It's not like before Sanchez was signed our play was any better.
Martial moving to right shouldn't make them looks like clueless idiots on the field. Martial also moved to left from 65th min, didn't improve anything at all.
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It's not like before Sanchez was signed our play was any better.
Martial moving to right shouldn't make them looks like clueless idiots on the field. Martial also moved to left from 65th min, didn't improve anything at all.
Even with that I don't think he'd come and we couldn't offer him an unlimited budget anyway.
Exactly. Too bad we just gave Jose an extension.
So what. If he'll do really bad he can get the sack just like anyone.
We're doing good result wise still but our CL spot is being endangered, especially with bad games like this.
Mourinho isn't leaving any time soon.
We're passing through a bad period because of him trying to integrate Sanchez in the team in an unbalanced way. He'll have to work and solve these problems starting from tomorrow.
We're passing through a bad period because of him trying to integrate Sanchez in the team in an unbalanced way. He'll have to work and solve these problems starting from tomorrow.
So what? he's going to do a Fergie at spurs and stay forever? He's definitely leaving when a top 5 club comes calling. It's just who knocks on the door first.
Who decides to hire a manager at a football club? At Utd....is it the board of directors? Does it come down to Woodward? Does Fergie have a say?
For all the chequebook accusations Pepe gets battered with, when you see City play you see his hand all over it, same for Liverpool and Klopp. Meanwhile I’m still trying to figure out what Mourinho has been doing for 2 years, team looks like we even skip training sessions and just pop up on weekends hoping individual brilliance will carry us to maybe a result
He’s a has been. 3 wrong choices since Fergie
He’s a has been. 3 wrong choices since Fergie
So we've been like this a lot this season because he's trying to integrate Sanchez into the team now? What? Are we just ignoring the awful performances we've been serving up before we signed him now
He's not changing, which is worrying. Apart from the 15 minutes against (Everton?) where we brought on Herrera to play with Matic, with Pogba playing further forward, I can't remember the last performance this team produced. It's vital he does something imo. If I was playing for us, and saw the kind of football most other teams play in attack... I'm not sure how long I'd be waiting tbh. A footballing career is short.
You only win something at one point in the year - the day to day has to be enjoyable - and I'm worried our players aren't entirely happy..
You only win something at one point in the year - the day to day has to be enjoyable - and I'm worried our players aren't entirely happy..
Absolute drivel.
He'll go to Madrid before Utd.
No we haven't been like this all the season. Nonsense and I'm not interested in replaying on it.
If he achieves something soon with Spurs why would he go?
I agree though that if he doesn't he might leave. But then again he'd be proven to be a near guy, someone who has his team playing nicely but doesn't win anything.
But hey at least we would look good..
And even if he'll want to leave who's to say we'll be the ones who'll get him.
There goes Mourinho preparing to collect his third consecutive settlement after extending his contract. The guy sure knows how to play the game. Trouble is, he's burned so many bridges, there's only PSG for him.
Why United extend Mourinho contract when the season haven't end yet? I was curious of the decision at that time. One and half year to finish current contract and rewarded him to signed a new deal when we had no any chance to win PL this season already.
The board should see how's he gonna finishes on CL and league this season first, then consider to offer him new contact or not at the end of the season.
The board should see how's he gonna finishes on CL and league this season first, then consider to offer him new contact or not at the end of the season.
I don't mind losing. Hell it's sport upsets happen.
But we seem to be conceding similar goals far too often. We criticized Klopp because Pool made same mistakes game on game and here we are. Nearly every goal we've conceded has been a long ball from deep or a corner. For the tallest, meanest side, we seem to lose an awful number of headers and we rarely ever win the second ball!
But we seem to be conceding similar goals far too often. We criticized Klopp because Pool made same mistakes game on game and here we are. Nearly every goal we've conceded has been a long ball from deep or a corner. For the tallest, meanest side, we seem to lose an awful number of headers and we rarely ever win the second ball!
