This is a bit weird coming from someone who said they were a City fan in 2010.
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This is a bit weird coming from someone who said they were a City fan in 2010.
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I said if they are not up to the task of getting a progressive replacement they should be sacked. I can guarantee you we will still be playing crap football next year if Jose remains. This is how he likes to play. The current Mourinho style is outdated in football now, no big team plays this way. All teams that are remaining in the CL are almost an exact opposite of Mourinho's style.So you want to sack the manager and the board?! Come off it, at least try and put a realistic point forward
We were just unfortunate that when Klopp was free we had another manager installed and Pep chose City. I understand these are rival managers but they bring a joy to watching football while Jose sucks the life out of it.
When did his style apparently become outdated? This year? Last year?
When all the top teams decided to hire progressive managers.
Guy really did a number on both sides i see.
So you cannot answer the question? Simeone is a progressive manager or? What about Mourinho winning the league 3 years ago? Is Ranieri a progressive manager?
I think people are just talking for the sake of it now. We lost, he made bad mistakes, it fecking hurts. Liverpool and Chelsea were brilliant though. We need to win against Brighton now.
What I don't understand is why he changes positions or players when they play well.
Martial was having great season as left winger; Signed Sanchez which was good decision but to play him as left winger was bad idea. Should have played centrally where he had great season at Arsenal.
Rashford had a great game playing as left winger against Liverpool, he then moved him to right wing where he isn't good.
Mata was very good coming on as a sub agianst Palace, then played a good game against Liverpool. He was dropped against Sevilla where we needed Mata more than others. His movement, touch, passing was very much missed.
Shaw did well in run of games and then all of a sudden he isn't in contention at all.
Martial was having great season as left winger; Signed Sanchez which was good decision but to play him as left winger was bad idea. Should have played centrally where he had great season at Arsenal.
Rashford had a great game playing as left winger against Liverpool, he then moved him to right wing where he isn't good.
Mata was very good coming on as a sub agianst Palace, then played a good game against Liverpool. He was dropped against Sevilla where we needed Mata more than others. His movement, touch, passing was very much missed.
Shaw did well in run of games and then all of a sudden he isn't in contention at all.
Keep seeing "well his signings have been good." They haven't IMO. I'd agree that Zlatan last year and Matic this season have been ok or even good, and Lukaku looks like he's beginning to fit in here. Interesting that these are the three who Mourinho has worked with previously.
The other five have been disappointing at least. I know I'm in a minority on the Cafe but Bailly is an accident waiting to happen in every game, Pogba and now Sanchez have underwhelmed to say the least, and the less said about Mkhitaryen and Lindelof the better.
Given his history it would be a dereliction of duty on Woodward's part not to be considering alternatives right now even if things were going a lot better than they are. Not that I've much faith in Ed making the right choice, I don't think the people running the club right now understand much about football or what we should be aiming for on the pitch.
feck off @getupkid
The other five have been disappointing at least. I know I'm in a minority on the Cafe but Bailly is an accident waiting to happen in every game, Pogba and now Sanchez have underwhelmed to say the least, and the less said about Mkhitaryen and Lindelof the better.
Given his history it would be a dereliction of duty on Woodward's part not to be considering alternatives right now even if things were going a lot better than they are. Not that I've much faith in Ed making the right choice, I don't think the people running the club right now understand much about football or what we should be aiming for on the pitch.
feck off @getupkidIncredibly disappointed in Jose. Following two brilliant results against Chelsea and Liverpool, to this. Going out with a whimper.
I will say that I'm not giving the players a pass on this - majority were shite. But Jose's tactical approach for the whole tie, both away in Sevilla and last night, was - well I don't really know what it was.
Let's focus on the remaining games. Secure second, get to the FA Cup final, improve our performances. It's all we can do. Then evaluate from there.
I will say that I'm not giving the players a pass on this - majority were shite. But Jose's tactical approach for the whole tie, both away in Sevilla and last night, was - well I don't really know what it was.
Let's focus on the remaining games. Secure second, get to the FA Cup final, improve our performances. It's all we can do. Then evaluate from there.
It's also possible to recognise the results/merits of his defensive, cautious football and still think he's not the right man for the job.
I applaud him for his past achievements, and for our current league position. But it's obvious that this is the extent of his abilities as manager of the club.
History is clear that Jose is a short term manager. By the third season relationships sour quickly.
I predict squad mutiny next season, Pogba already looks like he doesn't want to play for him, Lukaku, Lingard and Martial will likely side with him. Sanchez isn't performing and will need a scapegoat to justify his wage. The handling of Luke Shaw has been poor. He's got big transfer to make in attack to address obvious under performance, which will result in some big players losing playing time.
Who is really playing for Jose? Matic? McTomminay?
We've seen this all before.
Sums it up right...
