I've stopped trying to convince people that Pep inherited a great City team. The points you make are similar to what I've posted before, people are looking at City now and think this is what Pep inherited. Rather we need to look back to the summer of 2016, and that City team was pretty average. We laughed at the likes of Otamendi, Mangala and Sterling, Fernandinho was average, and supposedly Silva and Aguero were both over the hill, and this was at a time when we all rated the likes of Shaw and Herrera, and Martial and Rashford were considered superior to Sterling/Sane. We laughed at £50m for Stones. Yet all these City players are now performing because Pep has them working in a system, and proper tactics.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Maybe the last time he saw him play was with the U18sPogba has improved?
To be honest, it seems like Mourinho's famous "3rd season collapse" is happening already in his 2nd season.
At this point, United might actually finish outside top 4
If Mkhitaryan was playing under Pep, he would have been absolutely phenomenal like he was at BVB the season before he came to Man United.
At this point, United might actually finish outside top 4
If Mkhitaryan was playing under Pep, he would have been absolutely phenomenal like he was at BVB the season before he came to Man United.
The Fulham game with 81 crosses stands out.
Didn't we have 60+ against Burnley a few days ago
Probably did and Lukaku nowhere near any of them. Our attack is all over the place.Didn't we have 60+ against Burnley a few days ago
Against Burnley we went for that record but managed "only" 51
Exactly, Mourinho just did his usual moaning to deflect blame from himself, and some people just took it as gospel.
Southampton looked to have more composure and passing ability than our side, and that should not be happening. You don't need a team full of WC players to build a cohesive team that can do the basics right. None of the players seemed to know what to do, instead just passing the ball wide and then gathering in a group in the box for a cross, and playing in the most outdated and amatuerish way possible.
I would get rid at the end of the season. He blatantly doesn't want to be here and his attitude and misery disgusts me.
We're still shit.. he still hasn't been able to come up with a new plan. Now he says we won't get signings to patch over it, either.
We'll probably lose to Derby as well, no doubt their players will be well up for it.
We'll probably lose to Derby as well, no doubt their players will be well up for it.
Mourinho just looks bereft of that incredible charisma he once had. I was never a huge fan of him, but you can't deny he was somewhat "special" I suppose.
Ever since that 3rd season at Real, he's not been the same at all. He picks out fights with people randomly. Says overly negative comments regarding his club during pressers. Puts down the confidence of his players. Sets up teams even more-so defensively than before. Still has an archaic structure for constructing build-up play. I mean how many times did just 1 Soton player press us today and we resorted to hoofs from the back. Like wtf? Seems to buying more and more duds lately in the transfer window and hasn't been able to get the best of talented players in attack.
We've looked awful since the City game.
Ever since that 3rd season at Real, he's not been the same at all. He picks out fights with people randomly. Says overly negative comments regarding his club during pressers. Puts down the confidence of his players. Sets up teams even more-so defensively than before. Still has an archaic structure for constructing build-up play. I mean how many times did just 1 Soton player press us today and we resorted to hoofs from the back. Like wtf? Seems to buying more and more duds lately in the transfer window and hasn't been able to get the best of talented players in attack.
We've looked awful since the City game.
Been mentioned a lot. Whether it's fair or not, a lot of people think Madrid broke him. People point to the couple trophies he's won at Chelsea and the couple with us since then but somethings different with him for sure.
Can we actually sack someone before we don't qualify for the CL please?
Oh I forgot we have to pay more in compensation if we do that. That's what matters....
Oh I forgot we have to pay more in compensation if we do that. That's what matters....
He's just not the same at all. I think his ego took a big hit after that season. Real were awful in La Liga. He had countless bust-ups with the players and the whole Casillas thing. They failed to win in the CL again. Lost the CDR final vs Atletico. It was an awful season all-around.
Who would you bring in though?
I'm not for Jose staying either if we fail to make top 4. But I don't know if I'd sack him mid-season. Unless this free-fall we're on somewhat completely escalates. But even then, no idea who the club would bring in.
The idea is that, Pochettino or Sarri would magically get the likes of Mkhi, Mata, Lingard, Rashford and Martial to play a lot of pretty passes and score 150 league goals. I suppose they would never demand their own signings as well, or perhaps decide that our attack is, in fact, quite average and needs upgrading.
Not saying Jose is blameless, mind you. But now is not the time to sack the manager, but to overhaul the squad.
No one expects him to be the guy of 2004 but he is so glum these days. Where is his fire?
Sarri and Tuchel both play attractive football. I'm sick of these managers and the dire football.
Why is he so depressed looking these days? It’s exhausting to watch and listen to him.
I feel like I got played, again.
Yeah, you know no better, you say you're different
Yeah, you know no better, you say you're different
I would love Sarri, but I doubt he leaves Napoli. I think he'd be silly to do so.
Tuchel is interesting, but the way he left Dortmud is somewhat alarming.
This. I was hoping after his Chelsea debacle, he'd be extremely fired up and eager to prove a point.
He just seems out of it.
Of course we need to spend too and improve the squad further, no doubt about that. We could really do with one big signing too. But Jose hasn't shown anything that he should be the guy on the top of that change. He has spend big in 2 windows now and the improvements are way too small, why should it be different with the third time, especially when he has a history of making things worse after the second season. And no Jose shouldn't be sacked now, but at the end of the season we have to make a decision.
I don't blame them for underperforming either. Imagine how deflated they felt when Jose came out publicly and said that he doesn't have the players to compete for the title. That's just a diabolical thing to say. How can any of his players buy into what he's trying to sell them when he says that?
I was thinking the exact thing. Might have lost the locker room.