Head in the sand. I didn't say we'd been playing like this all season, but we certainly have throughout points of it, well before Sanchez signed. To say this performance has happened because he's trying to integrate Sanchez is, i'm sorry, pure nonsense
Only way Mourinho is going to be under serious threat of the sack is if we finish outside top 4 and fail to win a trophy,that is actually regression,not progression!
Regardless of his extension there is a real possibility of us achieving those listed above and if it happens then Mourinho has to suffer the consequences, no excuses!
Regardless of his extension there is a real possibility of us achieving those listed above and if it happens then Mourinho has to suffer the consequences, no excuses!
The only nonsense is assuming we have been playing poorly through the whole season. These claims always came out whenever we had a terrible game so I'm not interested in entering a tiresome discussion about it.
He deserves to be criticized for today and for Spurs game and I did it. Extending that to the whole season is nonsense.
He's infuriatingly stubborn, it feels like if he's going to remain here we might as well just give in to his way of doing things, let Pogba and Martial go, get in another scrapper for his flat base midfield obsession, and buy a Perisic type run and cross merchant and just be done with it.
Indeed not, but then again I think this forum vastly over-rates the current ability of our attackers (and have said so in the past) sticking in Sanchez, moving players around, and expecting all the issues to go within three games seems a bit optimistic.
Are you even reading my posts? At what point did I say we've been playing poorly throughout the whole season? There's been times where we have played decently, sure, but these claims come out because Mourinho is doing a poor job overall, not because of a single result. You don't want to discuss it, fine, but surely you can see something isn't right, or do you believe everything has been amazing this season bar the Spurs and Newcastle game.
But it's not just 3 games, it's more than 18 months for many players.
Pogba, Martial, Lingard, Valencia, Young, Smalling, Jones, De Gea. That's 8 out of 11 players who played together for 18 months. Add Matic and Lukaku - that's 10 players who played together all season.
We're going backwards, which is obviously a worry, and the only person to blame for it is him.
I know I'm in the minority here and it may seem as a knee-jerk reaction after the loss (which it is to an extent tbf) but I would happily see him go now. For me it just seems delaying the inevitable as he clearly is wrong fit for us.
I find it embarrassing for so many to be calling for Mourinho's head after this loss given the context of this season. We are in 2nd and still in both major cup competitions (after winning two minor trophies last season no less).
Remember that LVG wasted a lot, and I mean a lot, of money on average players, and set us back years. He spent a quarter of a billion pounds on:
Daley Blind
Matteo Darmian
Memphis Depay
Angel Di Maria
Radamel Falcao
Ander Herrera
Anthony Martial
Marcos Rojo
Sergio Romero
Morgan Schneiderlin
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Luke Shaw
Victor Valdes
Of that horror show only the very expensive Martial now starts and, unless Shaw turns it around, looks to be the only one with any sort of a future at this club.
Since Mourinho came the damage of LVG has rapidly been unpicked to the point where we are disappointed to not be competing for 1st and sitting comfortably in the top 4.
Mourinho, on the other hand has outlayed a similar amount of money on:
Paul Pogba
Romelu Lukaku
Nemanja Matic
Victor Lindelof
Henrikh Mkhitaryan -> Alexis Sanchez
Eric Bailly
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
All of those players, excepting Lindelof, are (or were in the case of Ibra), huge improvements to our starting XI.
Yes, after another window of (hopefully) improving upon our LB, CB and CM options he still doesn't have an expensive superstar team gelling and competing for the Premier League then we can reasonably discuss whether he is the best fit for us. But please let's look at the disastrous post-Fergie years compared to where we are now before we start calling him 'a piece of shit' as one embarrassing forum member did.
Incidentally, Moyes and LVG clearly weren't up to task but it still would be a shocking inditement of our fanbase to see them called 'pieces of shit' on here.
