Stop gloating Pep. Without all that oil money you'd be nothing. Why don't you take on a proper challenge for a change.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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Lindelof is improving, Zlatan was always a short term signing and served his purpose well last season. Lukaku was a buy we had no choice but to make as our other options were Belotti and Morata (whom Real wouldn't sell to us easily).
Do I for one second think Jose wanted Lukaku, a player he let go, as his absolute first choice? Nope. The rumors prior to him (Jose) becoming our manager were how much he admired Harry Kane. Funny how things work out.
Mkhi is a flop (and even then he helped us a bit in the EL), but so were Nolito and Bravo for Guardiola. Difference is, City allowed Guardiola to replace his own buys. Will Jose get that chance here? He should, and not just once, because for every 4 buys, there could be one dud - the manager is not omniscient.
I seriously don't understand what are you trying to accomplish?
Listen if you have problem with people questioning his youth management due to his previous track record, that is your problem and your problem alone, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it because it's not my responsibility to worry about if you gonna suffer a fit because someone is talking about Salah and KDB.
Why do people bang on about it? Yes he sold de bruyne and Salah. He has been a manager for a long time. Shit like this will happen. It's hilarious people point out he sold Salah as if anyone knew he would end up the player he is.
Like we get it, he sold those two players. He has bought and sold a lot of players. You dont get every single one of them right. To make out its some sort of inherent shortcoming Mourinho has is stupid.
We should also have a poll: who wants to suck Pep's salty balls?
Listen as I said before it is not my problem if you're having a fit and taking any criticism pointed at Mourinho personally. If you don't like it, don't read it and problem solved.
And FYI people are bringing Salah, KDB into conversation because our young players aren't exactly progressing.
Who would you bring in to replace him...?
Genuine question. I'd accept Pochettino, but another foreign coach, new to the PL is a massive gamble.
José wins things, as he's already showed here.
Sorry, we won't be doing such a poll.
You haven't even replied to my points properly. I'm not having a fit either.
You haven't really added anything relevant to the discussion I had with the other poster that has labeled Mourinho's signings successful.
Caravan cup actually seems like like a more appropriate name to be honest
I do agree with most of what you’re putting forward but honestly I don’t see things getting much better than they already are performance wise. So normal circumstances if we finished 2nd you;d say that is a decent season, manager is safe. However there just seems this poison around OT and how depressing and poor our play is if he walked end of the season I honestly wouldn’t care. I’m now so numb to it all I’m just waiting till his tenure is done.
On replacements I don’t think there are any real standouts that we could easily pick up. If say we went for Tuchel that’s another drastic shift in style of manager and would probably need another pretty big investment to get a team he could work with.
Honestly I think Pochettino is the man we should move for after Jose if he maintains a level of consistency with Spurs and I feel like he could work with a set of players left behind by Jose.
I don’t watch enough football outside the PL to know who the quality options are.
I am, however, sick and tired of watching tumescent football served up by cowardly managers.
In any case, Jose won’t be winning a great deal over the next two seasons - we are miles behind at home and in Europe.
Losing against Bristol City was huge in the context of hunting down some silverware this season.
I like the look of Pochettino in one key sense - his teams always play on the front foot. Tbh, I’d take a proper positive team builder over winning tin pot trophies and claiming trebles.
I literally just explained to you the reason people keep mentioning KDB and Salah but it appears you somehow missed it…no surprise there tbh.
Calm down, relax and scroll above to my previous reply and check it out.
PS: Don't take all the criticism pointed towards Mourinho so personally, it's not healthy.
Fair enough. I think right now the result of that kind of a poll would be a bit exaggerated because of majority's current frustration with the way Jose manages United. But it is very interesting to see how divided are the United fans about this subject.
I really though this was the season when we would finally push on and challenge for the league.
False start was all we can smile about as the team and manager have been found out.
I would not lose any sleep Should PSG want moanrinho
False start was all we can smile about as the team and manager have been found out.
I would not lose any sleep Should PSG want moanrinho
@PepG how are you exactly contributing to this thread other than trying to instigate even more conflict between UTD fans by asking for a poll to see who's for and who's against Mourinho?
