Why should he? According to some people on here 0-0 away from home is a great result.
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We didn't even play today and people are still moaning about Mourinho...
It's getting tiresome indeed
The reason we didnt play today IS because of Mourinho.
At least people moaning about Mourinho are on topic. All you do is moan about the people who moan.
By the way the reason we weren't playing today is because of Mourinho's shithouse tactics against Sevilla
Dismantling everything LVG was doing was essential for any successor, he was completely out of touch, said the other week he wanted us playing like city but then he was signing players like darmian and converting Rooney into a midfielder. Negative and cautious possession football was what LVG wanted, there was no master plan.
Love the way anyone who is pro LVG always leaves Rooney out of their line ups. Doesn’t fit the narrative of this young, vibrant team he was supposedly building.
Oh big feck get over it. You really do live up to your tag.
Yeah this is the biggest fame we've got left for me.
The FA Cup is a second-tier trophy these days, that's why Arsenal have won it three of the last four years.
The City game is our chance to put down a marker for next season and show we've actually got a strategy to compete against them - one that doesn't involve parking the bus and humping long balls towards Lukaku.
That blueprint of keeping things tight and nicking it on the counter is outdated. All CL winners since 2012 have won with a proactive style of play. The ones that were famous for defensive solidity like Atletico and Juventus have been given hammerings in recent years and they are the best at it. It just doesn't work anymore. All the top clubs left in Europe all play attacking football and try to win every game home or away. Games like the 2-2 Barcelona-Chelsea game in 2012 or the 1-0 Barcelona-.Inter game in 2010 don't happen anymore.
Get over for feck sakes. It's gone.
Haven't you heard? The best way to play in any important game, even in ones when you are clearly the superior team, is to believe you are the underdog and show the opponent so much respect and never attack them for fear of conceding. I saw Mourinho do it so it must be the right way...
Pep said in his press conference that his players would think he was mad if he changed his tactics against Liverpool. Thinly veiled swipe at Mourinho?
Games like Liverpool vs City just bum me out a bit these days. We won't ever play anywhere close to this level of attacking football in a big game under Mourinho. Never will you see us really blow away a team. With Mourinho, he scores one or 2 at best (rarely) and he'll pull back to park the bus instead of pushing on and keeping the pressure on. Hands the initiative back to the opponent and let's them play out of their rut instead of taking advantage.
Its not even just Liverpool in their big games or City all season. Spurs do the same in big games, and did it to us. We have much better players that are capable of playing attacking football and he just refuses to do it. It's why I dont think I'll ever go back to "Mourinho in", and will be relieved the day he leaves. Results are a big part, but fans dream of playing great attacking football to win things. No reason to stick with someone who you know won't ever deliver that.
Its not even just Liverpool in their big games or City all season. Spurs do the same in big games, and did it to us. We have much better players that are capable of playing attacking football and he just refuses to do it. It's why I dont think I'll ever go back to "Mourinho in", and will be relieved the day he leaves. Results are a big part, but fans dream of playing great attacking football to win things. No reason to stick with someone who you know won't ever deliver that.
We should have been 3-0 up v Liverpool at home only a few weeks ago.
Literally a Mata miss away from having this exact same 45 minutes
Literally a Mata miss away from having this exact same 45 minutes
United beat Liverpool a month ago, comfortably.
We only lost to City cos Lukaku panicked and blasted a routine clearance to the opposition.
We have beat Spurs and Chelsea and Arsenal.
You're being OTT.
Indeed if anything I'm sat here smug as anything because Liverpool have done this to City twice this season and yet couldn't score a goal against us in two games
I'm, well, staggered that someone can watch a team go to Anfield and get blown away, a Liverpool team we went unbeaten against this season, and somehow turn that in to a criticism of Mourinho. That's impressive commitment to agenda posting.
Bit different sitting back and getting a few bounces through and being clinical to fully dominating in the champions league like this..
The liverpool performance was good, but it was more just controlling without the ball and being clinical. As good as it gets for a Mourinho side. It'll never be fully outplaying the opposition.
We nearly did it against Arsenal.
We retreated into our shells after the second goal.
I can't say I'm disappointed because it was never going to happen under Mourinho.
We retreated into our shells after the second goal.
I can't say I'm disappointed because it was never going to happen under Mourinho.
Meh. I was behind him til the Sevilla shite, and then his comments after that. After that I'm done with him and unless he dramatically changes how he's been his whole career, I dont want him as manager. He's a top manager, I'm not saying otherwise. But fans want to be excited while watching their team. They want to be in the latter stages of the champions league and have memorable performances in them, not barely grinding it out against fecking Sevilla (and then losing anyway).
And yeah, I think I'm well within my right for being pissed off with him for him being 100% of the reason we got knocked out of the CL and then seeing these 2 here, and a team we are above in the league having 1 foot in the semis by playing attacking football.
Bit of a different stage...
Yeah, Utd v Liverpool is the bigger game..
The post above me wasn't only citing CL games now
That's what I mean though. Even when we start dominant, have teams teetering for a bit, Mourinho just pulls them back. Happens every single time we get an early lead. Arsenal were there to be hammered and we made it a ridiculously tough game. Liverpool were very off against us and we just let them keep possession at Old Trafford instead of still going to outplay them.
Yeah, it was never going to happen under Mourinho, but even with him I'd expect a more ballsier approach home against Sevilla after parking the bus for a 0-0 away from home.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that you criticised Mourinho's approach to big games (games we have a pretty good record in actually this season) whilst you're currently watching a team go away from home to another big club, play how you're demanding we do, and get hammered.
The timing seems incredibly bizarre.
You watching how Liverpool are setting up this half?
