Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Womp]

As I said for some there's always some secret meaning and secret message in all of what Mourinho does.

He actually opened with "Scholes only criticises", but what is all that praise he said regarding Scholes as a player worth if he gonna proceed and bash Scholes for something that has nothing to do with what Scholes said? Money bullshiit and managerial success.

He was heading into right direction when he said "not everyone can be as phenomenal as Scholes" and "Paul tries his best" but he just couldn't keep it on that he had to take it to a personal level.

Tell me plain and simple was it a right or wrong from Mourinho go say those negative things he said about Scholes which also had nothing to do with the questions he was asked?

You're claiming there is no secret meaning in anything he does, yet you're completely disregarding his positive comments about Scholes - might I add, more positive than negative too. Why did he make those comments then? You can't have it both ways, you can't pick and choose when he has secret intentions.

He opened with his opinion, I really don't see the issue here, tbf I also agree that Scholes usually has negative things to say about us too. The money thing I already explained, though I'd agree with you on the managerial point. That comment was wrong, but the money comment and the Pogba comments are just being taken out of context imo.

Plain and simple? That's really subjective. Do I think they were wrong? In parts, yes, for example I think he could have chosen his words better and the managerial comment was unwarranted, but overall I think his points were valid. That being said, was Scholes wrong to make comments about Pogba not being fit? Was Keown (and you, I might add) wrong for suggesting that Jose lost the team? You have an opinion, just as everyone else does and Jose does too. That was his opinion, like I said, he could of chosen his words better, but overall simply expressing an opinion isn't wrong. So yes, he was wrong in the way he went about it, but no, he wasn't wrong in the jist of his comments.

 

[Fracture90]

You're claiming there is no secret meaning in anything he does, yet you're completely disregarding his positive comments about Scholes - might I add, more positive than negative too. Why did he make those comments then? You can't have it both ways, you can't pick and choose when he has secret intentions.

He opened with his opinion, I really don't see the issue here, tbf I also agree that Scholes usually has negative things to say about us too. The money thing I already explained, though I'd agree with you on the managerial point. That comment was wrong, but the money comment and the Pogba comments are just being taken out of context imo.

Plain and simple? That's really subjective. Do I think they were wrong? In parts, yes, for example I think he could have chosen his words better and the managerial comment was unwarranted, but overall I think his points were valid. That being said, was Scholes wrong to make comments about Pogba not being fit? Was Keown (and you, I might add) wrong for suggesting that Jose lost the team? You have an opinion, just as everyone else does and Jose does too. That was his opinion, like I said, he could of chosen his words better, but overall simply expressing an opinion isn't wrong. So yes, he was wrong in the way he went about it, but no, he wasn't wrong in the jist of his comments.

But then we can't take anything Mourinho says for granted right? In that case all that Scholes praise could have been him just saying so, softening people up before dropping the money bomb? Could be he doesn't rate Scholes at all, right?

You may not add me into that because as I said before I was just saying what pundits have said, I never voiced my opinion regard him losing his dressingroom.

Worst thing is that you know it yourself that those money and managerial success comments were pretty malicious. Scholes was the epitome of a loyal player. I've read it somewhere that he had no agent, once he even said he would sign anything UTD puts in front of him, was never a mercenary because everyone knows with his talent he could have been asking for crazy money from any club in the world.

 

[Womp]

But then we can't take anything Mourinho says for granted right? In that case all that Scholes praise could have been him just saying so, softening people up before dropping the money bomb? Could be he doesn't rate Scholes at all, right?

You may not add me into that because as I said before I was just saying what pundits have said, I never voiced my opinion regard him losing his dressingroom.

Worst thing is that you know it yourself that those money and managerial success comments were pretty malicious. Scholes was the epitome of a loyal player. I've read it somewhere that he had no agent, once he even said he would sign anything UTD puts in front of him, was never a mercenary because everyone knows with his talent he could have been asking for crazy money from any club in the world.

If you want to believe he made those comments with the intention to soften people up, you're allowed to. That's your opinion, but to pick and choose when he has secret intentions to suit an argument is off the mark imo. He might not rate Scholes at all, you're right, but I find that scenario a lot less plausible than him simply responding to what Scholes said, even if he did present himself it as a tit.

I know very well what Scholes was like, he's my favourite ever United player, I know all about his loyalty etc. That being said, he has begun to talk much more now that he's a pundit, thus as a result his opinions will also be further discussed. I already said Jose's managerial comment was wrong, but was it anymore wrong than Scholes suggesting Pogba doesn't look after himself, or basically suggesting he's not worth the money we paid for him? I really don't think it is. As I said, both have opinions and both were shared, albeit Jose could have been more sensitive with how he presented his. It's really not that big a deal, I really don't know why it blew up the way it did.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

But Poch builds his teams from the dirt?

