Yeah, sorry, this just isn't good enough. I refuse to believe that this set of players are that bad.
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Seriously, our attacking play is a throw back to 80's 90's at the moment. We lack flair and it seems Mourinho can only do pace and power.
Really?
I mean, this is almost exactly the performance I expected when I saw the team sheet. That front 3 behind the striker doesn't scream goals, pace, and movement.
Have to win this. Don't really see how though
There really is no difference offensively between this side and Moyes side. Same dull shiit, just go wide, cross the ball and pray to hit a teammate in opposition box.
Didn't Terry say that Jose used to come in to training to stick cones out & make them just play football?
This seems like what are game plan is - stick 11 players on the pitch & just play football.
This seems like what are game plan is - stick 11 players on the pitch & just play football.
We've not managed pace and movement with anyone on the field this season. We've had games with goals, but we hardly played brilliant in those games as well.
Sooner or later you will have to start looking at the manager and the tactics, we have absolutely no idea in attack and we can't string together a coherent attack for shit.
There’s no identity, no style of play and players out of position all over the pitch it’s a complete mess. Why play with 2 wingers if you’re going to pick a Mata and Mkhit to play there? then the one winger we do have on the pitch playing through the middle they’re literally in each other’s position.
I can add Young playing right back and Rashford upfront too, it’s no wonder why we’re struggling.
I can add Young playing right back and Rashford upfront too, it’s no wonder why we’re struggling.
Exactly..
Name any new attracking flair players we are link with, they will turn up playing like this under Mourinho. Anyone see Pogba yet in thid game ?
Martial getting overlooked as no.9 is really frustrating even more so when Rashford is played despite his awful form.
Can you blame Mourinho for Mkhitaryan fecking everything up? He needs to hurry the feck up and sign a winger in Jan. If it’s Malcolm or whoever but we need a boost.
He isn’t fully fit.
I must say that judging by the way we play we don't spend a lot time practicing gameplan in the final third.
SAF would not talerate the team that Jose has build. We’re fecking infuriating.
Or any third, for that matter. And that'll be evident once we face a half decent team.
There's far too much 'work in progress' here when you watch United (all over the pitch). Some think this is fine. It really isn't - not when United are a footballing juggernaut.
There's a big issue with our attacking play that nobody can really pin point because we don't watch United training on a daily basis. I mean it's either players or coaching (or both) but we have no idea as supporters.
There's a big issue with our attacking play that nobody can really pin point because we don't watch United training on a daily basis. I mean it's either players or coaching (or both) but we have no idea as supporters.
We have seen this for 4 years. Its' about time the blame goes to the players.
Funny as it may seem, the likes of Rashford, Lingard, Mata, Mkhi and even Martial are not good enough to play week in week out for a top side. Of these, Mkhi alone is Jose's fault. The others are inherited. I expected this shite at the start of the season when we didn't sign any attacker other than Lukaku to replace Ibra, but our players were clinical in taking their chances and so we did well initially. Now that has dried up and we are back to square one, like last season.
Saying we need only 2-3 players in the summer is really concerning me considering the state of our squad. Our attackers are either mediocre or inconsistent.
Funny as it may seem, the likes of Rashford, Lingard, Mata, Mkhi and even Martial are not good enough to play week in week out for a top side. Of these, Mkhi alone is Jose's fault. The others are inherited. I expected this shite at the start of the season when we didn't sign any attacker other than Lukaku to replace Ibra, but our players were clinical in taking their chances and so we did well initially. Now that has dried up and we are back to square one, like last season.
Saying we need only 2-3 players in the summer is really concerning me considering the state of our squad. Our attackers are either mediocre or inconsistent.
Awful to watch. Big physical team with no flair, no penetration. Sick of watching the same shite week in week out
I'm convinced its the players, and we'll have to wait and see which one of us is right.
We had this last season, and replaced our top scorer with another player in the only change whatsoever to the attacking unit. Everything else was just hoping that Rashford and Martial would improve in the summer. They have, but not by enough to carry the entire attacking impetus of the club.
Maybe Mourinho's not helping, but I'm genuinely baffled if people look at our attacking options and think they're currently (i.e. with nothing said about the potential of the players) good enough.
