Have you seen the money we've spent since SAF went?
The financial backing isn't the problem, it is the shambolic way we are run and the manager choices.
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Have you seen the money we've spent since SAF went?
The financial backing isn't the problem, it is the shambolic way we are run and the manager choices.
Please name me the United players who were better than Hazard/Costa/Matic/Fabregas/Kante/Azpilicueta that Conte inherited? That's before you even get to Willian/Pedro/Alonso who'd prob start for us too.
Leicester was a one off and regressed to the mean shortly after.
The thing is we get rid of him that clown Woodward would only go and get another complete clown in charge. This is the board who allowed City to get Pep because we still had faith in Van Gaal.
Watching the post match interview was funny. He was trying very hard to shift blame on to the referee. Nice try, you dinosaur
Penalty aside (nailed on) Southampton had the better chances and should’ve won.
I’m not one calling for Jose out but something doesn’t sit right at the moment. There doesn’t seem to be any semblance of a plan. No tactics being carried out on the pitch.
I’m not one calling for Jose out but something doesn’t sit right at the moment. There doesn’t seem to be any semblance of a plan. No tactics being carried out on the pitch.
That was shit, and I can completely understand the boos.Imagine paying the money that tickets cost nowadays, and getting this performance in return.
Southampton looked like the much better team, in all areas. But hey, apparently you need 11 WC players to be an effective team with some cohesion and fluidity.
Southampton looked like the much better team, in all areas. But hey, apparently you need 11 WC players to be an effective team with some cohesion and fluidity.
In the nicest possible way do you always find comprehension so difficult?
All I've said is we know for a fact Mourinho wanted another attacking player, and the board wasn't prepared to spend the money to get him. Whether Perisic was the right player, the wrong player, good enough, bad enough or whatever we don't know because the manager simply was not backed. Anything else you want to attach to that statement is your own projection. I'm simply stating a fact that Mourinho did not want to go into the season with these players as his sole attacking options.
The derby defeat killed our confidence, absolutely no fight shown by the team today.
Those who want Mourinho sacked, better suggest some alternatives. You must be blind if you can't see that club is in it's best position since Fergie retired, yes it's not where we'd like to be but we've been through worse. A new manager comes in and he'll rip the squad up again, we'll again talk about transition. Rinse and repeat.
Unless we're deep down in the shitter, like out of contention from European places we must stick through him for at least another year and then re-assess. Very last thing we need is to go through last few summers all over again with a new manager.
Those who want Mourinho sacked, better suggest some alternatives. You must be blind if you can't see that club is in it's best position since Fergie retired, yes it's not where we'd like to be but we've been through worse. A new manager comes in and he'll rip the squad up again, we'll again talk about transition. Rinse and repeat.
Unless we're deep down in the shitter, like out of contention from European places we must stick through him for at least another year and then re-assess. Very last thing we need is to go through last few summers all over again with a new manager.
Come off with these bollocks excuses. The guy has spent millions and millions for feck sake. When he took over United and City had just finished level on points - look at the difference now!
We are still 2nd behind the 2nd.
I think we should sell ALL the players tomorrow and buy new ones.
I think we should sell ALL the players tomorrow and buy new ones.
Mourinho, Benitez, Wenger... all yesterday's men. Their football has not improved one bit and with them in charge their teams aren't going to do much
This is a common argument made in many scenarios in life and its a complete fallacy.
You don't have to have a solution lined up to point out something is wrong.
In order to compete against elite clubs in Europe you need to beat the likes of Burnley, Southampton, Leicester etc…not just beat them, but literally shame them.
We also finished 6th with him at the helm.
Jose blaming the ref
No, it's a fair shout. Certainly I'd view it as an exciting move and I'd be behind him.
My doubts would be in taking him from Spuds - which I'd love to do - but would he go now? Before they move into that new stadium that none of them will shut up about.
He's under no pressure at Spuds despite being last year's runners up and this year doing worse than us.
But yeah - could we actually get him?
We're starting to drop places in the league. We look miles and miles off Spurs and Liverpool at the moment.
When you're not enjoying it playing can be a slog. The manager hasn't looked happy for ages and the players haven't since September.
Got to get some fun back in our game.
I am losing faith in him for the first time. He seems like he would rather lose with his beloved 4-2-3-1 than win with 3 at the back. Stubbornly clinging to tactics just because they used to work is a sign of an outdated manager.
You think our squad is comparable to City's? They had underperformed to finish where they did and Pep inherited better players than anyone at United I.E KDB/Silva/Aguero/Kompany etc and then outspent everyone as well. It amazes me how people can't work this out.