 

[mike bird]

But Poch builds his teams from the dirt?

That is what they want you to believe.

 

[Dorian Gray]

"Some managers have good friends in the right chairs and I don't have them"
Which club is he talking about here?

 

[Donnie Brasco]

Interesting, since join their clubs*, each managers spending:

Pochettino = 250m - 0 trophies

Klopp 283m - 0 trophies

Conte 306m - 1 league title

Wenger (*since Pochettino join Spurs) 252m - 2 trophies

Pep 380m - 0 trophies now 1st

Josè 295m - 2 trophies now 2nd


So compared to our revenues, status and general income we are spending the least of all our contenders. Just proof that the Mourinho comments on our spending are spot on and I wouldn't hold against him if he walks in the summer. We also had the worse squad of all the teams on that list.

Looking at those figures and trophies are just proof that he is still the special one and is overachieving wth this squad.

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

That really bothers me. Sure you could call it classic Mourinho shifting attention away from the players, but it makes the club look like a bitter joke. Mourinho just isn't the same cheeky fox he was when he first came to England.

This side of him isn't changing, I'm afraid. So for the sake of all involved, we better start putting some green blocks on the form board

 

[sammsky1]

If these numbers are right, it makes a very strong point and justifies his transfer investment comments the other day, especially as most of LVG's signings have not delivered as expected.

It seems Mourinho is over delivering vis a vis the resources at his disposal. Likewise it’s concerning that the board is not backing him in the market as a club of our resources should. Mourinho has every right to pressure the board into allocating significantly more funds, if they expect him to deliver the PL or CL.

 

[Son Of Sam]

How do the other managers do it then? Truth is there is still plenty to play for this season but a lot of our players look shot.

Are you really comparing the other managers of other clubs to Man Utd? Is there any real pressure for Klopp, Pochettino or Wenger to win the league title? Wenger hasn’t won it in 14 seasons now and he still has the job.

It’s a different pressure for Man Utd managers. I think we are expected to win it every season regardless of the circumstances. If we turn up with only 9 fit players, there are pundits who still think we must win because we are Man Utd.

That’s the striking difference.

 

[dichinero]

"Some managers have good friends in the right chairs and I don't have them"
Which club is he talking about here?

Another one.

 

[#07]

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I hope after that result against Everton the penny has finally dropped on him and he realises what his team is good at and what it is not. I’m just amazed that it’s taken him 18 months to work this out when most knew it before he had even arrived and bought Pogba and so on. Just ridiculous. Fully expecting this team to turn back to negative tactics with hoofball reinstated as soon as Lukaku, Zlatan and Felli are back.

I honestly just can’t wrap my head around how he hasn’t seen this in the time he has been here, it’s like he had tunnel vision.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

I hope after that result against Everton the penny has finally dropped on him and he realises what his team is good at and what it is not. I’m just amazed that it’s taken him 18 months to work this out when most knew it before he had even arrived and bought Pogba and so on. Just ridiculous. Fully expecting this team to turn back to negative tactics with hoofball reinstated as soon as Lukaku, Zlatan and Felli are back.

I honestly just can’t wrap my head around how he hasn’t seen this in the time he has been here, it’s like he had tunnel vision.

Not really that surprising. Last season, Pogba was hit and miss and we didn't have a proper DM.

This season, we added Matic and probably hoped to play a 3 man midfield to allow Pogba the freedom to get further forward however, certain circumstances haven't allowed this:
1) Injuries to Carrick, Fellaini and Pogba, himself.
2) The liability Herrera has become.

Now, if one the above had not occurred this season, we'd have been able to implement the best formation to get the best out of Pogba. So, I don't think it's a case of "why has it taken 18 months". More, Mourinho knows how to get the best out of him, he just doesn't have the resources to do so.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

If you want to believe he made those comments with the intention to soften people up, you're allowed to. That's your opinion, but to pick and choose when he has secret intentions to suit an argument is off the mark imo. He might not rate Scholes at all, you're right, but I find that scenario a lot less plausible than him simply responding to what Scholes said, even if he did present himself it as a tit.

