As was talk about LVG leaving, or Moyes after few months, sometimes it’s just painfully evident. Personally, better to cut ties quickly before more damage is made as inevitable arrives, the writing is on the wall by now, unfortunately. Clearly wrong fit for us, after year and a half there’s little improvement in our play apart from better players, I can give him that for sure.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Seems that his style is to defend properly and hit on the counter. Which is great if teams fall into the trap, like Arsenal did.
But what if teams sit deep? What is the plan B?
Not sure JM has an answer to that one.
When we do get in front, we usually do manage to hold on and our counter is looking very good at times.
If we aren't, we struggle to create and if we get behind, the feeling is an exact opposite of what was under Fergie. That's his big problem. There are glimpses of good attacking play, but not much more. Considering you could say, we are still slowly progressing, he will get time, and rightly so.
I'm not at that stage yet - he's made progress and needs more time.
Would agree with your general point though. If it's not working the guy needs to go. Talking about giving managers time when it's clearly not working is just virtue signalling nonsense.
I'm glad we've got these games tbh. It's a really tough run and we've got to step up. Let's see if we can.
Think he sets up like we're still in the mid-late 2000s my turn, your turn style epl matches.
And get who? And what more damage will arrive? He is clearly doing a much better job than those two and his transfer policy is good so he will also leave much better team than Moyes and LVG.
People deluded themselves if they think this job is an easy one and that he would sort it in a season and a half. Unless there is some massive collapse until the end of the season, he should get another year for sure.
Fair play, it might be just my emotions right now taking over but realistically next fixture is Chelsea and we might end up 4th again just one point behind Tottenham. That is terrifying considering the money and time spent at this club for me.
Not getting top 4 after the money spent? Unsettled and unhappy squad (mostly his own purchases)?
Well If we stick Moyes and LVG as barometers for success we might just resign to being average.
Not getting top four is a massive collapse that I mentioned before as a sackable offence.
They shouldn't be barometers but a warning that this job is a hard one and there is a big risk of a failure. Getting a new manager at this moment would be sheer stupidity.
United only plays well when they have space to put balls in depth, taking the advantage of the speed of its players who are fast and with good finalization skills. Take your own conclusions.
It’s been said many times, Jose’s relationship with the fan base will be based on winning trophies while he persists with such a pragmatic approach to his style of play.
None of us can complain too much up to now in respect of his records regarding silverware and attracting top talent but I think any long-standing United fan would agree that we’ve a tradition of playing with style and that we all hanker for that too.
We have to hope that is what he wants too.
None of us can complain too much up to now in respect of his records regarding silverware and attracting top talent but I think any long-standing United fan would agree that we’ve a tradition of playing with style and that we all hanker for that too.
We have to hope that is what he wants too.
Funny thing it doesn't even require the massive collapse from us and that's the whole point. Next time around we play Chelsea in the league and if they do their job tomorrow against WBA, very likely we can find ourselves 4th one point of 5th just above Spurs after the full round of fixtures if we lose that. You can't call that a collapse if we fail to make the top 4 from there, we're just very poor.
I just can't see the team clicking all of sudden, no signs out there to fire some hope.
I'm at that stage tbh. I'm never gonna pollute the forum with calls for his sacking obviously and I'll always hope for the best, hope to be turned around in my opinion of him.
He is not getting PSG, you guys overrate him. Most clubs know he is done from the top level.
The same Chelsea who lost against Bournemouth and Watford in two weeks with a GD 1-7?
Despite all the talk, good games from Liverpool and Spurs, we're in second place practically from day 1, so yes finishing outside top four would require a massive collapse in last 12 games. I don't say it's impossible, but our form would require a massive dip. A dip we didn't show at any point in this season so far.
Let's hope he'll try to change things in formations/tactics after this system failing easily against Spurs and Newcastle.
For the moment either he drops one of Lingard or Martial to put another midfielder and push Pogba, currently Scott is the one available, or drop Pogba for Scott and leave the front 4 roaming as Hudders match.
These 2 options hurt but are the only way to balance the team a little bit.
For the moment either he drops one of Lingard or Martial to put another midfielder and push Pogba, currently Scott is the one available, or drop Pogba for Scott and leave the front 4 roaming as Hudders match.
These 2 options hurt but are the only way to balance the team a little bit.
My opinion is that it's stupid to just call for his sacking on here in the middle of the season when it's never going to happen and where he can still turn things round. But at the moment watching United isn't fun anymore. In my opinion we will never win the league with him in charge.
Absolute nosense. We won the League cup and the europa league last year. And we are playing miles better than under Moyes and Van Gaal. Miles better.
Sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side.
We should have won today. This was not like Spurs. We would have won or drawn had we taken our chances.
Football fans can be so fickle.
Drop Martial for McTominay. If he isn't going to be on the left he should just be an option off the bench.
Both Moyes and LVG were out of their depth. We won FA cup with LVG too so what?
Miles better than Moyes or LVG is still million miles away from what we're looking for.
We lost, sour grapes is for losers.
Agree with you, any "normal" season we would be battling it out for top position, City is just in astronomical overdrive mode! Also important not to forget that the grass on any other side start brown with fertilizer and lot of time to grow green and dense.
But then again any other "normal" season would other contenders be as poor as they are this season?
You mean the teams around us like Liverpool & Spurs? Are they not decent sides?
