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Jeez man, you make Mourinho sound like some God like being.

Look at how well Allardyce has Everton playing after how poor they were just a month ago under Koeman. You honestly believe that no manager in the world could get our group of players performing better? That’s hogwash! Mourinho is failing.

No manager could get our group of players performing better. I said so and I will say it over & over again. The fact that you even used Big Sam as your example simply tells me you don’t know the task of managing Man Utd.

Was Moyes not doing wonders at Everton before coming to United? How did he handle a title winning squad he inherited from SAF again? If Moyes never came to United, I am sure people like you would be touting his name as a manager that could have taken us to the title.

If we cannot get Pep, Jose is the next in line. No one else can manage United and take us to where SAF had us few years ago. If you know anyone, put down their names and let’s see if they even merit to be discussed. LVG failed here massively & you think Big Sam has the cojones to lead us back to glory?

You’re having a laugh, mate!


What's this nonsense? Of course he has something to prove. He has to prove that he can get this team challenging for the title (which he's failed to do so far), he has to prove that he can make this group of individuals into a cohesive unit (which they're not looking like at the moment) and he needs to bring some sort of identity to this team. He needs to prove that he can go toe to toe with our rivals across the city and find a way of stopping them in their tracks.

This takes time.

He could be the one to do it; he's been a fabulously successful coach throughout the years so there's a good chance he could be the one. But he's coming up short atm. Our performances are all over the shop, our defending has gone to shit and our attacking has no pattern or cohesion to it.

So he has plenty to prove.

Give him the tools he needs to perform and let’s see if he won’t perform. Jose is a serial winner but currently, he’s not operating on a level playing field with his nemesis across the City.

Guardiola inherited about 5-6 top quality players when he arrived, he went on to spend another £403m on a squad that got to the semis of the CL.....

Mourinho inherited only De Gea as a world class player and the board could only give him £286m to bolster his squad. Even a kid of 5 knows whose squad would perform better under these circumstances.

That we are 2nd or that we won 2 titles last season is a testament to Jose’s managerial acumen. Neither LVG nor Moyes could have achieved what Jose has done so far. He’s only added 7 players since his arrival, Pep has added 17 players and you guys think Jose could do some abracadabra and win the title?

Dream on......
 
No manager could get our group of players performing better. I said so and I will say it over & over again. The fact that you even used Big Sam as your example simply tells me you don’t know the task of managing Man Utd.

Was Moyes not doing wonders at Everton before coming to United? How did he handle a title winning squad he inherited from SAF again? If Moyes never came to United, I am sure people like you would be touting his name as a manager that could have taken us to the title.

If we cannot get Pep, Jose is the next in line. No one else can manage United and take us to where SAF had us few years ago. If you know anyone, put down their names and let’s see if they even merit to be discussed. LVG failed here massively & you think Big Sam has the cojones to lead us back to glory?

You’re having a laugh, mate!

Where exactly did I say that Big Sam was the man to manage United? I used him as an example of someone that has turned the fortunes of a club around recently.

To say that nobody other than Mourinho can manage United is down right ridiculous.


Do you support Manchester United or Jose Mourinho? Because I can’t tell.
 
Where exactly did I say that Big Sam was the man to manage United? I used him as an example of someone that has turned the fortunes of a club around recently.

To say that nobody other than Mourinho can manage United is down right ridiculous.


Do you support Manchester United or Jose Mourinho? Because I can’t tell.

You are still dancing around the question. Which manager can do what Jose has achieved so far at OT?

Answers on a postcard, please......
 
You are still dancing around the question. Which manager can do what Jose has achieved so far at OT?

Answers on a postcard, please......
Am waiting for his answers also,the magician that would step in and make it all better...
If we appoint pochettino,he will have to face the pressure of winning the league and going head to head against pep and not finishing top four and be comfortable in his job.
 
Am waiting for his answers also,the magician that would step in and make it all better...
If we appoint pochettino,he will have to face the pressure of winning the league and going head to head against pep and not finishing top four and be comfortable in his job.

He will probably mention Benitez or Rodgers ;)
 
Give him the tools he needs to perform and let’s see if he won’t perform. Jose is a serial winner but currently, he’s not operating on a level playing field with his nemesis across the City.

Guardiola inherited about 5-6 top quality players when he arrived, he went on to spend another £403m on a squad that got to the semis of the CL.....

Mourinho inherited only De Gea as a world class player and the board could only give him £286m to bolster his squad. Even a kid of 5 knows whose squad would perform better under these circumstances.

