Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

Your stance

  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,563
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This club continues to be a total mess, and sacking another manager won’t solve shit imo. It feels like there’s a virus infecting the club but I don’t quite know what or where it is located.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
To those who want Mourinho gone, who do you see the club bringing in to do better than him?

Genuine question.
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It's a good question. I struggle to come up with a bulletproof alternative now, that's why I don't want him gone ASAP. But would like an attack-minded coach after the dross we have gotten post-SAF.
 
Over the last couple months I’ve shifted from the out at the end of the season club to the just get him gone now club.

Exactly the same as the unravelling at Chelsea, except we’re carrying a lot more crap in this team than they were at the time.

Bored of his poor tactics, poor man management, whingeing in interviews, his face is annoying me constantly sulking.

it’s just a disaster waiting to happen if not already happening.

Half this team can leave with him.
 
To anyone who watches us constantly it is pretty clear that we are out off our depth in attacking third, we are just a bunch of individuals thrown unto the pitch and asked to do 'their thing'. Not a pleasing viewing that.
 
Offside said:
I think we'll forever be doomed getting in defensive managers. I don't care that his Real team broke goal-scoring records with Ronaldo in his absolute pomp and Ozil, Benzema in their prime. His Chelsea teams were always more pragmatic over flair. He's a defensive manager.

Our identity is just lost. The league is long gon All I crave is for some attacking football. It's never going to happen under Jose.
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This. Give me football to look forward to.
 
Needs an assistant attacking coach more than new players. Moan all you want about City outspending you, but if you can't beat 3 midtable teams in a row, you should be fecking ashamed of the part you have played.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
To those who want Mourinho gone, who do you see the club bringing in to do better than him?

Genuine question.
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Well Van Gaal managed to sneak us into the top four one season, perhaps he's worth a shout? With how we're looking right now, it's quite possible that'll be a feat Mourinho won't be able to replicate.

On a serious note: I have no idea, but this is god damned dire and I just want to see us attack and throw caution to the wind. We're ahead of them, but would anyone seriously say no to a straight swap with Liverpool at this point?
 
People complaining about Mourinho as if another manager is gonna transform Lingard into Neymar. How many managers do we need to go through before you realise it's the players?
 
Rajma said:
To anyone who watches us constantly it is pretty clear that we are out off our depth in attacking third, we are just a bunch of individuals thrown unto the pitch and asked to do 'their thing'. Not a pleasing viewing that.
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This is precisely the problem and it has sadly not changed much.
 
The problem is I don't think his defensive system is very effective, the way the players keep retreating once they lose the ball smack of complete cowardice from the manager. That system gives the opponent too much time and space to be organized, and that's why any team appear like they are Barcelona 2011 in their passing once they play us.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
To those who want Mourinho gone, who do you see the club bringing in to do better than him?

Genuine question.
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I don't want him gone for the sake of it. If he sorts the team out in the second half of the season, I'm happy for him to continue.

However, that question you ask is a bit silly. We had no idea if LVG would improve us and we genuinely had no idea Mourinho would improve us. We had to take a risk and with Mourinho's successor, we'll do the same again.
 
Can someone get a video of our training session. I seriously doubt Jose trains how to attack, I mean seriously. How can a team play without any ideas. I blame him for today's result. Pathetic stuff.
 
He shouldn't be given another year if we fail to reach top4 imo, that would make 2 seasons outside it after having spent close to £300, that would indicate a trend considering how his last year at Chelsea has gone.
 
I'm a big supporter of Mourinho but this last month has been very concerning. Ever since the defeat by City, the team has lost its motivation and desire.

I also place results above quality of performances... Our results since the defeat by City, against inferior talented teams who we should easily be beating, has been unacceptable.

However, I still think Mourinho is being let down by his players: Mhkitariyan, Rashford and others were quite useless today, the likes of Pogba and Matic were ineffective. We missed bucketloads of chances on past few games too. Feels like last season again... Not sure why we have taken a step back when we had made such forward progress.
 
It doesn't matter whether you like him or not he should be doing better with this group of players.

Maybe winning the league is still reaching, but we should be beating the likes of Burnley and Southampton at home.

We're entering LvG territory now. I don't want to go through that shit again.
 
Idxomer said:
The problem is I don't think his defensive system is very effective, the way the players keep retreating once they lose the ball smack of complete cowardice from the manager. That system gives the opponent too much time and space to be organized, and that's why any team appear like they are Barcelona 2011 in their passing once they play us.
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At one point, Southampton had 61% possession. That is just nuts to me.
 
goin4glory said:
People complaining about Mourinho as if another manager is gonna transform Lingard into Neymar. How many managers do we need to go through before you realise it's the players?
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Yeah, we clearly don't have the personnel to beat the last three sides we've drawn against...
 
I genuinely think he's partially lost the dressing room. One of Jose's defining characteristics throughout his career has been getting players running through brick walls for him, regardless of quality. I'm not seeing any of that here, the players seem to be content ambling around on the pitch, and throwing their arms in the air in frustration. We should be more than good enough to beat Leicester, Burnley and Southampton, and I dont want to hear about money being spent etc.
 
goin4glory said:
People complaining about Mourinho as if another manager is gonna transform Lingard into Neymar. How many managers do we need to go through before you realise it's the players?
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So he needs Neymar level of talent to compete with Southampton at home?
 
Anyone thinking we going to play tippy tappy football with this lot needs their head tested.

Mourinho at fault for keeping a lot of them. You’d think this lot were free scoring before he took over. He inherited a shite attack and has not done anything to improve it.
 
