Transition from what and to what?
Aren't all teams always in some sort of transition, buying and selling players each year?
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Aren't all teams always in some sort of transition, buying and selling players each year?
Right. That means sideways or the guy closest to you where they expect to press.
‘Transition’ is just a euphemism for ‘we’re still not very good’.
That means bypass the midfield and play it long.
Considering the 2 main gripes I heard last season were the fact that we weren't top 4, and that we had an awful record against the other top 6 teams, I'd say it's considerable progress that this year that the main issue is that, despite solving these problems, we just haven't done it with enough panache.
I watch a lot of football.
You still can't explain how he can't coach his team to make it look like they have an idea what they are supposed to do, 2 seasons now and no pattern of play. He is running out of excuses but I will give him another season.
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Our home form has just magically improved then? I forgot, it’s all down to individual brilliance. How we break down teams who sit deep against us isn’t much different to how teams like Spurs do it. I acknowledge we need to counter and transition better. That doesn’t mean our play against deeper defences hasn’t improved and isn’t one of the best in the league.
If you watched a lot of football you would know the comment about mid table teams is complete garbage. If you know so much about patterns of play you would know Lingard’s and Mata’s form this year isn’t just a coincidence.
I disagree with almost everything you say. Comparing our style of play to Spurs is laughable actually.
So the points they have dropped against teams who sit deep is just something that hasn’t happened?
When teams sit deep at Old Trafford, do we break them down? Yes or no?
I'm finished talking with you as you talk rubbish.
This response tells me you just want to run away from the truth.
The truth is we are out of the Champions League because Mourinho was incapable of coaching a team to create more than 4 shots on target in 2 games versus Sevilla. Poverty.
10/10 for getting triggered.
The truth is he made some mistakes but our home form has been fantastic for a reason.
Was properly annoyed by the end of that interview.
Personally, don't get this criticism for being attacking and "entertaining". We hired Mourinho, I don't know what people expected. Those first few games in the league were as attacking as you will get and I was perfectly fine with it. Solid in the back, quick in transition, direct and effective. The first half against Liverpool also a perfect example of such way. He won't change his approach, he never did, so it's hard to expect him to do that now. You can even see that he is clearly uncomfortable being on the front foot and playing open football.
But, when you do choose such way of playing it's fair to say you need an extra level of resilience from your players or exceptional team spirit. It was a trademark of all his successful teams, so I find his criticism and going after players recently even more strange and possibly counterproductive. He needs them more than they need him to succeed in the end.
Also, he should stop with this City talk, their better structure and position since he came. Every reasonable fan knows this deep down, but it doesn't matter in the end. Work, do your own job. You're second in the league, it's a progress. Don't think that many people criticise you because of that. Talking about it, just seems that he is the one who sees it that way and has trouble to cope with it.
Looking at the statistics objectively in the Premier League this season.
We are 6th for shots ( 414 shots) then a big gap to Arsenal(475) Chelsea (485) Spurs (516) City( 525) and Liverpool(531)
We are also 6th for passing, behind all the same clubs as above.
Unbelievably, or not to anyone with a pair of eyes and a brain, we are also 6th in shots saved. Up(or down if you prefer) there with Stoke, Palace, Swansea, Everton, Burnley.
Guess which 5 clubs have faced the least shots? Got it in one.
We are performing way above our actual general play due to one main factor, David De Gea has performed miracles for us this season. The stats outline this and our eyes aren't lying either.
Damning stats for a manager who has spent as much money as Jose has tbh.
We are 6th for shots ( 414 shots) then a big gap to Arsenal(475) Chelsea (485) Spurs (516) City( 525) and Liverpool(531)
We are also 6th for passing, behind all the same clubs as above.
Unbelievably, or not to anyone with a pair of eyes and a brain, we are also 6th in shots saved. Up(or down if you prefer) there with Stoke, Palace, Swansea, Everton, Burnley.
Guess which 5 clubs have faced the least shots? Got it in one.
We are performing way above our actual general play due to one main factor, David De Gea has performed miracles for us this season. The stats outline this and our eyes aren't lying either.
Damning stats for a manager who has spent as much money as Jose has tbh.
Cool word for me pointing out you being wrong.
So you ran away from our discussion on our home form and went to get stats on the team overall. I can tell what I was saying got to you.
It’s ok to admit that we are good at home but also need to improve away. If you actually look at objective progress, then we have improved both at home and in big 6 games. If we can do that, why can we not improve our away form next year?
Or is it that we have to improve everything all at once that is your problem?
Why exactly is he/she in the wrong? A differing opinion, nothing more.
After Sky's article on the progress from Van Gaal to Mourinho I was tempted to look at the comparison between United and the rest of the pack for the season so far, just taking most of the stats you can grab off the net. Also before anyone says it, I'm not trying to bash Mourinho.