If you want to gloat you can do that in City or EPL dedicated threads.
If you want to gloat you can do that in City or EPL dedicated threads.
That's why such polls are meaningless after disappointing results. Most opinions will be emotionally skewed towards the negative.
I don't see any manager in the world except supreme cafs god Pep with whom man utd fans would be happy. Jose won us trophies in first season , we are having best start in league in last years but it is not good enough. Today we had 25 shots. But it is all bad.
Do you realise that if jose leaves we start all over again ?
Edit: in my eyes jose is 8.5/10 in this 1.5 years.
He fecked up this transfer window and because of that we are second. And that is why i rate him 8.5.
Do you realise that if jose leaves we start all over again ?
Edit: in my eyes jose is 8.5/10 in this 1.5 years.
He fecked up this transfer window and because of that we are second. And that is why i rate him 8.5.
Get a grip. Nobody expected City to win 17 out of 18 games also. We’d be up there in normal seasons.
Well i kind of understand your and others reaction of my posts. After all my username is PepG. Yes, i am admirer of Guardiola's ideas. And i dont like Mourinho as a coach. But i am not here on this forum to be a WUM. You can check my posts in other threads if you want. United is the only english team i have some sympathy for so more or less i care about what is going on. Thats it.
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Still need to clear out a lot of dead wood before the board will buy more players.
I don't necessarily want him out, but I don't think we'll win the league with him.
I just don't think he's the same manager any more. To me, it is clear something happened to him at Real Madrid. He kind of lost that charisma he was famous for. It'll show up sometimes still, but he seems far more bitter and grumpy these days.
As for his style of play, I think he's been caught up to. He hasn't adapted to the the new era very well, with possession and high pressure and so on. Just trying the same old tricks that used to work very well but aren't up to snuff any longer. Even then, I think he used to execute his attacking play better back at Inter or Chelsea before that. When his teams attacked back then, they were absolutely lethal. His Inter side was destroying European teams in the counter-attacks. Much more meandering these days.
As for his style of play, I think he's been caught up to. He hasn't adapted to the the new era very well, with possession and high pressure and so on. Just trying the same old tricks that used to work very well but aren't up to snuff any longer. Even then, I think he used to execute his attacking play better back at Inter or Chelsea before that. When his teams attacked back then, they were absolutely lethal. His Inter side was destroying European teams in the counter-attacks. Much more meandering these days.
Never wanted him here, and so far he's performing exactly as I expected.
Mediocre football
Negative philosophy
Weak excuses
Slow deterioration of player performance (which usually ends in a dressing room revolt)
If you can endure these things, which I can't, he'll keep us in the title challenging zone.
But let's face it, past experience tells us his tenure here will approach its end next season. Just waiting on the classless off field incident now.
Mediocre football
Negative philosophy
Weak excuses
Slow deterioration of player performance (which usually ends in a dressing room revolt)
If you can endure these things, which I can't, he'll keep us in the title challenging zone.
But let's face it, past experience tells us his tenure here will approach its end next season. Just waiting on the classless off field incident now.
The mans a winner and if we look how many points we are behind City is a good yard stick.
They could dominate the league for the next 5 seasons with the money and manager they have.
I just don't understand how we can look so bereft of creativity against the likes of Burnley, Bristol, Leicester, Bournemouth, WBA lately. With some of the talent we have it's baffling. At what point is this the fault of the coaching rather than the players?
We might be waiting a while for a feel-good result
Weird, since we were winning and the bitching never stopped...
You can't include Leicester in that, ridiculous game. I also think that knocked our confidence big time going into today.
I think something that is true is that people believe that another manager could take the same players, instil the same discipline but also provide them proper coaching for attacking the opposition. I am fecking fed up with how uncoordinated our attack is and you’re a complete moron if you don’t understand how that’s Mourinho’s responsibility.
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Mourinho was always a guaranteed winner for me, and you put up with all the shit that comes with the Mourinho at the cost of winning.
When he's not winning though, he's very hard to stomach. The hypocrisy, throwing the players under the bus - it's annoying as feck.
When he's not winning though, he's very hard to stomach. The hypocrisy, throwing the players under the bus - it's annoying as feck.