That we are 2nd or that we won 2 titles last season is a testament to Jose’s managerial acumen. Neither LVG nor Moyes could have achieved what Jose has done so far. He’s only added 7 players since his arrival, Pep has added 17 players and you guys think Jose could do some abracadabra and win the title?

Dream on......

What the holy hell are you blabbing on about!?

Fecking hell.

You made the absolutely absurd remark about him not needing to prove anything. I pointed out the absurdity of such a claim, especially for a manager of Man Utd, then you come back with that nonsense. I've said that it could take some time.

I've already pointed out that he's been a tremendously successful manager, and he's quite possibly the man to take us back to the top, but you've completely ignored all that and gone all strawman on me.

"dream on" wtf does that mean in the context of what i said?
 
Where exactly did I say that Big Sam was the man to manage United? I used him as an example of someone that has turned the fortunes of a club around recently.

To say that nobody other than Mourinho can manage United is down right ridiculous.


Do you support Manchester United or Jose Mourinho? Because I can’t tell.

I'd like to know who you think could do it.
 
What the holy hell are you blabbing on about!?

Fecking hell.

You made the absolutely absurd remark about him not needing to prove anything. I pointed out the absurdity of such a claim, especially for a manager of Man Utd, then you come back with that nonsense. I've said that it could take some time.

I've already pointed out that he's been a tremendously successful manager, and he's quite possibly the man to take us back to the top, but you've completely ignored all that and gone all strawman on me.

"dream on" wtf does that mean in the context of what i said?

Stop beating about the bush, please. Mourinho has nothing to prove here. If he doesn’t win the PL in his 3 year contract here, it’s simply because the board has refused to back him. The man has won league titles everywhere he’s been. He didn’t suddenly become shit overnight.

He took us straight from 6th to 2nd. A position we haven’t sustained since SAF left. While he was at it, he won more trophies than Liverpool have achieved in the last 11 years. The most interesting part is Jose was fighting for us(fans) with that post-match conference yesterday.

The Glazers cannot continue to sit on vast amount of cash in turnover without investing heavily in the squad. A club as big as United should have 5-7 world class players in its squad. We only have 2(DDG & Pogba). It’s up to the board to respond - Jose’s got nothing to prove!
 
Stop beating about the bush, please. Mourinho has nothing to prove here. If he doesn’t win the PL in his 3 year contract here, it’s simply because the board has refused to back him. The man has won league titles everywhere he’s been. He didn’t suddenly become shit overnight.

He took us straight from 6th to 2nd. A position we haven’t sustained since SAF left. While he was at it, he won more trophies than Liverpool have achieved in the last 11 years. The most interesting part is Jose was fighting for us(fans) with that post-match conference yesterday.

The Glazers cannot continue to sit on vast amount of cash in turnover without investing heavily in the squad. A club as big as United should have 5-7 world class players in its squad. We only have 2(DDG & Pogba). It’s up to the board to respond - Jose’s got nothing to prove!

Would you say you have a liking for Mourinho that goes beyond the normal fan/manager relationship?
 
Stop beating about the bush, please. Mourinho has nothing to prove here. If he doesn’t win the PL in his 3 year contract here, it’s simply because the board has refused to back him. The man has won league titles everywhere he’s been. He didn’t suddenly become shit overnight.

He took us straight from 6th to 2nd. A position we haven’t sustained since SAF left. While he was at it, he won more trophies than Liverpool have achieved in the last 11 years. The most interesting part is Jose was fighting for us(fans) with that post-match conference yesterday.

The Glazers cannot continue to sit on vast amount of cash in turnover without investing heavily in the squad. A club as big as United should have 5-7 world class players in its squad. We only have 2(DDG & Pogba). It’s up to the board to respond - Jose’s got nothing to prove!

Regarding the first bolded part...what???

As for the second...:lol::lol:

Yeah, alright mate.

Since you've completely ignored and failed to recognise the most obvious thing in the world (that he DOES have something to prove) and revealed yourself to be a bit of a wum, i'll just go ahead and put you on ignore.

Fecking helmet
 
Aguero
Silva
KDB
Fernadinho
Kompany
Sterling.

Those are not quality players?
Aguero ☑
Silva ☑
KDB ☑
Fernadinho - He was just OK under Pellegrini, just slightly better than the Octopus.
Kompany - The man can't complete 15 mins and has barely featured to make any real difference.
Sterling - A top quality player at Pep's arrival? Please. Pep had to call the guy over the summer after a poor season with City and England to boost his confidence.