It's clearly not enough and it wasn't enough in the summer. Do some of you honestly think that Emery, Louis Enrique, Zidane or Valverde all of the sudden became world class managers while Mourinho lost it over night?
No, it's all about the players. The so called biggest club in the world and club with the highest revenues in football yet we have zero world class attackers, we rely on two overhyped youngsters as wide players.
When it comes to rotation, guy is clueless and some players suffer now. Why? Because he lacks trust in people outside that circle in printed in his mind. Play Darmian as LB/RB, Axel wouldnt do worse, Mitchell wouldnt do worse, play Mkhi, Gomes wouldnt do worse, its not possible not a chance etc. He did the same in Chelsea and he done it from day one when he joined, last year in EL he forced first XI in away group stage games, like bunch of u21 dont know to lose vs Feyenoord or Fener.
When it comes to youth and what positive things they bring, specially in games like tonight, when crowd is on team`s back, he is clueless again. What the feck Mkhi done to deserve start tonight, what? A kid playing as AM in u14 deserves more. You think same rules would apply to Mkhi if he was 19?! Bullshit "if you are old enough, you are good enough" crap.
Coward mode vs top teams, i never had anything against his bus, nor i have ever laughed it, being defensive isnt a bad thing but when you dont even set up for counter just hoof it like Sunday league team then feck it.
Our play in final third is just
, players look clueless, out of ideas, what the feck they doing on training. Under LvG shit at least we all knew is his way, his idea was possession and then stick to positions in final third, be boring and crap but this is worse, with players we have. Where is movement, where is pass through middle, doesnt matter if we have Lukaku or Tyrion Lannister upfront, we cross and cross and cross and cross, because they are clueless anything else to do, Moyes would be proud tho.
Hey, at least he shared with whole world what and who his overgrown sperm is watching, like anyone gives a flying feck that his son is watching mighty PSG, a team in league he shat on while ago.
Crowd booed his decision to not have Martial and Rashford in same time, after he came out and out of thin air created issue between Lukaku and United fans, act dumb like he doesnt know why they booed his decision.
Guy is a winner but he must realize that we arent Chelsea (no offence), he wont be our best manager ever, things are set way before he came, he is not doing us a favor by being our manager.
Do i want him sacked? No, for few reasons but in same time have issue with him regarding few things. Not gonna be one of his cultists running around this forum, where they live in JM`s rectum and cant see shit up there because they didnt buy a freaking flashlights.
Edit: Oh and i hate 4-2-3-1 formation with a passion.
When it comes to youth and what positive things they bring, specially in games like tonight, when crowd is on team`s back, he is clueless again. What the feck Mkhi done to deserve start tonight, what? A kid playing as AM in u14 deserves more. You think same rules would apply to Mkhi if he was 19?! Bullshit "if you are old enough, you are good enough" crap.
Coward mode vs top teams, i never had anything against his bus, nor i have ever laughed it, being defensive isnt a bad thing but when you dont even set up for counter just hoof it like Sunday league team then feck it.
Our play in final third is just
, players look clueless, out of ideas, what the feck they doing on training. Under LvG shit at least we all knew is his way, his idea was possession and then stick to positions in final third, be boring and crap but this is worse, with players we have. Where is movement, where is pass through middle, doesnt matter if we have Lukaku or Tyrion Lannister upfront, we cross and cross and cross and cross, because they are clueless anything else to do, Moyes would be proud tho.Hey, at least he shared with whole world what and who his overgrown sperm is watching, like anyone gives a flying feck that his son is watching mighty PSG, a team in league he shat on while ago.
Crowd booed his decision to not have Martial and Rashford in same time, after he came out and out of thin air created issue between Lukaku and United fans, act dumb like he doesnt know why they booed his decision.
Guy is a winner but he must realize that we arent Chelsea (no offence), he wont be our best manager ever, things are set way before he came, he is not doing us a favor by being our manager.
Do i want him sacked? No, for few reasons but in same time have issue with him regarding few things. Not gonna be one of his cultists running around this forum, where they live in JM`s rectum and cant see shit up there because they didnt buy a freaking flashlights.
Edit: Oh and i hate 4-2-3-1 formation with a passion.
Thanks for completely missing my point, even I can see there are things wrong with the club. I was genuinely asking for an alternative and there aren't any.
I posted just after the bolded text, if we are out of contention as well. At the moment we are not, we're slipping up us but it's not spiraled out of control, yet.
He is someone who wants to take full credit when things go right and ZERO responsibility when things go wrong. He is starting to lose the dressing room and I'm 100% positive it will end in a disaster. I hope the owners of the club are monitoring the situation very closely.