Big? Who are the giants in attack?
Can we start blaming the players as some of them have been serving the same shit under two managers now.
Sorry mate, i doubt that will change anything.
Mkhitaryan was the man in Germany, i bet he signed him base on that. What have changed ? He is not a manager that work well with flair players, history have shown that.
Agreed. You look at our attack compared to the other top teams, we don’t even have a star attacker. We don’t have a consistent performer.
We're beginning to look a poorly managed/coached/drilled/organised team again. Jose needs to sort out the quality of our football and quickly.
Have you seen our team? Mkhi, Lingard, Mata and Rashford 
What do you expect? Mkhi is worse than Bebe, Lingard's biggest quality is movement, Mata's form is close to Mkhi's and Rashford... let's say needs a break.
What do you expect? Mkhi is worse than Bebe, Lingard's biggest quality is movement, Mata's form is close to Mkhi's and Rashford... let's say needs a break.Players do have to take the blame as well. Simple fact is they are not good enough. Miki, Lingard, Rashford, Ibra. All of those are not at the level required to win titles. We need a RW and number 10 as a matter of urgency
No, they are not good enough to win the PL or CL, but they are good enough to win against some of the dross we've faced this season. We've sat deep and looked clueless against minnows ffs.
I don't blame the manager for not going toe to toe with City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham in attack, because we simply don't have the personnel for it. I do excpect them to go toe to toe with Huddersfield, Stoke, Leicester and Bristol city though.
There does seem however, to be a problem with our attackers as unit, regardless of individual performances. That will always get fingers pointed at the coach.
It's been said before that Mourinho has a history (or so it has been said) of caring little for 'coaching' his attackers. I'm sure in certain circumstances that works fine with established players. But the likes of Rashford, as an example, need reeling in and taught how to play (and their decision-making improved), not let off the leash to play with full freedom. If Mourinho just expects them to learn by themselves from experience - that's fine but it's going to be one hell of a frustrating journey and they still might not make it in the end.
But they are good enough to rattle the likes of Burnley, Southampton if we play to their strengths.. why didnt Martial come in for Lukaku ? We have seen seen what he can do playing the no.9 position.
No one is serving up more trash than Mkhitarian though. He's making off form Rashford and Mata look amazing.
I find it baffling that people actually don't understand that you need to have a solid attacking plan In order to be successful nowadays. Just putting 11 players on the pitch and ask them to improvise each time they're attacking without a solid game plan is just ridiculous.
Eh? We should have hit Leicester for six last week.
Yeah, but we didn't, did we?
Poor decision making mostly wasn't it. I guess some just believe it's innate and not coachable.
So how are us missing easy chances the managers fault?
Of course it's not, alas, we look devoid of ideas out there and not for the first time. Something needs to change. I'm of the opinion that bringing a coach who specialises in attacking would not be such a bad idea.
That might be on the personnel, the rest of the games are valid examples though.
I've been supportive of Jose, and I still am since I genuinely can't see an available and realistic alternative out there, but it is clear that we are not well coached in attack.
Some of the teams we've struggled against this season are teams that we should put to the sword, even though our players are not elite level.
Just look at us today against a Southampton in terrible form, do you think Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea or City would have struggled like this?
Granted the team put out today isn't brillaint. But there's no chance they're this bad either. We're just looking disorganised and sloppy all over the pitch right now.
I just think you're holding players of whom, through no fault of their own, too much is being asked to the standards of normal Manchester United attackers. They just don't have the consistency to turn up and put in performances week in week out and the unit suffers because there's always one or two who are dragging down the side.
For my money our attacking options are ranked something like this:
World Class, would start for any team in the world:
Starting quality: Lukaku
Rotation options: Rashford, Lingard, Martial, Mata
Not good enough: Mhkitaryan
Unknown quantities: Zlatan
In order for us to play well we're asking every player in our attacking ranks to play a level better than they currently are. That's no recipe for consistent attacking performances.
Lukaku is off yet we keep crossing the ball towards 1 player in Rashford. Jose tactic ladies and gents. Oozing creativity.
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