Pretty much every one says 3, 6 is just reaching.
 
Would you say you have a liking for Mourinho that goes beyond the normal fan/manager relationship?

Jose is Man Utd’s manager. I love the club and everyone attached to the club.




Regarding the first bolded part...what???

As for the second...:lol::lol:

Yeah, alright mate.

Since you've completely ignored and failed to recognise the most obvious thing in the world (that he DOES have something to prove) and revealed yourself to be a bit of a wum, i'll just go ahead and put you on ignore.

Fecking helmet

Now that it’s obvious that you have no rebuttal for the superior argument, you have stooped low to ad hominem sniping, what a shame!

Jose has nothing to prove here. He’s won the PL 3 times. He’s successfully defended the PL(the only manager that has done so apart from the great SAF himself) - what else has he gotta prove?

He’s won league titles in Portugal, Spain & Italy. If you hire Mo Farah to come run marathon for you in a local competition and you fail to provide the right conditions for him to thrive, the fault is with you. Mo Farah has nothing to prove to you - he’s already won the Olympics.

If you can’t understand that, please bow out of this thread.
 
So Mourinho's genius consists of winning titles by spending more than anyone else ? If he doesn't get to outspend the competition then it's not his fault ?

His track record from Porto, first spell at Chelsea, then Inter looks very impressive to me. Since then, Real Madrid, 2nd spell at Chelsea, now at United, looks fairly average given the size of the clubs, respective competition, money spent, success of managers before and after him etc.
 
Jose is Man Utd’s manager. I love the club and everyone attached to the club.






Now that it’s obvious that you have no rebuttal for the superior argument, you have stooped low to ad hominem sniping, what a shame!

Jose has nothing to prove here. He’s won the PL 3 times. He’s successfully defended the PL(the only manager that has done so apart from the great SAF himself) - what else has he gotta prove?

He’s won league titles in Portugal, Spain & Italy. If you hire Mo Farah to come run marathon for you in a local competition and you fail to provide the right conditions for him to thrive, the fault is with you. Mo Farah has nothing to prove to you - he’s already won the Olympics.

If you can’t understand that, please bow out of this thread.


:lol::lol:

The absolute state of you. Cheerio Jose.
 
Aguero ☑
Silva ☑
KDB ☑
Fernadinho - He was just OK under Pellegrini, just slightly better than the Octopus.
Kompany - The man can't complete 15 mins and has barely featured to make any real difference.
Sterling - A top quality player at Pep's arrival? Please. Pep had to call the guy over the summer after a poor season with City and England to boost his confidence.

Pretty much every one says 3, 6 is just reaching.

Fernandinho wasn’t just ok after Pellegrini. He was very solid, he’s been in the starting XI at City for 3 years before Pep took charge.

Sterling was acquired for £50m as far back as 2015. Are you kidding me? What about Sterling isn’t quality? He was very good before joining City and he’s been solid since.

Even if you discount Kompany, I still mentioned 5 players that would walk into any team in the PL without any debate. Pep has added £403m worth of players to that so why is it surprising that they are tearing the league apart?
 
So Mourinho's genius consists of winning titles by spending more than anyone else ? If he doesn't get to outspend the competition then it's not his fault ?

His track record from Porto, first spell at Chelsea, then Inter looks very impressive to me. Since then, Real Madrid, 2nd spell at Chelsea, now at United, looks fairly average given the size of the clubs, respective competition, money spent, success of managers before and after him etc.

You can say the same about Pep & SAF. It’s almost inevitable. more money = more quality players + quality manager + tities won.

Blackburn 94/95
Chelsea 2004-6
Man City 2011- till date
PSG 2012 - till date.

These clubs had no pedigree before money. Look at the state of them when money was added into the equation.

How are United a big club if they can’t spend money? It’s a shame that Juventus have more world class players than Man Utd. We are 3 times richer.
 
Fernandinho wasn’t just ok after Pellegrini. He was very solid, he’s been in the starting XI at City for 3 years before Pep took charge.

Sterling was acquired for £50m as far back as 2015. Are you kidding me? What about Sterling isn’t quality? He was very good before joining City and he’s been solid since.

Even if you discount Kompany, I still mentioned 5 players that would walk into any team in the PL without any debate. Pep has added £403m worth of players to that so why is it surprising that they are tearing the league apart?