Apologies if there's formatting errors I've missed and obviously not every red highlight is suggesting a problem (for example in defending - City having less interceptions or clearances is obviously not an issue for them).
Positives:
Quite impressive in a way that we're 2nd and on course to reach the best points total since Ferguson left. There would certainly seem to be plenty to improve on next season. We're not dreadful, but we're not great. The attacking side of things worries me I must admit.
EDIT: After posting, I look up two posts and see someone getting bashed for posting stats. O well.
Apologies if there's formatting errors I've missed and obviously not every red highlight is suggesting a problem (for example in defending - City having less interceptions or clearances is obviously not an issue for them).
Positives:
- Clean sheets.
- We know how to draw fouls.
- Decent shot accuracy and as good as City for goals outside the penalty area.
- Probably more to do with tactics but we are pretty good at intercepting.
- We're good at telling the ref to fcuk off.
- Our goalkeeper does his job pretty well to say the least.
- Worst of the bunch for chances created and forward passes.
- Take less shots than everyone else. Not just total shots but every category.
- Worst rate of headed goals - bizarre given the height of some of our players.
- Worst at winning tackles and commit the most fouls.
- Pick up the most yellow cards, and the worst offenders of all categories of yellow card.
- Not sure it's good that Dave has to make so many saves per match.
- Also pretty dramatic difference between the other goalkeepers for the average distribution, resulting in a much lower accuracy.
Quite impressive in a way that we're 2nd and on course to reach the best points total since Ferguson left. There would certainly seem to be plenty to improve on next season. We're not dreadful, but we're not great. The attacking side of things worries me I must admit.
EDIT: After posting, I look up two posts and see someone getting bashed for posting stats. O well.
Where is the differing opinion?
He just made a silly post that didn't really make sense but rather stemmed from defensiveness. That's all.
Moving on. It's largely semantics.
Or that we actually are changing the squad from what it was in more ways than one.
After Sky's article on the progress from Van Gaal to Mourinho I was tempted to look at the comparison between United and the rest of the pack for the season so far, just taking most of the stats you can grab off the net. Also before anyone says it, I'm not trying to bash Mourinho.
Apologies if there's formatting errors I've missed and obviously not every red highlight is suggesting a problem (for example in defending - City having less interceptions or clearances is obviously not an issue for them).
Positives:
Negatives or to improve on:
- Clean sheets.
- We know how to draw fouls.
- Decent shot accuracy and as good as City for goals outside the penalty area.
- Probably more to do with tactics but we are pretty good at intercepting.
- We're good at telling the ref to fcuk off.
- Our goalkeeper does his job pretty well to say the least.
- Worst of the bunch for chances created and forward passes.
- Take less shots than everyone else. Not just total shots but every category.
- Worst rate of headed goals - bizarre given the height of some of our players.
- Worst at winning tackles and commit the most fouls.
- Pick up the most yellow cards, and the worst offenders of all categories of yellow card.
- Not sure it's good that Dave has to make so many saves per match.
- Also pretty dramatic difference between the other goalkeepers for the average distribution, resulting in a much lower accuracy.
Quite impressive in a way that we're 2nd and on course to reach the best points total since Ferguson left. There would certainly seem to be plenty to improve on next season. We're not dreadful, but we're not great. The attacking side of things worries me I must admit.
EDIT: After posting, I look up two posts and see someone getting bashed for posting stats. O well.
Good post. Some people don't like the truth mate. Unfortunately not even these stats can show how devoid of creativity and clueless our football has been at times.
Brighton(h) Bournemouth(h) Southampton(h) been prime examples.
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Interesting stats. I'm not sure if Spurs play it long, but Liverpool, Chelsea and City all play out from the back. The GK distribution at 61% is pretty low given that we've got a target man of sorts. I think Lukaku is progressing well and I'm one who was far from convinced about him, but he certainly can improve in his aerial battles and the timing of his jumps (Bailly could also learn a bit about how to jump for a ball and physical posture). We're not playing out from the back and I don't think that will change with the current defenders Jose's got.
Those stats do indeed highlight how important de Gea is. I'd also say that our set pieces is something we should have improved upon over the last decade or so, but we've not done so (our corners were poor long before SAF retired).
Interesting stats. I'm not sure if Spurs play it long, but Liverpool, Chelsea and City all play out from the back. The GK distribution at 61% is pretty low given that we've got a target man of sorts. I think Lukaku is progressing well and I'm one who was far from convinced about him, but he certainly can improve in his aerial battles and the timing of his jumps (Bailly could also learn a bit about how to jump for a ball and physical posture). We're not playing out from the back and I don't think that will change with the current defenders Jose's got.
Those stats do indeed highlight how important de Gea is. I'd also say that our set pieces is something we should have improved upon over the last decade or so, but we've not done so (our corners were poor long before SAF retired).
Stats are interesting because Liverpool and Spurs statistically actually play more long balls than we do.
