Agree with this, except I wouldn't say Chelsea did the same. It was us who sat back while they dominated possession, and they created more chances. Typical Mourinho football in big games.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Are you telling me that the manager who is widely regarded as one of the top 3 managers in the world isn't capable of coaching any form of attacking football that isn't hoof it up front and just cross it till oblivion?
Stop deluding yourself because our squad is more than good enough to beat the likes of Burnley, Southampton and Leicester and others.
Extremely boring and negative at the moment. Progress is extremely slow but I do feel it's worth standing by him. We'll need patience and at least the same spent again
Bollocks. Pep has transformed players like Sterling while Martial has gone backwards under Jose. Every single one of Pep's signings have been brilliant while Jose has brought in clowns like Mkhitaryan. It's absolute tosh to say "Oh well City were under-performing so the gap between us and then is just them finding there level" and forgetting the £300m Jose has spent he inherited a shit squad"
He just isn't delivering the goods!! Martial, Pogba, Rashford, Lukaku...they are good players that are all under-performing! Has anyone come on really well since Jose was appointed? The football has improved slightly but christ look at that tonight.
Is there a single player that has improved under him? Can only think of Valencia. And probably Rojo.
Young ?
We were stats paddling against the lower sides by catching them on the counter mostly, something we're not able anymore.
Azpilicueta was called the best defender in the league before Conte arrived, utter nonsense he wasn't good enough.
Rojo/Pogba/Rashford/Lingard/Valencia have all improved.
Yep. Fair enough.
What a bunch of nonsense. Martial hasn't gone backwards and Pep has bought plenty of duds. At least one of them has been already sold.
It's not even that we failed to beat them but rather our inability to put them under any pressure - they were the better team all things considered and had best chances of the game only for DDG to save us. That's the main point here imo.
A time comes in nearly every manager's career where they become outdated. We can officially say that Jose Mourinho is a dinosaur.
Its sad because I'm still a fan but he's no longer the genius he once was.
Its sad because I'm still a fan but he's no longer the genius he once was.
That's exactly when you make changes!! If we won just 4 games in a row we'd probably be second again. Why on earth would we wait before we're fecking about outside the top 4 places? Sacking the manager might not be the answer but something seriously has to change. I think it's Jose creating this toxic atmosphere. At the moment he's everything we feared he could be all at once; negative, childish, tactless, temperamental.
I think most of the defenders have improved, while most of the attacker have regressed, says a lot his way of football tbh
Lukaku always has scored in spurts. Mkhitaryan has always been like this even under Klopp. Rashford is massively overrated on here and no where good enough to start. Martial is inconsistent.
- Pep Guardiola has an attacking system for Man City
- Antonio Conte has an attacking system for Chelsea
- Jurgen Klopp has an attacking system for Liverpool.
- Poch has an attacking system for Tottenham.
- Wenger has an attacking system for Arsenal.
Unfortunaly, I can't really say the same regarding Mourinho since Man Utd are fully dependet on individual actions to create something.
If that fails, then it's alls about crossing it and having Lukaku to get header.
- Antonio Conte has an attacking system for Chelsea
- Jurgen Klopp has an attacking system for Liverpool.
- Poch has an attacking system for Tottenham.
- Wenger has an attacking system for Arsenal.
Unfortunaly, I can't really say the same regarding Mourinho since Man Utd are fully dependet on individual actions to create something.
If that fails, then it's alls about crossing it and having Lukaku to get header.
Pogba has improved
?Good post. Whisper it quietly, though.
Exactly, yet Mournho said after the Burnley match that we were better and should have won that game.
Martial was twice the player in his first season. This manager barely gives him a start. If the fans are going to be so blind so what's happening we have no hope at all.
Are we seriously saying the current gap between City and United is down to the fact Pep inherited a better squad? He 100% did inherit a better squad, but United and City were level on points. The gap now is extraordinary, we literally aren't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as them.
This. Only this.
Fully agree. Amazing how some people say that Mourinho needs another £200 million to beat Southampton.
Pep Guardiola really has improved a lot of players, the likes of Sterling, Stones, Otamendi, Fernandhino are playing at a different level.
Mourinho defenders remind me a lot of Wenger defenders which is why I'm irritated I guess. Some people simply cannot accept that sometimes the manager is actually to blame.
Today didn't feel like it was a tactics problem, it felt like a side that wasn't playing for the manager anymore, perhaps tired of his moods and negative style, but something is off.
I wouldn't give the guy any money if i was the Glazers, it's obvious he's a bad fit and Jose and United isn't long-term, why deny something we all know deep down (even the board)? He's not settled in Manchester either (hence him still living in a hotel) why waste money?
Trouble is at United we wait until the end of the season to get rid, it may be too late then, bring in Carlo Ancelotti for the rest of the season and go all out for Pochettino at the end of the season.
Change of managers give clubs that boost more times than not, look at Palace/Everton.
Trouble is at United we wait until the end of the season to get rid, it may be too late then, bring in Carlo Ancelotti for the rest of the season and go all out for Pochettino at the end of the season.
Change of managers give clubs that boost more times than not, look at Palace/Everton.
Young was decent when he played under LVG too. It's just that he's so injury prone, that he becomes a massive scapegoat when he's somehow not even on the pitch yet the central reason we're so shit.
Saw quotes of his post match comments and they are very peculiar. How is he happy with his players after that performance? He doesn't have to slate them but he could say that 'my players tried but didn't play well today, im disappointed with the performance' etc. He seems to be almost acting sarcastically in his post match interviews and press conferences, almost wumming to avoid anyone picking up on anything negative.