The fact is Sterling and Fernandinho were also part of teams who were genuinely competing for the title. They had shown they could compete at that level. So Aguero, de Bruyne, Fernandinho, Silva, Sterling. I will leave out Otamendi even though he was an expensive signing and played well for Valencia. He had is troubles in the PL.

Look at our team and how many had challenged for a title? De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young? 2 of them are ex wingers turned fullback. Ahh, also Rooney and Carrick, who were way past it. The gulf is clear. How many from our team were really top quality could you argue? Martial and De Gea? Mata if you want to stretch it? Even then Silva is better anyway.

Now consider that half of Mourinho's spending is on two players. Pogba and Lukaku. Pep did not have to spend money on de Bruyne and Aguero. They were already there. On top of that, City has spent more anyway. Now consider the damage van gaal and moyes did. On top of that, City have been ahead of us for a number of years anyway. This all gives the two squads, the spending by both and the position of both some perspective.
 
You can say the same about Pep & SAF. It’s almost inevitable. more money = more quality players + quality manager + tities won.

Blackburn 94/95
Chelsea 2004-6
Man City 2011- till date
PSG 2012 - till date.

These clubs had no pedigree before money. Look at the state of them when money was added into the equation.

How are United a big club if they can’t spend money? It’s a shame that Juventus have more world class players than Man Utd. We are 3 times richer.
Keep preaching brother,....lvg just came in and wasted our money,mourinho is here challenging the board to do more and people are attacking him.
Should he have said we are at our absolute best and we don't need to do much in the transfer market.wont you people call him deluded?.
 
Jose is Man Utd’s manager. I love the club and everyone attached to the club.






Now that it’s obvious that you have no rebuttal for the superior argument, you have stooped low to ad hominem sniping, what a shame!

Jose has nothing to prove here. He’s won the PL 3 times. He’s successfully defended the PL(the only manager that has done so apart from the great SAF himself) - what else has he gotta prove?

He’s won league titles in Portugal, Spain & Italy. If you hire Mo Farah to come run marathon for you in a local competition and you fail to provide the right conditions for him to thrive, the fault is with you. Mo Farah has nothing to prove to you - he’s already won the Olympics.

If you can’t understand that, please bow out of this thread.
Everybody has everything to prove.

Is it a thing of joy to now celebrate what managers achieved for other clubs. What Pep or José achieved at other clubs is irrelevant to us. However great the achievement is, all it really does is that it gets them the gig. From them, they have a responsibility to perform. Do you think Fergie did not have an impressive CV before he joined United? However, it was behoven of him to perform to prove that he still had the world class nous about him.
For all the talk of José's CL win with Porto, I still rate LvG's 95 win with kids was another level, something that is less likely to happen again. His past history of playing decent football landed him the job. I'm a fan of LvG btw, but when he didn't perform to the level expected his position was rightly questioned.

When Pep came 3rd last season, something that might catch up to us, many City fans called him a flop, regardless of he had achieved with previous clubs.
 
The fact is Sterling and Fernandinho were also part of teams who were genuinely competing for the title. They had shown they could compete at that level. So Aguero, de Bruyne, Fernandinho, Silva, Sterling. I will leave out Otamendi even though he was an expensive signing and played well for Valencia. He had is troubles in the PL.

Look at our team and how many had challenged for a title? De Gea, Smalling, Jones, Valencia, Young? 2 of them are ex wingers turned fullback. Ahh, also Rooney and Carrick, who were way past it. The gulf is clear. How many from our team were really top quality could you argue? Martial and De Gea? Mata if you want to stretch it? Even then Silva is better anyway.

Now consider that half of Mourinho's spending is on two players. Pogba and Lukaku. Pep did not have to spend money on de Bruyne and Aguero. They were already there. On top of that, City has spent more anyway. Now consider the damage van gaal and moyes did. On top of that, City have been ahead of us for a number of years anyway. This all gives the two squads, the spending by both and the position of both some perspective.

Excellent post!

It’s grating that some of our own fans can’t see this. They don’t even know Jose has much more difficult task of rebuilding than Pep.

Jose would have been happier if his only task was to rebuild the defence. City were already adequate in the midfield area & the attack. United have holes in every department of the pitch apart from goalkeeper.

I know Jose isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he has been excellent considering the dross he inherited from LVG. If the board is serious about winning the league with him, the rebuilding process needs to go 10 times faster. We are taking too much time to ship out the deadweights!
 
Conte did nothing. He benefitted from only having to compete in one competition. His players had mostly 7-9 days to put their feet up and properly prepare for a league game. It wasn’t a fair fight.
I think the fact he took over a team in dissaray counters any "advantage" he may have had with the schedule.
 