He's got a massive January ahead, both in terms of result and performances, and in terms of transfers.

Today, like many other days this year, has been a shambles. Pinching goals from a shit performances papered over much at the start of the season, but ultimately if you're not playing good football it'll go wrong sooner or later. I don't think I've seen a worse performance under Jose. It's as bad as anything Moyes or LvG managed. And it's not just one match - the lack of cohesion and ideas has been clear for months.

Time to show why he should be manager at Manchester United.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
It's a good question. I struggle to come up with a bulletproof alternative now, that's why I don't want him gone ASAP. But would like an attack-minded coach after the dross we have gotten post-SAF.
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Been slated for suggesting it before but Ancelotti, may not be the greatest (according to Caf users anyway) but at least we’d see a return to attacking football based around a 442/433. Even if he’s only another short termer.
 
AshRK said:
Can someone get a video of our training session. I seriously doubt Jose trains how to attack, I mean seriously. How can a team play without any ideas. I blame him for today's result. Pathetic stuff.
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True. The work rate is bad too. Easily the worst among the top 6.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Yeah, we clearly don't have the personnel to beat the last three sides we've drawn against...
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I didn't know he was being judged solely on the last 3 games, the things I learn on here.

Rajma said:
So he needs Neymar level of talent to compete with Southampton at home?
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Southampton no, the elite clubs in europe he needs much better than a group who've finished 7th/4th and 5th before he arrived.
 
goin4glory said:
People complaining about Mourinho as if another manager is gonna transform Lingard into Neymar. How many managers do we need to go through before you realise it's the players?
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And how many players do we need to buy before you realize maybe the manager actually play a part for the performance of a player? It's not like our squad is Everton level, we should not be 16 points behind the league leaders by December

Two seasons ago, almost all of us thought Martial and Rashford would be the next Ronaldo and Rooney, yet both of them play their worst football under Mourinho, and it seems they are not progressing the way we want
 
It would be a good idea to try and bind DDG, Pogba and Martial on long term contracts because if this style of football under Mourinho continues I'm genuinely afraid they might put in a transfer request or walk on a free in couple of years.
 
goin4glory said:
People complaining about Mourinho as if another manager is gonna transform Lingard into Neymar. How many managers do we need to go through before you realise it's the players?
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Ranieri did. Conte did.

We are starting to see the same excuses used in defense of moyes and LVG
 
Minimalist said:
I don't want him gone for the sake of it. If he sorts the team out in the second half of the season, I'm happy for him to continue.

However, that question you ask is a bit silly. We had no idea if LVG would improve us and we genuinely had no idea Mourinho would improve us. We had to take a risk and with Mourinho's successor, we'll do the same again.
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It's not a silly question at all. Who you replace him with is crucial...

I'd imagine if someone wants him gone, they must have some idea of a replacement, otherwise they're essentially just saying they want one of Mourino's assistants as a caretaker manager.

I'm not asking so I can pick apart the answer - I'm asking because I'm interested.
 
He'll do well to turn this around, we look a broken team at the moment and I'm not sure how he's going to change things up to get us back on course for the rest of the season, it's a huge test of his managerial abilities.
 
He should walk for his own good. Nothing will change until the Glazers go. He should of walked after they denied him Perisic in the summer.
We are the club with the highest revenues in the world and our attacking options are Lingard, Rashford, Martial, Lukaku and Miki. But the Glazers and Woodward will hide behind another manager.
 
lawliet354 said:
And how many players do we need to buy before you realize maybe the manager actually play a part of getting the best out of his player? It's not like our squad is Everton level, we should not be 16 points behind the league leaders by December
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Everyone is miles behind City because they're setting records. Mourinho isn't responsible for the garbage brought in by Moyes and LVG. I'm amazed at how much credit in the bank most of these players seem to have given they achieved nothing but mediocrity, you'd think Mourinho took over the Real Madrid.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
It's not a silly question at all. Who you replace him with is crucial...

I'd imagine if someone wants him gone, they must have some idea of a replacement, otherwise they're essentially just saying they want one of Mourino's assistants as a caretaker manager.

I'm not asking so I can pick apart the answer - I'm asking because I'm interested.
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I've posted about it in the "mourinho is our best option thread"

I really don't see any viable option, perhaps Jardim but he is untested at the very top.
 
goin4glory said:
Rojo/Pogba/Lingard/Rashford have all improved. It's your own fault for drawing large conclusions based off a 6 game sample size, every neutral fan in the country could tell you City have a far better squad than us.

Rashford definitely hasn't (not sure Pogba is as good as he was at Juve either), the other one who I think has is Herrera although he has regressed this season. Not a great effort out of a squad of 20+. I literally said that I agreed City's squad was better, I knew that before the season started, my point was that our drop-off is actually worse given that we got off to a really good start, ever since we went negative at Liverpool we've been probably the 6th or 7th best side in the league (I think in terms of points we are about that but our results actually flatter us still given we've been unconvincing in pretty much every game since).
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Rhyme Animal said:
It's not a silly question at all. Who you replace him with is crucial...

I'd imagine if someone wants him gone, they must have some idea of a replacement, otherwise they're essentially just saying they want one of Mourino's assistants as a caretaker manager.

I'm not asking so I can pick apart the answer - I'm asking because I'm interested.
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Well my reasoning is because no matter who I put up, Mourinho's record is outstanding.

The other issue is that Mourinho is clearly leaving within the next couple of years - there's been too much talk about it. This decision is coming sooner or later.

I think Poch is the logical successor but I know he has some detractors on here. I think he produces sides with a good balance between attack and defence.
 
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