Our main problem since Fergie left is that we have had three managers with footballing philosophies that just aren't United. Moyes (Nobody knows but it involved a lot of crossing) LVG (Possession - score a goal - hold the ball until the final whistle) and now Mourinho (Defensive tactics). None of these managers had a philosophy that suits United and the problem now is who is available that does. I'm not calling for Mourinho to be sacked but I can't see him taking United to where we want to be. We've tried Mourinho and it doesn't look like it's working.
Our main problem since Fergie left is that we have had three managers with footballing philosophies that just aren't United. Moyes (Nobody knows but it involved a lot of crossing) LVG (Possession - score a goal - hold the ball until the final whistle) and now Mourinho (Defensive tactics). None of these managers had a philosophy that suits United and the problem now is who is available that does. I'm not calling for Mourinho to be sacked but I can't see him taking United to where we want to be. We've tried Mourinho and it doesn't look like it's working.
Simply saying that he inherited a shit squad is just a lazy excuse, sure there are a few players who are not good enough and we do need to address a few positions, but to me our problems run deeper. I can't see how the team we put out today was not not good enough to beat Southampton, or Leicester or Burnley (who were missing some key players). We have the talent needed to beat teams like this at least, we just don't have any cohesion in our play, and that is down to the manager.
More goals than Arsenal/Spurs/Chelsea with less talented forwards.
Yes because Bravo was a massive success wasn't he? Nolito another world beater, maybe go back to last season and read the weekly reviews of John Stones performances. Why didn't Pep spend time and improve Hart or Bony or Dzeko or Jovetic? All of whom cost big money. He binned them all because they weren't good enough and signed his own players.
Pep walks into Man City were he has England's no 1 goalkeeper earning 100k+ pw and decides he's not good enough so loans him out to Italy whilst subsidising wages and buys the Barca keeper who get's put on a 4 year deal despite being 33 at another 100k+ pw, after 1 season decides he's also not good enough and spends 40m on a 3rd goalkeeper while still paying for Hart/Bravo to twiddle their thumbs. City currently paying 300k+ pw on keepers, how many clubs can compete with that type of spending not just on fee's but wages too? If Pep was in the job at Liverpool or Spurs he'd have to work with what he's got.
Stat padding, right.
Team's morale and motivation looks shite at the moment. Think Mourinho deserves the blame for not being able to drag the players farther to play after that derby loss. He should have taken that lose as a method to motivate the players to get their revenge later on, but the team fell completely.
Still early and I'm sure we'll hit a good form again sooner or later, but at that period there so much wrong in the team and Mourinho should find a way to drag the players from this and get them on the track till we pass this period, before things got even worse.
Still early and I'm sure we'll hit a good form again sooner or later, but at that period there so much wrong in the team and Mourinho should find a way to drag the players from this and get them on the track till we pass this period, before things got even worse.
Moaning about transfers and generally being negative is bound to run through the squad for various reasons. We currently aren't getting the funny and cocky Mourinho, we are getting the Emo one.
I'm more concerned that he has absolutely no plan B though. His tactics are failing more often than not, but rather than assess that he just keeps saying we need to spend more.
I believe in Jose. He will get it right.
But I certainly don't believe in these tactics.
He has to push Pogba up and gamble more; like he did against Burnley eventually. We need players to show leadership.
The problem is each player takes so long to make decisions; not enough quick passing. No cohesion.
I think the City game has psychologically had a bigger impact than many could have ever imagined and the players have gradually lost confidence.
The absolute state of Keown wanting Wenger's arm round the shoulder when Fergie was famous for rollickings!
But I certainly don't believe in these tactics.
He has to push Pogba up and gamble more; like he did against Burnley eventually. We need players to show leadership.
The problem is each player takes so long to make decisions; not enough quick passing. No cohesion.
I think the City game has psychologically had a bigger impact than many could have ever imagined and the players have gradually lost confidence.
The absolute state of Keown wanting Wenger's arm round the shoulder when Fergie was famous for rollickings!
Pogba has improved
Everyone around the country was singing his praises before the hamstring injury, not shocked that people forget since football has become the ultimate "what have you done lately" circus.
We look like the Chelsea team that got him sacked
Well, there's one club in England that actually spends slightly more on wages than Manchester City.
Just stop embarrassing yourself dude.
It's a narrative that has just grown out of thin air too.
A month or so ago it was 'haa, we're still second guys, behave yourselves, we've scored loads of goals' -- now suddenly the team is too poor for Mourinho to play a modicum of good football and is hogtied to gradual success for another 3 transfer windows or so?
It's not even about that tbh.
To improve you have to do it on a long run and honestly even at his best, during that little period, I don't think he even reached the best level he reached at Juventus at all. A few games here and there aren't nearly enough. Where is he during the biggest games ?
Thank You for this good Sir, I really needed it to lift my spirit after the torture I've endured during the past 2h.
Have you not been watching Man City? This isn't a team just packed with star players in their prime. Jesus, Sane and Sterling are young players but playing astonishing football. The likes of Sterling, Stones, Otamendi, Fernandhino at one point were considered clowns but in no time at all he has them not just playing well, but on a different level to what one ever thought they could reach. Sterling is on for 30+ goals for Christ sake!
Man City have spunked a lot of money but so have we. The fact is they've bought better and they are being managed better.
The Fulham game with 81 crosses stands out.- Status