Yes we beat them but it's not a matter of results. Its performances. Yeah Mourinho can grind out results now and then and it shuts fans up for the time being when it happens. But it's always pretty shit performances. And that's why the criticisms will never go away, and only quiet down temporarily after some results.
We grinded out a win in a shit game vs Spurs. They completely destroyed us at Wembley. See the difference? Also Chelsea and Arsenal are awful this season. Would've been embarrassing if we didn't manage to win in those games.
We have played well this season. We went through a drop of form and confidence after we gave up the ghost on the title. However, our performances have not been always pretty s-t. You can't have scored four goals as many times as we have this season and been rubbish consistently.
How does it have nothing to do with it? We got embarrassed by Sevilla because Mourinho was too much of a pussy to go fully attacking against them. Yeah, he occasionally can grind out good results. But he'll never be without criticism at United because he doesnt entertain the fans and his results in them are pretty much the same as Pochettino or Klopp - difference being they do it while attacking dominating games while we camp out in our own half.
And what I'm saying is Liverpool, at home to a brilliant City side, were not afraid to play their own game and have hammered them so far and are deservedly winning. Mourinho, at home to an average Sevilla side, played it cautiously. On the weekend we play away to City, a game where they will almost definitely put out a weakened side with them focusing on the CL. Do you think Mourinho will go there and attack? Yeah right.
And the timing is this - liverpool and Man City are in the champions league quarter finals while playing attacking football all season. Mourinho with his pragmatism got us knocked out to Sevilla. There's no excuse for that and nothing he can do to fix how badly he fecked up.
Love how Liverpool are keeping their foot on City's neck this half.
I'm mesmerized by their refusal to change their approach from the first half
I'm mesmerized by their refusal to change their approach from the first half
We played good stuff in the first 2 months. Until we played our first tough team and Mourinho decided to park the bus. Mourinho against any tough opponent is the problem. He'll always be a reactionary coach, never building a team to make a dominant team and style. Itll always be trying to achieve success by shutting down the strengths of opponents. It's a negative approach. Especially when you're the manager of Manchester United and all our history, and when you have almost an endless amount of money to spend to build whatever you want.
Nobody can keep it up for 90 minutes, especially against a side like City. But they do it when they can and fully pushed in that first half to kill them. You know what Mourinho would have done after getting a 1-0 lead? Sat back, and allowed City to dominate possession in advanced positions. It's a huge difference switching to a more counter attacking style after going up 3-0 through dominating the game at half time, and going defensive and hoping for mistakes in the defense as your form of attacking all game.
Not to mention their main attacker got injured..
So after Liverpool (a) we haven't had a single good game? So when we beat Newcastle 4-1 that was a bad performance? How about 4-2 away at Watford? Everton away on New Year's? 3-0 against Stoke at home etc.?
Had we opened up against Liverpool would we have won like we did a month ago? Your criticism of Mourinho's tactics makes no sense to me. Not every opponent can just be outplayed.
He adapts to suit the situation and more often than not that's served us well. A lot of the bellyaching is just a hang over from the Sevilla debacle.
Buddy, Liverpool are sitting back and allowing City to keep the ball as we speak. Klopp is protecting an incredibly advantageous lead. He's not even closing the game out, its 45 minutes of this.
You're all over the place here. Look at him taking his first choice striker off
You're all over the place here. Look at him taking his first choice striker off
Nah the timing is a team that half our fanbase have been wanking over all season, playing as open as you demand we should, getting picked off and hammered, and then the team that did the hammering easing off and sitting back looking to hit them on the break in a way you're saying they/we should never do.
We were awful against Sevilla – I note by all accounts they gave Bayern a game last night and were unlucky to lose, so maybe the narrative that they're an awful team is a bit misplaced – but our record in the big games is decent this season and better than Liverpool's amusingly so perhaps holding them up as a shining example of how we should approach these games is ill advised.
The bellyaching from the Sevilla is well worth it though. Its fully deserved. It was embarrassing and entirely due to his tactics. Tactics that he uses against any tough opponent.
As for the rest... yeah, we play good stuff now and then against relegation fodder essentially. Had no idea beating Stoke 3-0 at home was worth some sort of praise. It's what should be the standard for big sides. Sure nobody can be on it every game, everyone gets off days and that's fine. Problem is that for us, our "off days" where we dont play like our usual selves are the rare good performances, while we normally are slow and grind out results.
Yes. After getting a 3-0 lead because he fully dominated the first half, and after their main outlet got injured. You cant seriously say Mourinho would ever be capable having us do something like this at this stage? Madrid fans criticized him and blamed him for getting knocked out against Bayern all those years ago for the same reason. They dominated the opening 15 minutes, got a 2-0 lead and then sat back and handed Bayern the initiative and it costed them. He does it was too much and it hasnt brought him big, impressive success in ages. Yet he hasnt changed.
How many wonderful performances do you remember from Sir Alex's last season at United? Better yet lets turn the clock back to say 2008/09, when we were European Champions and World Club Cup Champions. How many wonderful performances? Was champagne football on the menu every week or did we grind out performances more often than not?
The way you talk makes me wonder how long you've been watching Manchester United. I'm not making out that Mourinho's United plays as well as Fergie's. However, a trademark from Sir Alex's era was people saying of his teams 'the mark of champions is when they can win without playing well.' Under Sir Alex we did that lots. The defining mark of his sides was how they embodied his will to win and fought until the end when they needed to. However, we weren't blowing sides away week in week out. Even those you consider to be relegation fodder.
He won the league in 2015.
What amazing success aside from league titles has Pep's approach brought him of late? What has Klopp won with his approach at Liverpool thus far?
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