I know very well what Scholes was like, he's my favourite ever United player, I know all about his loyalty etc. That being said, he has begun to talk much more now that he's a pundit, thus as a result his opinions will also be further discussed. I already said Jose's managerial comment was wrong, but was it anymore wrong than Scholes suggesting Pogba doesn't look after himself, or basically suggesting he's not worth the money we paid for him? I really don't think it is. As I said, both have opinions and both were shared, albeit Jose could have been more sensitive with how he presented his. It's really not that big a deal, I really don't know why it blew up the way it did.

Just regarding Scholes asked question why Pogba is not performing at his best. He said it could be due to a number of reasons. Personally I think the last few games before Everton was just bad form and mainly mental things. I think physically Pogba have looked good, but he has not mentally been right.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Not really that surprising. Last season, Pogba was hit and miss and we didn't have a proper DM.

This season, we added Matic and probably hoped to play a 3 man midfield to allow Pogba the freedom to get further forward however, certain circumstances haven't allowed this:
1) Injuries to Carrick, Fellaini and Pogba, himself.
2) The liability Herrera has become.

Now, if one the above had not occurred this season, we'd have been able to implement the best formation to get the best out of Pogba. So, I don't think it's a case of "why has it taken 18 months". More, Mourinho knows how to get the best out of him, he just doesn't have the resources to do so.

Pretty sure as soon as the season started and those guys were fit it was still 4231 and it was only in October last year when he remembered he had Carrick and started playing 3 in midfield then he stopped it by Christmas even tho we suddenly were getting the best out of Pogba.

Also umm Carrick is a DM and was one of the best in the league, not to mention although not amazing we had Blind and he has also played Miki there so I’m not buying this not having the personnel to do it.

Still doesn’t explain his poor use of our wide players and fullbacks.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Pretty sure as soon as the season started and those guys were fit it was still 4231 and it was only in October last year when he remembered he had Carrick and started playing 3 in midfield then he stopped it by Christmas even tho we suddenly were getting the best out of Pogba.

Also umm Carrick is a DM and was one of the best in the league, not to mention although not amazing we had Blind and he has also played Miki there so I’m not buying this not having the personnel to do it.

Still doesn’t explain his poor use of our wide players and fullbacks.

Mourinho started Carrick a lot last season - IIRC went went on a 25 unbeaten run in games that Carrick started. So, yeah, we weren't shy of using the 4-3-3 last season. And 35 year old Carrick isn't the best anything in the league. He's a very useful player but miles from the best. As for Blind, he's never going to be good enough as a DM, we saw how Bristol City absolutely destroyed him recently and I hope we never see that again.

I do agree that we could have started with a 3 man midfield at the beginning of the season, however, you should the Herrera thread when we signed Matic - many agreed, even then, that he'd probably only feature in most of the big games. Moreover, we started with 4-3-3 against Real in the Super Cup and Herrera was abysmal. We scrapped it against West Ham and Mkhi was really good in that game, in fact the Armenian had a great start to the season and didn't deserved to be dropped in favour of a formation change. It's only when his form dropped did we lose our creativity which was further exaggerated by the loss of Pogba.

Like I said, he knows how to get the best out of Pogba and if we had a fully fit midfield, we may have seen a 4-3-3 soon after Mkhi went to crap. As for the fullbacks, Shaw, Young and Valencia have been very good this season so that's not really an issue. As for the wide players, they're hit and miss. Martial and Rashford have contributed well this season, they're inconsistent, yes, but they're also very young.

 

[Stacks]

But Poch builds his teams from the dirt?

Interesting, since join their clubs*, each managers spending:

Pochettino = 250m - 0 trophies

Klopp 283m - 0 trophies

Conte 306m - 1 league title

Wenger (*since Pochettino join Spurs) 252m - 2 trophies

Pep 380m - 0 trophies now 1st

Josè 295m - 2 trophies now 2nd


So compared to our revenues, status and general income we are spending the least of all our contenders. Just proof that the Mourinho comments on our spending are spot on and I wouldn't hold against him if he walks in the summer. We also had the worse squad of all the teams on that list.

Looking at those figures and trophies are just proof that he is still the special one and is overachieving wth this squad.

If these numbers are right, it makes a very strong point and justifies his transfer investment comments the other day, especially as most of LVG's signings have not delivered as expected.

It seems Mourinho is over delivering vis a vis the resources at his disposal. Likewise it’s concerning that the board is not backing him in the market as a club of our resources should. Mourinho has every right to pressure the board into allocating significantly more funds, if they expect him to deliver the PL or CL.