Everybody has everything to prove.

......Only if you give them an enabling environment.

Is it a thing of joy to now celebrate what managers achieved for other clubs. What Pep or José achieved at other clubs is irrelevant to us. However great the achievement is, all it really does is that it gets them the gig. From them, they have a responsibility to perform. Do you think Fergie did not have an impressive CV before he joined United? However, it was behoven of him to perform to prove that he still had the world class nous about him.

It still took Fergie 7 years to win the league title at Man Utd. The daggers are already out for Jose, the man hasn’t even completed 2 seasons. You keep shooting yourself in the foot with weird analogies.

What Pep/Jose have achieved prior is very relevant. That was why they got the job in the first place. Of course, they have a responsibility to perform. They are being paid to perform....but you also have to give them the tools to perform.

Pep has been backed. He could even make mistakes like Claudio Bravo & Nolito and still get more money to erase such mistakes whilst his counterpart in the red half of the City can’t even get Perisic & he’s still stuck with desdwoods like Darmian & Blind.

How is this a fair fight?

For all the talk of José's CL win with Porto, I still rate LvG's 95 win with kids was another level, something that is less likely to happen again. His past history of playing decent football landed him the job. I'm a fan of LvG btw, but when he didn't perform to the level expected his position was rightly questioned.

Fact remains Jose won the CL. If the Porto victory was a fluke, the Inter victory wasn’t. Considering the fact that it was LVG he destroyed to get his 2nd CL victory simply tells me Jose is the better gaffer. Little wonder, no manager has been able to replicate those achievements at Porto/Inter since then.

Jose is special!

When Pep came 3rd last season, something that might catch up to us, many City fans called him a flop, regardless of he had achieved with previous clubs.

Yes, he was called a flop. Same way United fans berated Jose for finishing 6th. Pep got backed by the board immediately while Woodward played monopoly with Jose’s transfer list.
 
Fernandinho wasn’t just ok after Pellegrini. He was very solid, he’s been in the starting XI at City for 3 years before Pep took charge.

Sterling was acquired for £50m as far back as 2015. Are you kidding me? What about Sterling isn’t quality? He was very good before joining City and he’s been solid since.

Even if you discount Kompany, I still mentioned 5 players that would walk into any team in the PL without any debate. Pep has added £403m worth of players to that so why is it surprising that they are tearing the league apart?
Fernandinho and Sterling were very solid before Pep joined? Sorry but this is too funny. Out of curiosity, I'm interested your description on how solid these 2 were at City before the arrival of Pep.

Oh, please use something other than the £50m transfer of a young English player between English clubs, against the seller's wish as a determining factor because Andy Carroll might want to get included in this discussion.
 
Fact remains Jose won the CL. If the Porto victory was a fluke, the Inter victory wasn’t. Considering the fact that it was LVG he destroyed to get his 2nd CL victory simply tells me Jose is the better gaffer. Little wonder, no manager has been able to replicate those achievements at Porto/Inter since then.

Jose is special!

No further questions.
 
I think the fact he took over a team in dissaray counters any "advantage" he may have had with the schedule.

Hiddink already steadied the ship. What disarray? Chelsea didn’t just become rubbish overnight, the players stopped playing for their manager. It’s got nothing to do with ability.....the players conspired to get the manager sacked.

Conte didn’t have much to do. Chelsea were solid from front to back.

Fernandinho and Sterling were very solid before Pep joined? Sorry but this is too funny. Out of curiosity, I'm interested your description on how solid these 2 were at City before the arrival of Pep.

Oh, please use something other than the £50m transfer of a young English player between English clubs, against the seller's wish as a determining factor because Andy Carroll might want to get included in this discussion.

Fernadinho & Sterling were starters with plenty of PL experience before Pep arrived. They would walk into our starting XI even in SAF’s title winning season of 12/13.

Sterling >> Valencia
Fernandinho >> Cleverley
 
Pep has been backed. He could even make mistakes like Claudio Bravo & Nolito and still get more money to erase such mistakes whilst his counterpart in the red half of the City can’t even get Perisic & he’s still stuck with desdwoods like Darmian & Blind.
You talk as if Jose was not allowed to sell players. Was it not his responsibility to properly assess players? Weeks into the start of every season, there is always an ostracised bunch that makes you wonder if the man actually does his homework on the players at his disposal. For a man with 7 years PL experience, his squad assessment feels like the work of a novice. Or was it not him that decided he wanted 8 players over the course of 2 summer windows, or how much time does he need to fully assess the squad?
 