All of this is, of course, entirely true, and I'm absolute sure anyone who bothered to look back through would find boatloads of posts to back up that this was the general sentiment here back then. The revisionism as this season has progressed has been nothing short of fascinating to watch.
Anyways, regarding Mourinho, he looks entirely out of ideas, much like Van Gaal did two years hence. Where's his fire and spark? Where's the guy who'd dig in, unite the fans and the players against everyone else? It's absolutely clear at this point that this team can be better than what we're seeing at the moment, and it's so utterly disappointing that Jose isn't looking like the guy to get us there, either. I mean, does anyone really have the energy to start over again, from scratch, with another guy at this point?
You should quit watching football.
Pogba looked better at Jufe because he was playing alongside world class players, statistically he's not far off what he produced at Juve from an individual perspective, but when the team fails and he's the big money marquee name he inevitably get's the flack for it.
Man city have bought better I'm not questioning that, but Mourinho isn't responsible for the Moyes/LVG debacle. I think he's bought well for the most part and trust him going forward.
Yeah the backtracking and moving goalposts is annoying. At the beginning of the season everyone thought we had the squad to compete with city and now we're suddenly skint and a plucky underdog coming up against evil empire City. Anything not to criticise the manager, it's RAWKish
Well, he managed to get Hazard, Costa, Fabregas and Pedro etc to play like a midtable side. He is just a bellend that lays blame on his players.
Well, he managed to get Hazard, Costa, Fabregas and Pedro etc to play like a midtable side.
He is certainly not the same manager. People talk about his premier league win with Chelsea, but they didn't impress very much during most of the seasons if people remember. Started the season on fire kind of like us(similar amounts of points gained), but then played for draws in the big games. Got those draws though at the start while beating the smaller teams and getting a lead over City early on. Around christmas we had third place under LVG playing even more dire football making him look good. City was also a lot up and down. He failed in the cup in games he should have won. PSG knocked them out with 10 men from the champions league. Had a lot of dire results during the spring, but grinded out the win having a healthy lead while City collapsed even more and we even did go past them getting a big derby win for a short time.
He seem to be able to fire teams up for the second seasons, but don't improve near the end recently. Past trends is a worry. I just think he builds up far too much negative energy from all games and it effects the team in a negative way.
He seem to be able to fire teams up for the second seasons, but don't improve near the end recently. Past trends is a worry. I just think he builds up far too much negative energy from all games and it effects the team in a negative way.
He also completely bossed the league with them and won it with 5 games to spare.
Things that he has "implemented" that I dont get.
- Anyone nearest to the ball taking a corner. What the hell?
- Very very poor pressing. The ease of which teams get to the edge of our box every game is shocking.
- Insistance on creating crossing opportunities when we clearly arent very good at them.
- Slow buildup
He was brought in to steady the incredibly shaky ship (which he did), to give the squad a bit of an overhaul and an identity (which he has half done) and to bring some major silverware (league cup and Europa league was a promising start). No one could have accounted for such a blistering City side but with the level of investment made we feel way off the pace.
Many were prepared to put up with Jose's pragmatic style of football if It meant we challenged for major honours again, but now both the football AND the results aren't up to scratch there's little to feel positive about. He has to weather this bad patch and come out the other side. But has daddy's hat fallen off and is he just standing there naked?
Many were prepared to put up with Jose's pragmatic style of football if It meant we challenged for major honours again, but now both the football AND the results aren't up to scratch there's little to feel positive about. He has to weather this bad patch and come out the other side. But has daddy's hat fallen off and is he just standing there naked?
Wrong. Everyone said when he was brought in, that he was brought in to win the biggest trophies, not tinpot cups.
People are more willing to put up with his football if we was only a couple of points behind City, but not this many points.
He has flopped at United if he leaves at the end of the season, stop trying to defend him and admit the truth.. he was never OUR Jose, he was Chelseas.
How about we go and find our own Jose Mourinho? a young and up-and-coming manager like Chelsea did?
The real damage might have been done as far back as that diabolical game at Anfield. The momentum was high and we were scoring goals, how would you feel to be told as a player then that you're only good enough to try and nullify Liverpool and maybe if you can try to sneak a goal on the break or from a set piece? Even if they'd won that game playing that way, it's difficult to shake off the inferiority complex.
Did you bother to read the rest of the post or just the opening line? You'll see that in the very same sentence that I mention he was also brought in to win major silverware. He was also brought in to steady the ship after a few disastrous campaigns under we know who, the two objectives aren't mutually exclusive.
Embarrassing doesn't begin to cover it.
Absolutely spot on! The mentality of our players wasn't there same after that game. It visibly nosedived. Just thinking about that game brings out my rage.
1. We saw stranger thing under LVG. Cough... Jones taking corner and migdnet in the box attacking aerial ball. It has been quite a long time since we have a good set piece taker.
2. The team is ill fit for pressing. I meant. You would have to accept that Lingard who can be very frustrating is one of the better player when we are to press hide. Mata, Martial lack intensity. Mkhi just doesn't bother. Rashford is inconsistent and both Martial and Rashford in same team trying to support Lukaku doesn't work well. Both Martial & Rashford tend to go central when the chance comes. That lead it to point 3, where it leave the full back to be the only wide player at time. We have long lack good crosser.
3. The front men ill fit for stretch play themselves (lack real winger) nor tidy in tight area (this is not exclusive to Lukaku who has the main target for this accusation. Rashford, Lingard, Mkhi all have been frustrating).
4. When we go too direct, it's another problem with us not good enough to get thing out of it. Trying to be collective, we're slow building up. There is a point you can say it's the squad at the whole, not tactic. The balance it not right.
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