If we get the same shit football and negative approach against Brighton on Saturday I'll be bringing a Mourinho Out banner to the Swansea game, I don't give a damn If I get stick for it.
Barcelona, City, Bayern, Real Madrid, PSG, Juventus. These are elite clubs currently. None of them have managers whose main tactic is to park the bus at every away ground regardless of opposition and park the bus at home against any serious opposition.
The way we played against Sevilla away and first half yesterday is the Jose way. It was exactly as planned, that is the best we can hope for against any decent opposition. We weren't able to score on all 4 of the half chances we had and we lost. That is the problem with this style. You will have only a couple of chances and if you don't score you are in trouble.
Can you honestly say that Barcelona, City, Bayern, Real Madrid or PSG will even touch Mourinho?
Can you honestly, hand on heart, say that you enjoy Mourinho’s brand of football?
What if we win, but in your opinion, the football is negative and poor?
It's evident that we still haven't found a combination of eleven players on the pitch and a stable starting formation that will allow us to perform like a top Mourinho side. It's just silly to suggest that what we saw yesterday was what Mourinho brings to the table as a manager. It's simply not. On the other hand, it's entirely his fault that he hasn't reached his usual heights at Old Trafford. You can tell that when you keep hearing words such as "rebuilding", "process" and that he inherited "scoured earth" already 2/3 in his initial contract. He's a transition-based manager and we are currently a team with very little urgency, aggressiveness and off the ball movement, after all.
Despite whatever you think of him, it's hard to find excuses for him for games like yesterday. You're going into one of the most crucial games of the season and you still haven't figured out how to make your players play like you want them to. OK, but why don't you stick with the basic things that have helped your cause over the course of the season? Why the need to start Fellaini when McTominay has offered so much protection in the midfield? Why the need to keep trying to prove a point with Sanchez on the left when both Rashford and Martial have given you better performances there? Why not trust Mata and his experience in games like that? Why has Shaw, our only natural LB, disappeared once again?
Everybody makes mistakes and not getting right, even after two seasons, could be excused and your pedigree may give you a final shot at glory. But heaven helps only those who help themselves and last night the only thing Mourinho managed to achieve was to shoot himself in the foot and destroy the confidence and the good vibes around the club after the Chelsea and Liverpool victories.
Despite whatever you think of him, it's hard to find excuses for him for games like yesterday. You're going into one of the most crucial games of the season and you still haven't figured out how to make your players play like you want them to. OK, but why don't you stick with the basic things that have helped your cause over the course of the season? Why the need to start Fellaini when McTominay has offered so much protection in the midfield? Why the need to keep trying to prove a point with Sanchez on the left when both Rashford and Martial have given you better performances there? Why not trust Mata and his experience in games like that? Why has Shaw, our only natural LB, disappeared once again?
Everybody makes mistakes and not getting right, even after two seasons, could be excused and your pedigree may give you a final shot at glory. But heaven helps only those who help themselves and last night the only thing Mourinho managed to achieve was to shoot himself in the foot and destroy the confidence and the good vibes around the club after the Chelsea and Liverpool victories.
Buck stops with this guy. Fellaini should not have started. Why wasnt Mata played from the start? Negative shambles
That is classic.
Winning brings me great enjoyment yes. I am not going to sit here and pretend we played City level football in the past either. I disagree with how he set up against Sevilla. Did I feel incredible after the Liverpool and Chelsea games? 100%.
I think things are not that bad for home games, but away we need to improve. That goes for the style as well. I can honestly say the Real Madrid Mourinho team that won La Liga was one of my favourite to watch. I know Mourinho can build a counter attack which is exciting.
So is a manager like Allegri anymore progressive than Conte for example? Conte just won the league last year. I don’t even know what you mean by progressive anymore. You are just naming top teams. Is Conte suddenly outdated now as well?
Also, Zidane’s Real is not anymore 'progressive' than Mourinho’s Real team. You’re just saying things for the sake of it. The Mourinho Real team that won the league was very good.
No, he doesn't get a pass on yesterday. United teams played poorly under Fergie too and didn't get a pass. The players AND the manager have to look at what they're doing.
However, it's not 'back to the drawing board' time. A lot of the pieces are there....it's just a matter of clicking, or getting a Cantona-esque player with the Midas touch in. Someone to gel all these pieces together.
There's something missing and I am certainly not the one to fix it, but I feel we're not that far away.
I'm not deluded at all, and the simple proof is I don't expect us to win every time we go out on the field. Yes, we have an abundance of talent in this squad, but there are a few that are putting next to no effort when they play.
I enjoyed the Chelsea and Liverpool wins because they are our rivals and in one half each, we at least showed some attacking instinct.
The whole season otherwise has been a chore to watch except for the start of the season where we did show some attacking quality . A lot of people think we were attacking in those early 4-0 wins in the league but how many of them were against decent opposition? Most of the games we lulled around till the end where we scored, otherwise it was the same performances that we have seen from United recently.