Hiddink already steadied the ship. What disarray? Chelsea didn’t just become rubbish overnight, the players stopped playing for their manager. It’s got nothing to do with ability.....the players conspired to get the manager sacked.

Conte didn’t have much to do. Chelsea were solid from front to back.



Fernadinho & Sterling were starters with plenty of PL experience before Pep arrived. They would walk into our starting XI even in SAF’s title winning season of 12/13.

Sterling >> Valencia
Fernandinho >> Cleverley
What a wow!
 
You talk as if Jose was not allowed to sell players. Was it not his responsibility to properly assess players? Weeks into the start of every season, there is always an ostracised bunch that makes you wonder if the man actually does his homework on the players at his disposal. For a man with 7 years PL experience, his squad assessment feels like the work of a novice. Or was it not him that decided he wanted 8 players over the course of 2 summer windows, or how much time does he need to fully assess the squad?

You can only sell players if you have been promised competent replacements. Who just sells without a hope of new recruits? Jose can only sell when he gets money to buy.

Does it look like our board is even serious about taking this club to the next level? You will put United in the top 3 clubs in Europe considering their history, tradition, etc.

Now let’s do the math....

Real Madrid have Ramos, Bale, Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric, Marcelo

Barcelona have Messi, Pique, Suárez, Busquets, Rakitic, Iniesta

Bayern have Robben, Lewandowski, Neuer, Boateng, Hummels, Vidal, David Alaba, Thiago.

Juventus have Buffon, Chiellini, Higuain, Dybala, Sandro, Bazargli

PSG have Dani Alves, Neymar, Cavani, Mbappe, Verratti, Thiago Silva

United have only De Gea & Pogba. Is this what you call investment? We are really expected to compete with this lot with only 2 recognised world class players? In terms of player investment, we are the worst “big team” in Europe.
 
Hiddink already steadied the ship. What disarray? Chelsea didn’t just become rubbish overnight, the players stopped playing for their manager. It’s got nothing to do with ability.....the players conspired to get the manager sacked.

Conte didn’t have much to do. Chelsea were solid from front to back.
Solid from back to front? :eek: We conceded 53 league goals that season and Begovic was considered by many fans to be our 2nd best player of the campaign. We could barely string two passes together and could only score ourselves from set pieces and opposition cock up's. Hiddink steady'd the ship yes but he didn't fix the numerous flaws in the squad. We had only one defender who was top class, the rest were either bang average or past it, and to compound that they couldn't play out from the back and lost/panic hoofed the ball under the slightest pressure. Our midfield consisted off Matic, Mikel and Cesc two of which were bang average and the other can only perform well when given space to operate, Hazard and Costa were off form most of the season, Pedro looked a flop at the time and Willian is also bang average.

Did it help Conte not having Europe? Ofcourse, but please don't pretend he had a ready made, well conditioned squad, because it couldn't have been further from the truth.
 
You can only sell players if you have been promised competent replacements. Who just sells without a hope of new recruits? Jose can only sell when he gets money to buy.

Does it look like our board is even serious about taking this club to the next level? You will put United in the top 3 clubs in Europe considering their history, tradition, etc.

Now let’s do the math....

Real Madrid have Ramos, Bale, Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric, Marcelo

Barcelona have Messi, Pique, Suárez, Busquets, Rakitic, Iniesta

Bayern have Robben, Lewandowski, Neuer, Boateng, Hummels, Vidal, David Alaba, Thiago.

Juventus have Buffon, Chiellini, Higuain, Dybala, Sandro, Bazargli

PSG have Dani Alves, Neymar, Cavani, Mbappe, Verratti, Thiago Silva

United have only De Gea & Pogba. Is this what you call investment? We are really expected to compete with this lot with only 2 recognised world class players? In terms of player investment, we are the worst “big team” in Europe.

Going by your loose definition of world class i'd include Bailly, Valencia, & Matic to our list. I agree with you thought a large part of our problem is we don't have a single attacking player who's world class which is our problem. Spending 75m on the likes of Lukaku was a waste when you have higher potential forwards like Martial/Rashford. Every team has that top level wide creative player except for us, and we wonder why we can't score consistently...
 
not sure what all the guff is about spending - I do have some sympathy for Jose on the fact he's trying to build a team from the awful transfer regimes of Moyes and LVG but 18 months in we aren't where we should be and we look desperate in attack at times

a good coach gets the best out of players......an example was Fergie who won the league with ease and without resorting to Chelsea/City spending

have a look at the team that lined up.vrs Arsenal when we beat them 8-2..... the likes of Cleverley and Ando in midfield, Young, Welbeck in attack....Fergie knew how to develop a team that were hard to beat and, most importantly, had a fluid and cohesive attacking strategy

sadly that's where Mourinho is failing..... pound for pound we are miles behind City, and even Spurs and Liverpool in terms of creating an effective attacking team

I'd love to see what Poch would do with our budget
 
......Only if you give them an enabling environment.