Time for a poll and let the fans decide if we want Mourinho out of our club.
It's getting too overwhelming that you can no longer ignore it.
It's getting too overwhelming that you can no longer ignore it.
You don't think we have a team that has even a chance of matching them or even overtaking them in the near future?
Sure thing. Let's not only pretend that Jose is a God but also devalue others achievements. He out performed both Jose and Pep and comfortably.Nope. Way too early for that.
Exactly. Jose cannot win here end of. Jesse scored a worldly by dribbling from his half , still plenty want him out. We've been pushed into darkness so far ahead that we have no clue between good and bad anymore.
Let's analyze this in detail:
Tactics - Decent. Ignoring the silly goals we've conceded lately, we've been excellent defensively & create lots of chances when Pogba plays. The issue is we aren't building towards a philosophy on how we are going to play with the ball in possession and convert that to goals consistently and also tend to shut up shop at the first moment Mourinho loses confidence, which hardly helps. If you've played sports you know that a lot of it is instincts you develop through continuous training or experience. Planning the perfect game & expecting each player to have the intelligence to adapt to any situation is naive & just horrible management in my opinion.
Squad management - The reason we should fire Mourinho or hire a DOF.
FB (questionable) - We had 3 decent FB's (Young, Shaw, Valencia). With Young being able to play either flank, we only need 1 more & probably sell one or both of Blind/Darmian. Youngsters can provide additional depth.
CB (fail) - With Bailly, Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Blind as decent starters & a promising youngsters in TFM & Tunazebe. You could say we can focus our attention elsewhere. Instead we cough up valuable 31m on Lindelof who's not very convincing.
MC (great) - With Herrera playing well last year as the BWM defensive role, we'll need a holding midfielder to pair with him to utilize Pobga, our world class midfielder, in a more attacking role. We buy the right player, but somehow don't deploy them properly as we keep our world class midfielder who can dribble, pass, shoot, hold up the ball, win the ball, head the ball an amazing 40 yards from the goal most of the times (idiotic). Great depth with Mkhi/Lingard/Martial being able to play in that no. 10 role. TFM can sub in for Herrera in that BWM role, Carrick backing up Matic. And Fellaini should be sold, but can be kept as a tactical weapon.
LW/RW (fail) - Arguable the area of biggest need last year with 2 of our natural wingers in Mkhi & Lingard performing poorly alongside an out of position trio of Martial, Rashford, & Mata. We really needed to sell Mata (since we have Pogba & Mkhi who can play that advanced midfield role) & add 2 quality players to which Lingard, Mkhi, Martial can back up.
ST(questionable) - With talent like Martial & Rashford we didn't really need to invest more. Maybe bringing in a cheap experienced striker the likes of Giroud, Defoe, or Mandzukic if we need players who can tap it in. Instead we go spending 75m on the likes of an unproven Lukaku. Imagine if Tottenham would have shoved Harry Kane out wide a couple years ago and bought another CF. Silly stuff.
In summary we have 8 players whose best position takes up 2 positions (attacking mid & striker) in Mourinho's tactics! 0 natural wingers for 2 winger positions. 6 defenders for 2 positions. And not enough depth at the fullback position.
Adjustments & Training - Average. Mourinho tends to learn from roughly half his mistakes, which is a big upgrade from our last two managers. But we see limited improvements in the player's skills or confidence, unless its running around like a headless chicken.
Developing Youth - Not great. Despite an abundance of young players in the squad, they aren't being put. They are thrown in the deep end and if they manage to figure it out great, otherwise they are given the cold shoulder. Hardly nurturing.
Mourinho has gotten the broad strokes right, but has continuously missed with key details particularly with the squad management & sensible youth development (not at the cost of trophies). Not sure trusting him with 200m is wise. Buy 1 quality winger in Jan. & if he can't do a combination of winning a trophy & top 3, replace him in the summer. Too rigid (lack of evolution with tactics), poor motivator (whines & blames others constantly), & doesn't optimize what he has. Only way i think Mourinho can beat Pep is if he buys the title. Why not try and find someone better who fits our philosophy with attacking football & developing youngsters. Klopp, Poch, Tuchel, Ancelotti, & Jardim are some names who can easily do better with the talent we have and the money to back them. Maybe also hire a really good DOF.