The only stats that matter is where you are on the table.
Liverpool chelsea spurs would love to trade their better stats for our table position
Also can only imagine the pressure we'd be putting on the team above if City didn't have their incredible form. We had a very easy 2nd half of the season and the last 8 games minus of one game are very winnable and a team above us trying to hit the points you are saying would be sweating.
Went to watch Scott against Scotland vs Costa Rica
We play the ball forward less which might skew that a bit. Hence why I didnt highlight best/worst as it’s really up to interpretation.
After Sky's article on the progress from Van Gaal to Mourinho I was tempted to look at the comparison between United and the rest of the pack for the season so far, just taking most of the stats you can grab off the net. Also before anyone says it, I'm not trying to bash Mourinho.
Apologies if there's formatting errors I've missed and obviously not every red highlight is suggesting a problem (for example in defending - City having less interceptions or clearances is obviously not an issue for them).
Positives:
Negatives or to improve on:
- Clean sheets.
- We know how to draw fouls.
- Decent shot accuracy and as good as City for goals outside the penalty area.
- Probably more to do with tactics but we are pretty good at intercepting.
- We're good at telling the ref to fcuk off.
- Our goalkeeper does his job pretty well to say the least.
- Worst of the bunch for chances created and forward passes.
- Take less shots than everyone else. Not just total shots but every category.
- Worst rate of headed goals - bizarre given the height of some of our players.
- Worst at winning tackles and commit the most fouls.
- Pick up the most yellow cards, and the worst offenders of all categories of yellow card.
- Not sure it's good that Dave has to make so many saves per match.
- Also pretty dramatic difference between the other goalkeepers for the average distribution, resulting in a much lower accuracy.
Quite impressive in a way that we're 2nd and on course to reach the best points total since Ferguson left. There would certainly seem to be plenty to improve on next season. We're not dreadful, but we're not great. The attacking side of things worries me I must admit.
EDIT: After posting, I look up two posts and see someone getting bashed for posting stats. O well.
These stats fit into what most think of our season. Don't think they highlight anything new. We need to shoot more, that's for sure.
Which won’t happen if we don’t play it forward more and create more chances. It isn’t just shots we suck at.
It was more tongue in cheek. But yeah I agree. Generally need to speed up the tempo and start moving the ball quicker from the back. Chance creation will be easy unless we keep moving the ball around at snail speed.
Didn't know that. Thought that since Liverpool got van Dijk they played it to his feet and had him drop it off to the almighty England captain Jordan Henderson or someone.
I think two class full backs and an elite centre back would improve those stats quite a lot and give Dave more of a feeling that he's got a normal defense in front of him.
Those stats are reasonably similar to the 'xG' figurs I dug up a while back. Basically, we're only ahead of Spurs/Pool because De Gea is having an absolute worldy. (I believe it's up to -14 goals x v actual).
We create less chances, take less shots, get into the box less and just basically attack less. And that's not counterbalanced by being tight at the back - we give up loads of chances.
We essentially play cowardly football badly, a lot of the time, but have an amazing keeper and some real talent up front that can seize upon minimal chances.
The stats say we should be 4th or 5th.
We create less chances, take less shots, get into the box less and just basically attack less. And that's not counterbalanced by being tight at the back - we give up loads of chances.
We essentially play cowardly football badly, a lot of the time, but have an amazing keeper and some real talent up front that can seize upon minimal chances.
The stats say we should be 4th or 5th.
There's no way he was at The Scotland game to check on Scott McTominay as the press seem to think. My guess is that he went to have a peep at Keyler Navas to see how he looks in case Real come and make a major bid for De Gea over the summer.
I think Jose can build a war machine next season if he lands his priority targets such as Milinkovic-Savic, Danny Rose and one of Varane or Alderweireld. He still doesn't have enough of his Jose style players to be able to call this team a proper Jose team.
I think Jose can build a war machine next season if he lands his priority targets such as Milinkovic-Savic, Danny Rose and one of Varane or Alderweireld. He still doesn't have enough of his Jose style players to be able to call this team a proper Jose team.
I agree entirely. Think he'll go for Sandro at left back. Can't see Madrid selling Varane, and would be surprised if they would let him go for what was reported in the tabloids the other day (far cheaper than VVD). Alderweireld is more attainable.
Just ignore games won, games lost, games drawn, goals scored, goals conceded, goal difference and points. Everyone's a FIFA manager these days.
Just ignore games won, games lost, games drawn, goals scored, goals conceded, goal difference and points. Everyone's a FIFA manager these days.
It hilarious how anti Jose fans use every stat bar the league table looool
De Gea has been great but because other teams shoot from anywhere doesn’t mean our defence is awful
Just ignore games won, games lost, games drawn, goals scored, goals conceded, goal difference and points. Everyone's a FIFA manager these days.
Sorry but this is a pretty dense response or at least an unfair one.
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