Remember that LVG wasted a lot, and I mean a lot, of money on average players, and set us back years. He spent a quarter of a billion pounds on:
Daley Blind
Matteo Darmian
Memphis Depay
Angel Di Maria
Radamel Falcao
Ander Herrera
Anthony Martial
Marcos Rojo
Sergio Romero
Morgan Schneiderlin
Bastian Schweinsteiger
Luke Shaw
Victor Valdes
Of that horror show only the very expensive Martial now starts and, unless Shaw turns it around, looks to be the only one with any sort of a future at this club.
Since Mourinho came the damage of LVG has rapidly been unpicked to the point where we are disappointed to not be competing for 1st and sitting comfortably in the top 4.
Mourinho, on the other hand has outlayed a similar amount of money on:
Paul Pogba
Romelu Lukaku
Nemanja Matic
Victor Lindelof
Henrikh Mkhitaryan -> Alexis Sanchez
Eric Bailly
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
All of those players, excepting Lindelof, are (or were in the case of Ibra), huge improvements to our starting XI.
Yes, after another window of (hopefully) improving upon our LB, CB and CM options he still doesn't have an expensive superstar team gelling and competing for the Premier League then we can reasonably discuss whether he is the best fit for us. But please let's look at the disastrous post-Fergie years compared to where we are now before we start calling him 'a piece of shit' as one embarrassing forum member did.
Incidentally, Moyes and LVG clearly weren't up to task but it still would be a shocking inditement of our fanbase to see them called 'pieces of shit' on here.
Funny you claim I haven't read your post well then go on and to question if I believe we have been amazing the whole season bar these 2 seasons.
Mourinho is doing poorly at the moment to put a balanced formation that features our best attackers. He had tried to push Pogba, Lingard, Martial, Lukaku and Sanchez in a single lineup, fecking up the team and leading to players like Pogba and Martial playing out of their favorite position. That's what's on him and I criticized him for that.
The rest of the season was good with 2 bad periods ( October and December ) that costed us the title challenge, but, even during these 2 bad periods we have never been that unbalanced on the field like what we were against Spurs and Newcastle. He's trying to force a lineup and formation that's simply not working. He has to change that.
But going on and saying he has done a poor job overall is lame. We're not the finished the article and still room to improve but this is overall a decent season and an improvement over what we had seen in the last 4 ones. At the moment he's doing poorly and can't link a proper attacking and defending team, but whenever we played terribly or had a shocker, some immediately transfer this to the rest of the season, which is nonsense.
We're passing through a bad period at the moment. That's what I'm going to criticize and discuss.
As much as watching a lot of films and documentaries about the Busby Babes last week triggered a lot of sadness it also makes you realise how that United has gone and we have completely sold our values. It is just boring garbage week to week in the name of 'progress' when in reality we are as far off the league as we were under Moyes and the joy of watching United has completely gone. It makes it all the more sad when we actually have the attacking talent at the club now to play beautiful football. Bring back United.
One thing that bothers me, and I asked that question during the previous two regimes we were under, is "what are we doing during the training sessions?" We don't have a clue about patterns of play, our set pieces are a complete joke, we are not pressing at all, and the players constantly look like they have finished Iron Man before every game. They are slow, have trouble with the basics of football, and most importantly are bereft of ideas. I am bringing this up because of Mkhitaryan's recent comments about Mourinho being hard on players, and demanding more of them. If he is as hard as described by Mkhi, it is safe to say that the training sessions are equally as tough and the "hard work" is being done during the week. However, week in week out we look worse as a collective unit, there is no desire and no urgency in our play.
I remember the comments when Pochettino's became Tottenham's manager, in which most of the pundits and Tottenham players were saying that the training sessions are incredibly hard in the physical sense, because Poch wants to implement hard pressing throughout the match. Fast forward to this season (but might as well be the previous campaign) and you can clearly see how Tottenham improved over the course of Pochettino's reign. We, on the other hand, look bad in terms of dynamics and play this absolute shite of a football.