And in as nice a way as possible too I am saying that this shouldn't matter and shouldn't be a point and is base on what's been said and we as fans have no clue what really happened.
And in order to shame them you need players much better than Lingard/Mata/Rashford.
6th was fairly accurate finish given how poor many of the squad was.
Surely him being one of the best managers he should be able to coach at least some attacking football considering he had also added his own signings as well.
Alonso, Moses and azpilecutea were no where good enough for Chelsea. Conte made them better.
I don’t care about Leicester being one off, it shows that managers have a bigger influence on players, which Jose seems to be losing.
How many players have improved because of him during his time here?
If you want a result against United it's pretty easy really.
Sit back, soak up the pressure, waste time. Then wait for a set piece/ counter to grab your opportunity. Huddersfield, Chelsea, Stoke, Leicester, Burnley and now Southampton have managed it. Even City did it to some extent. We are clueless when it comes to attacking, and any decent CB pairing will handle us easily. Hoedt and Yoshida had a good game today, but they weren't exceptional by any stretch.
Sit back, soak up the pressure, waste time. Then wait for a set piece/ counter to grab your opportunity. Huddersfield, Chelsea, Stoke, Leicester, Burnley and now Southampton have managed it. Even City did it to some extent. We are clueless when it comes to attacking, and any decent CB pairing will handle us easily. Hoedt and Yoshida had a good game today, but they weren't exceptional by any stretch.
It's always somebody else's fault.
- Shit football with shit tempo and no cohesion
- Players don't look like they're enjoying themselves on the pitch
- Results on a downward spiral
- Manager looking like he has no answers
I feel like I've seen this before.
- Players don't look like they're enjoying themselves on the pitch
- Results on a downward spiral
- Manager looking like he has no answers
I feel like I've seen this before.
Lukaku was literally free-scoring at Everton.
Mikhi was the Bundesliga player of the year.
Martial and Rashford are some of the most talented youngsters in the league.
Pogba is a world class midfielder.
Seriously, the players are not the issue here. Managers like Conte or Klopp would have done wonders with this squad. The problem is clearly the manager and his stubborn tactics. The writing was on the wall after the first 4 games.
He is going to get the sack sooner or later
We obviously didn't. Pep was always going to City, but unfortunately even then we ended up with probably the 3rd best manager available.
We've scored more goals than Arsenal/Spurs and Chelsea.
Not able to play as a counter attacking team, nor able to pass the ball like a possession based team. We are stuck in between. And yes, the players have been poor and all, but it all starts with Jose.
Tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, our team has absolutely no plan or direction about what to do when attacking. Hopeful crossing, or dribbling into blind alleys. No tactical attacking play. This is on the Manager. Players seem to have lost their motivation, spirit and whatever the manager is doing to get them back on their feet is clearly not working. Also, on the Manager. Players like Mkhi and Rashford have been so poor today with their end product, their selection is definitely on the manager.
The manager is the captain of the ship and when the ship is starting to sink, it has to be the Captain's fault and responsibility.
The club management is also partly at fault here. No clear, coherent planning at the footballing end, players mainly bought for thei marketability rather than their footballing abilities and fitting into the team. It's time for an attacking manager at Old Trafford, someone who is not afraid to go at the opponent's throats, who does not let cowardice creep into his player's skins.
Tired of repeating the same thing over and over again, our team has absolutely no plan or direction about what to do when attacking. Hopeful crossing, or dribbling into blind alleys. No tactical attacking play. This is on the Manager. Players seem to have lost their motivation, spirit and whatever the manager is doing to get them back on their feet is clearly not working. Also, on the Manager. Players like Mkhi and Rashford have been so poor today with their end product, their selection is definitely on the manager.
The manager is the captain of the ship and when the ship is starting to sink, it has to be the Captain's fault and responsibility.
The club management is also partly at fault here. No clear, coherent planning at the footballing end, players mainly bought for thei marketability rather than their footballing abilities and fitting into the team. It's time for an attacking manager at Old Trafford, someone who is not afraid to go at the opponent's throats, who does not let cowardice creep into his player's skins.
That really bothers me. Sure you could call it classic Mourinho shifting attention away from the players, but it makes the club look like a bitter joke. Mourinho just isn't the same cheeky fox he was when he first came to England.
I do hope it finally pushes the club to hire a DoF and give him the reigns to form the ethos and long term vision of the club with respect to our style and both players and managerial selections to match that.
Don't worry so much guys, after 2-3 signings we will be winning the league next season, it's all under control...
Azpilicueta not good enough? Wtf?
Obviously, I think the FA needs to invest in buying £100m referees
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