Next season is going to be the same. What's the point of winning the Europa when we can't even make it to the quarters of the champion's league.
Jose and overrated players like pogba and fellaini are ruining my day
And Pogba is most definitely one of those, which makes you wonder why he was subbed on when the game was looking tense as it was.
I am not a "Mourinho out" supporter, not by any means - simply due to the fact that there's absolutely nobody out there available that'd do a better job than him, but last night was an absolute managerial loss.
Sevilla didn't outperform us by any metric, we just let them have enough of the ball for them to score. Had we went for the jugular immediately and gotten a goal in the first half, negative football would have made sense. Instead, we had a 5 minute spell of aggression when the game started and after some miscues by Lukaku, orders were given to park the bus.
Against Sevilla. At home. In a 0-0 scoreline.
Yeah, no excuses for that. We're not expected to win every time we go out on the field, but we are expected to win a Champions League round of 16 game at home vs a midtable Spanish side.
There was a thread on Twitter about Mourinho being underrated at coaching attacking, and overrated in defense coaching, and I think it makes so much sense. It was either created by some of the spielverlagerung lads, or liked by them.
Last night is the first time I’ve ever asked myself why do I watch this. Always watched every match I could by highlights or just whatever to watch us play. But seriously half way through the first half whilst I was nodding off I figured I might as well just find out the result after.
There is just no joy in any of it, the team have become a bunch of joyless robots and even worse now it looks like they are scared to go forward. I’m not so bothered that we went out, it’s more the way we did it. If we’d gone out there and put in the effort and tried to play instead of holding back and we lost that would be easier to take, this Just cuts me deep, like right down in my soul.
IF we part ways with Mourinho at the end of the season then we could do a lot worse than maybe sound out Zidane,I think he would be phenomenal at Utd!
Sorry but this is not needed. Moyes was SAF's pick and noone would have protested against it, he was meant to be the successor sadly. After Moyes and the lack of discipline we were looking for a strict coach with clear philosophy. Out of very few coaches coaches available LVG fit the bill perfectly, at least with his CV. He was known for attacking football, being hard on players and working with youth. Unfortunately he decided to play totally something else than in his previous career and no one was expecting that. Mourinho then was a logical step after LVG, sacking, again almost no one was available, and his record and winning mentality was needed, to stabilize the club. There was a hope for immediate success which he was known to always bring.
The result is he lost his mojo and can't do it anymore while boring us but important thing is that I am not sure if we could do better appointments at the time. Certainly we wouldn't "risk" to give chance to a young manager without records for a big club like this after devastating season with Moyes. It is just not fair to critisize board for this. If Gary Neville or someone like that was a DoF, he would have smilar picks. Certainly there was a time when we could get Klopp or Guardiola but it wasn't the right timing.
Not sure what next, that 'll be the biggest challenge for Woodward and co but blaming him for well known coaches not to deliver is pathetic.
If Giggs was a man he would already have few seasons with U23/U18 under his belt and would be in contention now with Zidane-sque/Guardiola career trajectory.. High hopes we somehow get Pochettino or get someone like Ranieri for few seasons
I sincerely hope you are right. But given the situation with Pogba we might be looking into the possibility of signing two new midfielders instead of just one. I'd also argue that's about high time we addressed the FBs conundrum and how we'll get any kind of width in the attacking half. Another might argue that we will also need a new centre-half with a good injury record because heavy rotation at the back isn't something that a team which prioritizes a low block defence fancies very much. As for the attack, i'd say that there's an abundance of talent but the problem lies elsewhere. Mourinho, after the purchase of Sanchez, has managed to assemble a formidable attacking force but with little chemistry between them. We seem to be the equivalent to Thunder in the NBA. They have Carmelo, Westbrook and they recently added George in what looks like a terrorizing attacking trident on paper. But when you actually watch them play, each one of them tries to create good opportunities for himself and feels like a fish out of the water when he has to open up spaces for the others. Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Rashford, they all seem to be in the game when the ball arrives at their feet. That's no way to create a top side. So, genuinely i have my concerns about the near future with Mourinho while i'm also willing to give him a final year to get things right.
It really really hurts. For anyone who has been watching Jose from early days since his arrival in England, witnessing the domination he created in both domestic and Europe competitions over the years, feeling anxious everytime United faced his teams and being so so happy when one of the greatest minds in 21th century football world finally became our manager, this match is absolutely painful to watch.