It still took Fergie 7 years to win the league title at Man Utd. The daggers are already out for Jose, the man hasn’t even completed 2 seasons. You keep shooting yourself in the foot with weird analogies.

What Pep/Jose have achieved prior is very relevant. That was why they got the job in the first place. Of course, they have a responsibility to perform. They are being paid to perform....but you also have to give them the tools to perform.

Pep has been backed. He could even make mistakes like Claudio Bravo & Nolito and still get more money to erase such mistakes whilst his counterpart in the red half of the City can’t even get Perisic & he’s still stuck with desdwoods like Darmian & Blind.

How is this a fair fight?



Fact remains Jose won the CL. If the Porto victory was a fluke, the Inter victory wasn’t. Considering the fact that it was LVG he destroyed to get his 2nd CL victory simply tells me Jose is the better gaffer. Little wonder, no manager has been able to replicate those achievements at Porto/Inter since then.

Jose is special!



Yes, he was called a flop. Same way United fans berated Jose for finishing 6th. Pep got backed by the board immediately while Woodward played monopoly with Jose’s transfer list.
Totally agree. Jose is not perfect, I dislike the public criticism of players and his overplaying of injured players. However, he’s brought us forward from the disarray of Moyes and LVG. It speaks volumes that people criticising him have no valid suggestions for who could do better!

Do people forget how absolutely poor we were for the 3 seasons before Jose came? He’s had a massive rebuilding job and is being compared to Pep who inherited a stronger squad, has spent more money and brought in more players.
 
Going by your loose definition of world class i'd include Bailly, Valencia, & Matic to our list. I agree with you thought a large part of our problem is we don't have a single attacking player who's world class which is our problem. Spending 75m on the likes of Lukaku was a waste when you have higher potential forwards like Martial/Rashford. Every team has that top level wide creative player except for us, and we wonder why we can't score consistently...

Don’t make me laugh, please.

Who would Matic replace at Barca, Real Madrid or Bayern? Is Matic better than Rakitic/Busquets? Is he better than Kroos/Modric/Casemiro? Is he better than Vidal?

Then you mentioned Valencia? The only reason we love Antonio here is because of the effort he puts in. As far as his ability is concerned, he’s several tiers below Alves, Carvajal, etc. He’s not World class.

I can agree with you on Bailly. He’s very good but what good is a player if he’s only played 8 games out of the 20 league games played so far. His value is on the pitch, not on the bench. If he’s not available to feature in the big games, then it’s the same as not having him here at all.

Solid from back to front? :eek: We conceded 53 league goals that season and Begovic was considered by many fans to be our 2nd best player of the campaign. We could barely string two passes together and could only score ourselves from set pieces and opposition cock up's. Hiddink steady'd the ship yes but he didn't fix the numerous flaws in the squad. We had only one defender who was top class, the rest were either bang average or past it, and to compound that they couldn't play out from the back and lost/panic hoofed the ball under the slightest pressure. Our midfield consisted off Matic, Mikel and Cesc two of which were bang average and the other can only perform well when given space to operate, Hazard and Costa were off form most of the season, Pedro looked a flop at the time and Willian is also bang average.

Did it help Conte not having Europe? Ofcourse, but please don't pretend he had a ready made, well conditioned squad, because it couldn't have been further from the truth.

Conte still won the league with the bulk of players he inherited from Jose. Courtois, Azpilicueta, Fabregas, Matic, Costa, Pedro, Willian, Cahill, etc.

There was nothing broken at Chelsea, the players just conspired to get rid of their manager. Their league victory in 2014/15 wasn’t a fluke. Conte’s job of getting the team to play to their ability was easier than the dross Jose inherited at OT.


not sure what all the guff is about spending - I do have some sympathy for Jose on the fact he's trying to build a team from the awful transfer regimes of Moyes and LVG but 18 months in we aren't where we should be and we look desperate in attack at times

The board should take all the blame here.

a good coach gets the best out of players......an example was Fergie who won the league with ease and without resorting to Chelsea/City spending

Fergie spent money too. Let’s not forget he paid 30 odd million for Rio as far back as 2002. Rooney was a teenager when Fergie forked £30m to get him from Everton.

have a look at the team that lined up.vrs Arsenal when we beat them 8-2..... the likes of Cleverley and Ando in midfield, Young, Welbeck in attack....Fergie knew how to develop a team that were hard to beat and, most importantly, had a fluid and cohesive attacking strategy.