Tactics - Decent. Ignoring the silly goals we've conceded lately, we've been excellent defensively & create lots of chances when Pogba plays. The issue is we aren't building towards a philosophy on how we are going to play with the ball in possession and convert that to goals consistently and also tend to shut up shop at the first moment Mourinho loses confidence, which hardly helps. If you've played sports you know that a lot of it is instincts you develop through continuous training or experience. Planning the perfect game & expecting each player to have the intelligence to adapt to any situation is naive & just horrible management in my opinion.
Squad management - The reason we should fire Mourinho or hire a DOF.
FB (questionable) - We had 3 decent FB's (Young, Shaw, Valencia). With Young being able to play either flank, we only need 1 more & probably sell one or both of Blind/Darmian. Youngsters can provide additional depth.
CB (fail) - With Bailly, Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Blind as decent starters & a promising youngsters in TFM & Tunazebe. You could say we can focus our attention elsewhere. Instead we cough up valuable 31m on Lindelof who's not very convincing.
MC (great) - With Herrera playing well last year as the BWM defensive role, we'll need a holding midfielder to pair with him to utilize Pobga, our world class midfielder, in a more attacking role. We buy the right player, but somehow don't deploy them properly as we keep our world class midfielder who can dribble, pass, shoot, hold up the ball, win the ball, head the ball an amazing 40 yards from the goal most of the times (idiotic). Great depth with Mkhi/Lingard/Martial being able to play in that no. 10 role. TFM can sub in for Herrera in that BWM role, Carrick backing up Matic. And Fellaini should be sold, but can be kept as a tactical weapon.
LW/RW (fail) - Arguable the area of biggest need last year with 2 of our natural wingers in Mkhi & Lingard performing poorly alongside an out of position trio of Martial, Rashford, & Mata. We really needed to sell Mata (since we have Pogba & Mkhi who can play that advanced midfield role) & add 2 quality players to which Lingard, Mkhi, Martial can back up.
ST(questionable) - With talent like Martial & Rashford we didn't really need to invest more. Maybe bringing in a cheap experienced striker the likes of Giroud, Defoe, or Mandzukic if we need players who can tap it in. Instead we go spending 75m on the likes of an unproven Lukaku. Imagine if Tottenham would have shoved Harry Kane out wide a couple years ago and bought another CF. Silly stuff.
In summary we have 8 players whose best position takes up 2 positions (attacking mid & striker) in Mourinho's tactics! 0 natural wingers for 2 winger positions. 6 defenders for 2 positions. And not enough depth at the fullback position.
Adjustments & Training - Average. Mourinho tends to learn from roughly half his mistakes, which is a big upgrade from our last two managers. But we see limited improvements in the player's skills or confidence, unless its running around like a headless chicken.
Developing Youth - Not great. Despite an abundance of young players in the squad, they aren't being put. They are thrown in the deep end and if they manage to figure it out great, otherwise they are given the cold shoulder. Hardly nurturing.
Mourinho has gotten the broad strokes right, but has continuously missed with key details particularly with the squad management & sensible youth development (not at the cost of trophies). Not sure trusting him with 200m is wise. Buy 1 quality winger in Jan. & if he can't do a combination of winning a trophy & top 3, replace him in the summer. Too rigid (lack of evolution with tactics), poor motivator (whines & blames others constantly), & doesn't optimize what he has. Only way i think Mourinho can beat Pep is if he buys the title. Why not try and find someone better who fits our philosophy with attacking football & developing youngsters. Klopp, Poch, Tuchel, Ancelotti, & Jardim are some names who can easily do better with the talent we have and the money to back them. Maybe also hire a really good DOF.
How was Lukakku unproven? He has consistently scored 20 goals a season.
For the people who think Mourinho is failing, do you think Conte has failed this season? Chelsea are the reigning champions of England and they have put up an extremely weak titled defence. All I see from neutrals, media, and our own fans sticking the boot into Jose but very hush on Chelsea letting their title go.
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