blitz City 3-0 forget one thing. City plays attacking football as well and just got hammered 3-0. Why isn't anyone seeing it from this point of view? Play attacking football and when it matters most, you get pummelled. Mourinho knows his beans. Ed has not been supporting Mourinho with purchases. Once Mourinho completes his team, we will be back on the perch.

Well actually City played it overly cautious in this leg and got hammered. Pep played a CB at LB and put in a extra midfielder so it was a very conservative lineup by his standards and his side were strangled by those tactical errors. He hamstrung the side.

 

[edgar allan]

The fact so many rushed in here to moan about Jose is just them trying to justify their previous criticism of our match against Liverpool. Clearly his tactics were the right choice.

It's amazing how important it is to some that Jose receives the criticism they think he deserves, bit sad really.

Same tactics as against Seville home and away and City at home, Chelsea away,.....same tactics were obviously wrong then using the same thinking.

 

[VP89]

And Jose and Klopp?

Klopp started earlier no? Also looking purely at squad quality Jose walked into quite a steaming pile of shit. Liverpool weren't much different but we had no one close to Coutinho levels and Emre fecking Can was probably superior to most/all of our midfielders.

I think Klopp has done brilliantly to bring in Salah and raise the game of Firminho etc. But he hasn't really taken Liverpool to anywhere better than where United are so I'm not sure why we should be comparing Jose to Klopp. He will likely finish 3rd this season and make semis at best in all likelihood for the Champions League. That would be his best season and I'm unsure if he can really take the team beyond there.

 

[edgar allan]

Liverpool attack in the first half get a lead, defend with 10 men, nullify city, klopp is a great attacking coach and what not.
Mourinho does the same to Liverpool and united are defensive, with some cnuts you cant just win.

Maybe a better comparison is how Liverpool played against City and the cowardly ineffective way we did.

 

[cyberman]

@edgar allan
Klopp has had an extra year than both managers and still lies below them in the table.
I understand preferring styles of play etc but to dresd that up as greater progression is too far.
Id also say our squad was in worse shape as well.

 

[edgar allan]

Klopp started earlier no? Also looking purely at squad quality Jose walked into quite a steaming pile of shit. Liverpool weren't much different but we had no one close to Coutinho levels and Emre fecking Can was probably superior to most/all of our midfielders.

I think Klopp has done brilliantly to bring in Salah and raise the game of Firminho etc. But he hasn't really taken Liverpool to anywhere better than where United are so I'm not sure why we should be comparing Jose to Klopp. He will likely finish 3rd this season and make semis at best in all likelihood for the Champions League. That would be his best season and I'm unsure if he can really take the team beyond there.

They are playing a standard of attacking football that we are nowhere near matching. To me Liverpool look like a team on the up, with a style and approach that both the players and supporters love. Thats before you look at net spend.

 

[Skills]

@edgar allan
Klopp has had an extra year than both managers and still lies below them in the table.
I understand preferring styles of play etc but to dresd that up as greater progression is too far.
Id also say our squad was in worse shape as well.

Was waiting to see when this excuse got pulled out

 

[edgar allan]

@edgar allan
Klopp has had an extra year than both managers and still lies below them in the table.
I understand preferring styles of play etc but to dresd that up as greater progression is too far.
Id also say our squad was in worse shape as well.

Yes one extra year and with far less spending power and having to cope with the sale of their world class attacking player.
Sorry but for me the job Klopp has done is far superior to where we are at. A few league points ahead means little.

 

[VP89]

They are playing a standard of attacking football that we are nowhere near matching. To me Liverpool look like a team on the up, with a style and approach that both the players and supporters love. Thats before you look at net spend.

So what? They don't have great balance nor consistency. I'd rather our pragmatic approach and finish higher in the league in all honesty. Sure we got Sevilla wrong but that match is not a reflection of how Jose approaches most big games (if it were he wouldn't have the trophies he's won).

Rewind to the Palace game and Liverpool looked tumescent again. They will always flatter to deceive in the big games and matches against City because it plays into their hands.

 

[VP89]

Yes one extra year and with far less spending power and having to cope with the sale of their world class attacking player.
Sorry but for me the job Klopp has done is far superior to where we are at. A few league points ahead means little.

It doesn't mean little. We're above them in the league and have 2 cups to date whilst they have none. If they were so much better than us, at a level we are "nowhere close to matching" as you say, this wouldn't be the case.

 

[Kag]

Performances like Liverpool's last night is why Mourinho (and his rabid defenders) don't have much of a leg to stand on. Football is so much more than names on the team sheet (I'm looking at the let's sign Dybala and Milinkovic-Savic muppets).

Klopp's side took the game to City with a three man midfield of Milner, Henderson and Oxlade-Chamberlain. Seriously, that's their midfield three. People should bear that in mind when they argue - ludicrously - that we can't play good football because the likes of Mata, Herrera or Ashley Young are in the first team.

Mourinho will have watched how to beat City. Hopefully we try and do that with some cohesive attacking football and a pair of bollocks at the weekend. If we don't, justified criticism will likely come this way.

 

[edgar allan]

So what? They don't have great balance nor consistency. I'd rather our pragmatic approach and finish higher in the league in all honesty. Sure we got Sevilla wrong but that match is not a reflection of how Jose approaches most big games (if it were he wouldn't have the trophies he's won).

Rewind to the Palace game and Liverpool looked tumescent again. They will always flatter to deceive in the big games and matches against City because it plays into their hands.

Their consistency is improving all the time, they are not the soft touch they used to be.
Sorry but when you pay 100 pound for a couple of tickets I don't want tumescent or pragmatic. Yes we are hard to beat and usually adept at grinding out results but I don't see many signs of a change in style or approach that will have us playing the kind of football that would excite.