My trust in Jose is certainly eroding. I don't think he gets the best out of the players because he is stubborn tactically, he burns players out, struggles to rotate them and seems incapable of dropping his stars.
I think we'll just keep shelling out for four players every summer until we win the league. Our next league win will be as much down to Woodward as it will be Mourinho.
I think we'll just keep shelling out for four players every summer until we win the league. Our next league win will be as much down to Woodward as it will be Mourinho.
Them + Chelsea are all having poor season's if you ask some fans here and some of their own fans, but yet they're just a few points behind us.
Literally dropped Martial and Pogba last week.
Yeah and there's fans that think Liverpool, Spurs and their managers are all better than us and ours.
And literally everyone was shocked...
What's your point?
As someone who wants Jose as manager, I want someone to ask him what he is doing specifically to improve our attacking play. We seem to purely focus on negating the strength of our opponent. Well we now have some fantastic players yet play like a mediocre team. Jose can't just keep throwing individuals under the bus. At some point he has to recognise he is responsible for improving our performance
Pretty obvious isn't it? He doesn't do it enough.
Because dropping your best players all the time is what managers do?
Clearly you're not even close to understanding the point I was trying to make when I replied to that "in any other normal season". You should go back and read it.
In any normal season Spurs and Liverpool would be contenders, yes. This same Spurs side has been up there the last few years so I don't get your point.
Give any of the top 4 coaches these current crops of players, i bet they will utilize the attacking unit better then him. Yes, he has won more trophies than them, maybe expect Pep. I think it is clear to see that going forward with Mou, will wont be winning any major trophies *Premiership or Champion league soon, especially if Pep is still around. From his approach to big games to his player managements, he lacks touch expected from a manager of his caliber. Let watch the Pogba drama unfolds in front of us. Pogba in Juventus, going forward was a beast the same way Mkhitaryan was a player and a half in Dortmund, going forward. Is it a coincident both players came short in our attack playing under Mou ?
At times, it is hard to blame him cos the board knew what they got when they signed him.. Well, that is if they actually know that they are doing.
Regardless how many more marquee signings we make under Mou, his approach wont change, history should have taught us that. First he complained about the goal, we have Sanchez now and after two league games, the chances created to our attackers are not not crisp enough..
At times, it is hard to blame him cos the board knew what they got when they signed him.. Well, that is if they actually know that they are doing.
Regardless how many more marquee signings we make under Mou, his approach wont change, history should have taught us that. First he complained about the goal, we have Sanchez now and after two league games, the chances created to our attackers are not not crisp enough..
Ridiculous, shame on you. I dare you to say this after our next win, which might be at home to Chelsea in two weeks. Let’s say we beat them 3-0 and score a few blinders and you’d never say this crap.
How many points did a normal Chelsea have last season at this stage? Every season seems to have a strong contender from the start; this year neither Pool or Spurs have been contenders. Tottenham have never, ever been a contender in the Premier League-era. They were like ten points behind Leicester and Chelsea, forget about it. Spurs have five defeats in 27 games, never good enough to win anything in the Premier League when you’ve also drawn seven.
If you are not first, nobody fecking cares where you end up and it means absolutely nothing - something City/Aguero/QPR showed us pretty well a few years ago.
He’s dinosaur manager but he’ll get defended for his past achievements. some of his judgement is really off, like inclusion of McTominayand herrera not even making the bench. Hes our best player last season and he may have started really slow but last few games he was among one of the best players again.
He should be playing instead of Matic or at lesst rotating who is overrated. His physicáity is good but we are lacking dynamism and pogba should play but really a shame for him that we domt have a better manager who cant ny far get the best out of him. Sanchez is another problem why is he not starting on the right instead of Mata is beyond me. He might be better from the ledt or middle but thinngs were going well for martial and tweaking it around cost us in last few games.
Shame ddg will eventually leave because we wont win anything significamt under mourinho. And we have some other hreat talents but Mourinho and his prehistoric wont take us anywhere forward.
My suggestion would not be sack him now bur use his name to het some world class player and het pochwttino for whatever the price is. I personally think Klopp would also do better while playing greater football. With the money and the squad hed do better I feel and Pep ill leave it up to you. Hed spend a lot of money but bring the title home while playing best brand of football in the league.
He should be playing instead of Matic or at lesst rotating who is overrated. His physicáity is good but we are lacking dynamism and pogba should play but really a shame for him that we domt have a better manager who cant ny far get the best out of him. Sanchez is another problem why is he not starting on the right instead of Mata is beyond me. He might be better from the ledt or middle but thinngs were going well for martial and tweaking it around cost us in last few games.
Shame ddg will eventually leave because we wont win anything significamt under mourinho. And we have some other hreat talents but Mourinho and his prehistoric wont take us anywhere forward.
My suggestion would not be sack him now bur use his name to het some world class player and het pochwttino for whatever the price is. I personally think Klopp would also do better while playing greater football. With the money and the squad hed do better I feel and Pep ill leave it up to you. Hed spend a lot of money but bring the title home while playing best brand of football in the league.
Herrera is injured. This makes about half of your post pointless.
I've said it before, Jose is the opposite of Klopp. One knows attack the other defense. Not a surprise they are 2 points away from each other. The stubborn bastards should co-coach a team. Hahah
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