I remember the comments when Pochettino's became Tottenham's manager, in which most of the pundits and Tottenham players were saying that the training sessions are incredibly hard in the physical sense, because Poch wants to implement hard pressing throughout the match. Fast forward to this season (but might as well be the previous campaign) and you can clearly see how Tottenham improved over the course of Pochettino's reign. We, on the other hand, look bad in terms of dynamics and play this absolute shite of a football.
Ive got to say I’m impressed by the mature way he handled the post match press conference on sky normally he had a bit of a paddy comes up with some nonsense to deflect from the performance, but he was mature and respectful today, that gives me hope for the future.
So you think no progress has been made since Moyes?
Very true. It's going to be a long wait though... This man isn't going anywhere
I have not been bored.
Entertainment is defined as being competitive and/or playing beautiful football. Ideally, we would like both. But atleast, unlike LvG and Moyes who were both uncompetitive and dull (LvG's FA Cup win marred by us wanting him out; I really couldn't focus on enjoying that campaign), we are competitive and have occasionally shown flashes of good football.
I fully enjoyed our EL campaign last season despite us virtually slogging through each match with tedious football. As long as we are in the CL and FA Cup, and are competing for top 4 (since title's lost anyway), I am entertained.
At the end of the day, we play some dull stuff for sure, but its' our team and its' nowhere near as bad as LvG-ball, so I look forward to our games.
We have Chelsea and Liverpool at home and palace away over the next 3 games.
We would well be 5th or 6th after them games.
If we play the same shite as we have in the last 3 games I predict ZERO points from them 3 games.
The manager needs to get the players moving and thinking.
We have no real cohesion - this is known.
We have some great individual players, and you can go quite far with those group individuals as we’ve shown this year by being second in the league and qualifying first in our Champions League group.
However, when it comes to the big games against the top 6 or so, the cracks start to appear. Relying purely on individuals is no longer conducive to success. Or, as the case may be now, when some of the individuals start to underperform it really is felt amongst the team.
Obviously, every team in the league has players who dip in form throughout the season, so it’s not something that’s special to United, but if you have a strong team cohesion and are more than the sum of your parts, you can sometimes get away with it.
It’s no coincidence that we struggle against the top teams. You simply can’t just rely on individuals to bail you out in the long term. You may get a result now and then (Arsenal away. Although our performance for the most part was poor) but more often then not you’ll come up short. That’s my worry when the Champions League kicks back in.
This is obviously on Mourinho. He need to sort it out.
We have some great individual players, and you can go quite far with those group individuals as we’ve shown this year by being second in the league and qualifying first in our Champions League group.
However, when it comes to the big games against the top 6 or so, the cracks start to appear. Relying purely on individuals is no longer conducive to success. Or, as the case may be now, when some of the individuals start to underperform it really is felt amongst the team.
Obviously, every team in the league has players who dip in form throughout the season, so it’s not something that’s special to United, but if you have a strong team cohesion and are more than the sum of your parts, you can sometimes get away with it.
It’s no coincidence that we struggle against the top teams. You simply can’t just rely on individuals to bail you out in the long term. You may get a result now and then (Arsenal away. Although our performance for the most part was poor) but more often then not you’ll come up short. That’s my worry when the Champions League kicks back in.
This is obviously on Mourinho. He need to sort it out.
When we go a goal down, you have an instant feeling that we won't win. That's worrying.
The talk about him leaving is premature garbage, though.
The talk about him leaving is premature garbage, though.
For all the crap we give Klopp on here, they have lost less games than us, scored more and play more attractive football. Comes with worse defence, but they are only 2 points worse than us. I get that Jose has a different and supposedly efficient style, but I am not sure he knows what he's doing. Every time we go behind in the away games we just fall apart. Sure there's a leadership problem, but how is he solving it? I hope I look at this post two years from now and see that I was wrong to doubt him, but right now it is not looking promising.
We're fairly uninspiring as an attacking unit which is probably the reason for that. When on form we can sometimes in a few goals in a short period of time but in general we don't manage to land sustained attacks on most teams and often go through the motions. Set up to defend once in front and we're surprisingly easy to keep at bay.
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