Whats the net movement? If you have to sell a lot to buy, essentially you are roster swapping and not bolstering your ranks through excess spending. If you have higher net then you add the quality to what you already have.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Whats the net movement? If you have to sell a lot to buy, essentially you are roster swapping and not bolstering your ranks through excess spending. If you have higher net then you add the quality to what you already have.

Not necessarily. As with Tottenham, quite a few of their outgoings are failures - Janssen, Chadli, Sodaldo etc. who have been replaced by better players such as Son, Lamela and Llorente. I think their net spend is pretty even, though.

 

[Stacks]

Not necessarily. As with Tottenham, quite a few of their outgoings are failures - Janssen, Chadli, Sodaldo etc. who have been replaced by better players such as Son, Lamela and Llorente. I think their net spend is pretty even, though.

Small sample. Spurs have a light squad. Its evident when they have injuries. If you can add players to your squad freely, over time you will have more success than having to sell to buy. You have to be far more shrewd with your signings and of course try and get as much money from your flops as possible. Basically old Arsenal. Its much more difficult to strengthen positions organically or look for "bargains." Not many of those listed can just buy a Pogba for 89 million or a striker for 75mill. its incomparable. Those sides have to find attacking players for 30 odd mill "in this market" as was mentioned.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Small sample. Spurs have a light squad. Its evident when they have injuries. If you can add players to your squad freely, over time you will have more success than having to sell to buy. You have to be far more shrewd with your signings and of course try and get as much money from your flops as possible. Basically old Arsenal. Its much more difficult to strengthen positions organically or look for "bargains." Not many of those listed can just buy a Pogba for 89 million or a striker for 75mill. its incomparable. Those sides have to find attacking players for 30 odd mill "in this market" as was mentioned.

17/18:

Transfers In:

Sanchez (36m)
Aurier (22m)
Llorente (14m)
Foyth (12m)

Transfers Out:

Walker (46m)
Wimmer (17m)
Bentaleb (17m)
N'Jie (6m)
Fazio (3m)
Jannsen (loan)

16/17:

Transfers In:

Sissoko (32m)
Jannsen (19m)
Wanyama (13m)
N'Koudou (10m)

Transfers Out:

Mason (14m)
Chadli (14m)
Pritchard (9m)
Yedlin (5m)
Carroll (5m)

Last two seasons transfers show just how much deadwood they've shipped out. Bar Walker, the rest were pretty average, if not worse. I agree that they may not be able to buy the Pogba's of this world but that's not down to them not being able to afford slightly more expensive players but rather the fact that a lot of those players will not choose Tottenham over others - Willian, for example. As for their incoming transfers, a lot of them turn out to be useless anyway which leads to the lack of depth/quality of depth.

source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tot...48/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

 

[Stacks]

17/18:

Transfers In:

Sanchez (36m)
Aurier (22m)
Llorente (14m)
Foyth (12m)

Transfers Out:

Walker (46m)
Wimmer (17m)
Bentaleb (17m)
N'Jie (6m)
Fazio (3m)
Jannsen (loan)

16/17:

Transfers In:

Sissoko (32m)
Jannsen (19m)
Wanyama (13m)
N'Koudou (10m)

Transfers Out:

Mason (14m)
Chadli (14m)
Pritchard (9m)
Yedlin (5m)
Carroll (5m)

Last two seasons transfers show just how much deadwood they've shipped out. Bar Walker, the rest were pretty average, if not worse. I agree that they may not be able to buy the Pogba's of this world but that's not down to them not being able to afford slightly more expensive players but rather the fact that a lot of those players will not choose Tottenham over others - Willian, for example. As for their incoming transfers, a lot of them turn out to be useless anyway which leads to the lack of depth/quality of depth.

source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tot...48/plus/0?saison_id=2016&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

I trust the figures.
Spurs cannot afford a Pogba. Would literally leave them dry and relying on youth players. The sum of their entire set don't amount to his fee each season. Means you can't generate much competition for places, hard to improve on positions you already have and little squad depth. Sure fire way to stagnation, especially when your rivals can actually strengthen the positions they need with hard cash.

 

[roonster09]

Whats the net movement? If you have to sell a lot to buy, essentially you are roster swapping and not bolstering your ranks through excess spending. If you have higher net then you add the quality to what you already have.

Not exactly true. There are lot of examples where some youth player who was always on loan was shipped for good fee, that doesn't mean squad is light.

 

[#07]

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Mourinho started Carrick a lot last season - IIRC went went on a 25 unbeaten run in games that Carrick started. So, yeah, we weren't shy of using the 4-3-3 last season. And 35 year old Carrick isn't the best anything in the league. He's a very useful player but miles from the best. As for Blind, he's never going to be good enough as a DM, we saw how Bristol City absolutely destroyed him recently and I hope we never see that again.