It feels like finding out your very loved ones are not the ones they used to be, not the ones that you think they must still be and some important things that are the reasons you love them werent there anymore. Suddenly everything collapsed and you dont know where to believe
It feels like finding out your very loved ones are not the ones they used to be, not the ones that you think they must still be and some important things that are the reasons you love them werent there anymore. Suddenly everything collapsed and you dont know where to believe
Yesterday was the first time I've began to doubt Mourinho as the right manager for us. He's got his tactics wrong before and it happens but the decision to play Fellaini over McTominay was baffling considering when we set up to be defensive. Fellaini would have been excellent sub to bring on as he has proven before. Also the decision to drop Juan Mata was equally baffling considering he also put in a good performance against Liverpool and is very good in possession, something which we need in Europe.
I'm not calling for his head and I do think the players bear some responsibility but the defeat really left a sour taste in my mouth, more so than any other this season because we should be beating these guys over 2 legs and quite frankly one goal in 2 games is not good enough considering we are fielding some quality players in attack.
I'm not calling for his head and I do think the players bear some responsibility but the defeat really left a sour taste in my mouth, more so than any other this season because we should be beating these guys over 2 legs and quite frankly one goal in 2 games is not good enough considering we are fielding some quality players in attack.
I thought Barney Ronay's take on it was quite interesting. He suggested that Mourinho has become so associated with this negative brand of football that what was once pragmatic has now become a dogma, that he would rather fail than admit he was wrong and adjust his tactics - evolve with the modern game. He also suggested the whole thing was born out of his pathological loathing of Barca, and his need to succeed doing the opposite of what they do.
I hope I have done justice to what he was saying. That was how I understood it anyway. It was just a single comment in a broader article (which as always is very entertaining.)
I dont know what to say about last night, really. Utterly depressing, especially after the highs of recent weeks. Anything I think at the moment is still going to be knee-jerk, I have not really got any perspective on things overnight, I am finding it difficult to untangle logic and emotion in my head. I just wish we had a bit more consistency, so you could really feel we are making progress. We beat a much better team than Sevilla at the weekend but then just didnt turn up.
It is easier to take the negative football when you are winning. At least there is a point to it then. It is a price you pay, but at least you get something you want out of it - success. The flipside is when it isnt delivering you success it is that much harder to take.
I hope I have done justice to what he was saying. That was how I understood it anyway. It was just a single comment in a broader article (which as always is very entertaining.)
I dont know what to say about last night, really. Utterly depressing, especially after the highs of recent weeks. Anything I think at the moment is still going to be knee-jerk, I have not really got any perspective on things overnight, I am finding it difficult to untangle logic and emotion in my head. I just wish we had a bit more consistency, so you could really feel we are making progress. We beat a much better team than Sevilla at the weekend but then just didnt turn up.
It is easier to take the negative football when you are winning. At least there is a point to it then. It is a price you pay, but at least you get something you want out of it - success. The flipside is when it isnt delivering you success it is that much harder to take.
Doesn't really matter what your opinion is on the man right now, the contract extension was daft. At least wait until the season is over to fully reflect on how things are going before extending it.
People will downplay last night and pretend it's not a big deal but it really was a huge blow to Mourinho. It was absolutely pathetic.
What's more is that I felt we had turned a corner under Mourinho after the Chelsea, Palace and Liverpool league results. I mean the performances weren't great, in fact all of them were littered with problems but it was fantastic to see the fight in the side again. Last night destroyed all of that. It feels like 10 steps back. Laughing stock stuff.
People will downplay last night and pretend it's not a big deal but it really was a huge blow to Mourinho. It was absolutely pathetic.
What's more is that I felt we had turned a corner under Mourinho after the Chelsea, Palace and Liverpool league results. I mean the performances weren't great, in fact all of them were littered with problems but it was fantastic to see the fight in the side again. Last night destroyed all of that. It feels like 10 steps back. Laughing stock stuff.
fecking hell. I haven't enjoyed a large proportion of the football we've played recently but the man has stabilised a club that was all over the place before he joined. I, too, have come to realise that he isn't the man to take us forward but I'll be ever grateful for the impact he's made over the past 20 months or so. Criticise the way he set us up yesterday all you want, it was woeful and cowardly but at least show some appreciation for the work he has done i.e. it doesn't look like we need a rebuild.
I was pretty shocked with his lineup . In my opinion he under estimated Sevilla. As did, frankly a lot of people. We had an ok fifteen minutes in the beginning, could have scored, didn't. But that's when Sevilla got themselves together. We still should have beaten them, the second half was awful both manager and players let us down. But big picture, you have to move on quickly past this disappointment and assess come the end of the season. And that includes being impartial if City do a CL and League double. We have to remember that this club really hit some lows the previous seasons
Make it MorinhOut. More catchy.
I don't think you'll get as much stick as you will support at the moment. We have to just go for it against Brighton so he can prove he has some balls, but does anyone honestly expect us to do so?
It will paper the cracks again, as all the other ones did. I don't think many are upset with our league position, but not many would say we've been setting the world on fire either.
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