That era was different & Fergie had plenty of time to work his magic to get the team playing like he wants them to. Fergie went without a title from 2003 to 2007. At no point was there a panic that he might lose his job. It’s a different circumstance to Jose. Some of our fans are already saying he should go.

sadly that's where Mourinho is failing..... pound for pound we are miles behind City, and even Spurs and Liverpool in terms of creating an effective attacking team

I'd love to see what Poch would do with our budget

Poch will of course beat majority of the teams in the top 8 at OT and then lose scandalously to them playing away from home. You guys don’t realise the pressure that comes with managing a mammoth club like Man Utd. A club where you are expected to win every game even if 80% of your squad is injured.

I’m afraid - Poch does not have the clout to manage Man Utd. He would drag us down to LVG level. There’s no manager in the world at the moment that can step in those shoes apart from Jose/Pep. We have Jose, the next step is for the board to back him to the hilt. Give him what he wants. He’s done it before, he will do it again.
 
So where is Conte now? I already told you Conte had the advantage of focusing on only one competition last season. He got outclassed by Arsenal in Wembley twice - that’s your messianic Conte.
Where is Conte? The current Premier League champion who has earned enough credit with his current club after dominating Pep and Jose last year to endure a season finishing 2nd/3rd/4th without all that much criticism. The same will happen with Jose if he wins the league here, naturally.

I'm pretty sure Chelsea did compete in other competitions like the FA cup and league cup. Besides, I don't think anyone can doubt their credentials as champions unless they're bitter. They were terrific and finished far ahead of us and City. You can keep telling me such things but they don't really matter. I'd happily take a league title here too without European football. They won it and that's what is important.

He got outclassed by Arsenal twice? Jose got a great team playing relegation football. Classic Jose? I mean if that's the sort of lame level of argument we're resorting to.

The memory of many football fans are extremely short. Jose won the PL in his debut season in the PL. When the media doubted him, he won it again in the second season making him the only manager aside SAF to have successfully defended a Premier League title.
The memory of everyone is extremely short. That's the world we live in today. At the same time, everyone knows/acknowledges Jose's achievements. I don't see the point of you blowing his trumpet without cause in this particular debate. We know he is/has been a great manager. But in relation to the perception battle, he did end up sinking Chelsea in 14/15 and it's silly to imagine that such an even would not affect his reputation. How do you expect the narrative around Pep, SAF or any other top manager to be after they do that? Obviously there will be a sense of them needing to show his quality again. Such a season for a top manager is nearly unthinkable and hurts his CV, reputation and pride big time.

Conte failed to match that & Pep didn’t manage that. You can talk smack about Jose all you want but he’s got nothing to prove here. If Mourinho can’t get the best out of the current bunch of players we have, no one can. He’s the only manager capable of clipping Pep, Conte is an opportunist!
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Of course he does. Even Messi has something to prove whenever he steps out on the pitch. Even SAF had something to prove every season with new challenges popping up. So obviously Jose Mourinho has a lot to prove here. Especially given the farsical last season at Chelsea, but even regardless of that.

The last few lines is just fan talk. I'm not interested in that.
 
Stop beating about the bush, please. Mourinho has nothing to prove here. If he doesn’t win the PL in his 3 year contract here, it’s simply because the board has refused to back him. The man has won league titles everywhere he’s been. He didn’t suddenly become shit overnight.

He took us straight from 6th to 2nd. A position we haven’t sustained since SAF left. While he was at it, he won more trophies than Liverpool have achieved in the last 11 years. The most interesting part is Jose was fighting for us(fans) with that post-match conference yesterday.

The Glazers cannot continue to sit on vast amount of cash in turnover without investing heavily in the squad. A club as big as United should have 5-7 world class players in its squad. We only have 2(DDG & Pogba). It’s up to the board to respond - Jose’s got nothing to prove!

im sorry but this is absolute shite. Jose has gotten every payer he has wanted bar maybe 1 in Perisic. The past is the past.... every manager has everything to prove at the start of each new year.
 
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