It took him until October to recognise he needed to play a 433 to get the best out of Pogba. It looks pretty obvious that he wanted to be a 4231, Carrick on form how many have been better than him over the last 5 years? Very few if any, his footballing IQ and ability is beyond your casual fans understanding. Hence why so many people used to say he was rubbish blah blah blah. Truth is an absolutely great player that if he was playing for Barca or something would be heralded. Iniesta and Xavi gave him the seal of approval as one of their toughest opponents.

I do agree that we could have started with a 3 man midfield at the beginning of the season, however, you should the Herrera thread when we signed Matic - many agreed, even then, that he'd probably only feature in most of the big games. Moreover, we started with 4-3-3 against Real in the Super Cup and Herrera was abysmal. We scrapped it against West Ham and Mkhi was really good in that game, in fact the Armenian had a great start to the season and didn't deserved to be dropped in favour of a formation change. It's only when his form dropped did we lose our creativity which was further exaggerated by the loss of Pogba.

Like I said, he knows how to get the best out of Pogba and if we had a fully fit midfield, we may have seen a 4-3-3 soon after Mkhi went to crap. As for the fullbacks, Shaw, Young and Valencia have been very good this season so that's not really an issue. As for the wide players, they're hit and miss. Martial and Rashford have contributed well this season, they're inconsistent, yes, but they're also very young.

Problem we have is that Jose seems to have bottled it and won’t play a 433 to its strengths. Last few games he seems to opened it up a bit but last season and early this season it was awful. Basically strangled us with his own tactics.

 

[el3mel]

 

[Andycoleno9]

So about a draw at anfield where liverpool had one chance? Still bad result?

 

[meamth]

So after tonight's match, I have serious questions for Mourinho:

1. How is Luke Shaw doing and if he is the first choice LB for Man Utd?
2. Where will Sanchez play in the game vs Stoke if he was there?
3. What happens to Mikhi after Sanchez arrived?
4. How is Martial doing so far in his plans?

 

[Sigma]

I don't know where to put this:

 

[Womp]

I don't know where to put this:

 

[Hed Zitin]

One of those FIFA muppets I see.

 

[kouroux]

I would love a journo to have the courage or the intelligence to ask our this short corner policy he's got us going on in each match. I am not sure any of his previous teams were doing it so much

 

[SwansonsTache]

Stop the ridiculous 4231 ffs.

 

[Yagami]

I would love a journo to have the courage or the intelligence to ask our this short corner policy he's got us going on in each match. I am not sure any of his previous teams were doing it so much

I'd assume that's because of the whole him leaving the attackers to do their own thing. Signing Alexis will obviously improve us as, in my opinion, he's the best player in the league, but he's not going to suddenly transform us into a cohesive attacking unit, in my opinion. I really hope José gets in a proper attacking coach sooner rather than later.

 

[haram]

I do not understand why he has gone for Mata instead of Fellaini. Especially with Pogba getting into advanced positions.

 

[kouroux]

I'd assume that's because of the whole him leaving the attackers to do their own thing. Signing Alexis will obviously improve us as, in my opinion, he's the best player in the league, but he's not going to suddenly transform us into a cohesive attacking unit, in my opinion. I really hope José gets in a proper attacking coach sooner rather than later.

I honestly don't understand. It creates nothing and often is the start of dangerous counter attacks.

 

[Yagami]

I do not understand why he has gone for Mata instead of Fellaini. Especially with Pogba getting into advanced positions.

Maybe Fellaini isn't ready for 90 mins or José wants to stick with a winning formation/XI (bar Shaw).

I honestly don't understand. It creates nothing and often is the start of dangerous counter attacks.

Same - can't stand them.

 

[haram]

Maybe Fellaini isn't ready for 90 mins or José wants to stick with a winning formation/XI (bar Shaw).

Same - can't stand them.

There was warning signs against Stoke. I hope he changes it.

 

[Idxomer]

Our lines are very far from each other again, players pass the ball and just run away from it. Just bizarre stuff, stop being scared and start playing them like a team, not some employees who seem not to like each other much and just there to do a task.

 

[kouroux]

Maybe Fellaini isn't ready for 90 mins or José wants to stick with a winning formation/XI (bar Shaw).

Same - can't stand them.

Have you noticed that no one in the media even mentions them lol You would think the way they love to criticize the team, they'd have picked it up by now