Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[spiriticon]

What he can do, is to stop fecking sitting back and waiting for our team to go 2 down before deciding to attack.

We are not the 2005 Chelsea team. We are about as defensively water tight as a sponge.

 

[Sayros]

Oh boy, I have to say I'm a little disgusted by his post-game comments. He sounds like an absolute loser complaining about City's spending on full-backs. If I'm the board, I sit him down and tell him to never spout nonsense like that again. He's making the club look bad not just with his results now but with his comments. It's pathetic.

 

[SirAF]

Oh boy, I have to say I'm a little disgusted by his post-game comments. He sounds like an absolute loser complaining about City's spending on full-backs. If I'm the board, I sit him down and tell him to never spout nonsense like that again. He's making the club look bad not just with his results now but with his comments. It's pathetic.

 

[Wengerscoat]

Wenger is a failure, but I can't believe that if we win our next game we will only be 5 points behind United. If you guys finish anywhere near our garbage team then that's a failure.

 

[Moonred]

Luckily for Jose, there isn’t a magical solution. No matter who is the coach, it will take time. He will get his 3rd year and lots of money and another crack. Hopefully for us, he recollects his old trick of making players run through a brick wall for him and starts showing some tactical flexibility. Hope he gets lucky with some good players with enough heart and equal amount of luck on the pitch.

 

[CM21]

I'm actually baffled by how many of you that want him out. Who would you rather have?

It's less "We want you out ,Jose" and more "We're getting tired of this shit,Jose"

Obviously there isn't another (available) manager we'd have over him

 

[cyberman]

He's right though. We had to spend that much to catch up with Chelsea etc never mind find the City God level this year.
If you want to scare yourself, go look at the squad list before he took over. 500m wouldn't have been enough to turn us into champions.
Were exactly where we should be in terms of squad quality.

 

[Axkiko]

The excuses are out. The end is near


At that point in the season and how things were going, it was extreme cowardice to do what we did there. Please don't compare our result with Arsenal's.

Same thought. He’s trying to avoid his responsibility now, just like his time at Madrid and Chelsea. Blame the player first, then board. Exactly happened at Leicester to blame player were childish and now blaming Woodward didn’t provided enough financial support. Eventually he asks fans blaming the board instead of himself.

The end is near and I don’t see hierarchy would extend his contract or he is interest to stay longer.

 

[liamp]

There’s no such thing as a long term manager. Do you think if we got Pep that he would have stayed here 10 years when he did only 4 at his boyhood club.

Yes keep hiring and firing managers till we eventually get it right. Hiring journeymen who have won nothing is the answer though to all our problems.

I know you're being sarcastic, but that is what will happen and it's absolute fecking insanity. Jose's partially right in that he's having to deal with purchases (successes and mistakes) made by other managers who play completely different styles than he does. Whoever comes in after Jose, if that person is a different style of coach which I have to imagine will be the case, will have the exact same problem to deal with. When other big clubs fire coaches, it doesn't leave anywhere near the same long-term ripples as it does here.

When Jose says 300mm is not enough, it means he's nowhere near finished constructing a squad filled with his players. The sad thing is, he'll probably be able to accomplish maybe 40-60% of his vision before he gets sacked or leaves, and it'll be up to the poor bloke up next (ad infinitum) to pick up the pieces and contort it for his needs

 

[Vato]

Did you want him out of Real Madrid years ago?

Yes, but more due to things that happened off the pitch tbh. There was a lot of unrest at the end of his tenure. Like cliques forming in the dressing room etc..

 

[Fracture90]

He's right though. We had to spend that much to catch up with Chelsea etc never mind find the City God level this year.
If you want to scare yourself, go look at the squad list before he took over. 500m wouldn't have been enough to turn us into champions.
Were exactly where we should be in terms of squad quality.

Yeah but is there any guarantees that him spending ridiculous amounts of money will make us any better and more competitive?

Buying superstar players, throwing them on the pitch with the message "defend as I taught you, attack as you feel you should" isn't all there is to success, you need a firm plan, proper football style and the right approach (not blaming it all on the players when you lose, but taking all the accolades when you win).

 

[Fracture90]

Did you want him out of Real Madrid years ago?

I think more appropriate question would be if he would want him back at Madrid, to replace Zidane.

 

[Sayros]

He's right though. We had to spend that much to catch up with Chelsea etc never mind find the City God level this year.
If you want to scare yourself, go look at the squad list before he took over. 500m wouldn't have been enough to turn us into champions.
Were exactly where we should be in terms of squad quality.

Yes, but that doesn't absolve Mourinho. I don't think anyone should be upset that Manchester City is destroying the Premier league, it's just one of those seasons where everything is going right for a team, and I don't think any coach in the world could do something about it at the moment. The thing is the lack of tactical imprint, the moaning and blaming, the fact that the team still looks like they just started playing together. Jose Mourinho is known as a defensive coach and yet the team doesn't inspire that notion of a defensive wall to get through for other teams, big or small.

 

[cyberman]

Yeah but is there any guarantees that him spending ridiculous amounts of money will make us any better and more competitive?

Buying superstar players, throwing them on the pitch with the message "defend as I taught you, attack as you feel you should" isn't all there is to success, you need a firm plan, proper football style and the right approach (not blaming it all on the players when you lose, but taking all the accolades when you win).

But the point is that it's not just superstars going for that amount of money these days. We've still got a squad that is full of slow, smaller players or stronger players with pace.
We can't seem to make simple changes without it changing the whole team up.
Look at City, their front line is exactly the front line they had before Pep joined. That allows him to buy Jesus and Silva which allows seamless changes. Not only do we need those subs but we have to buy the players they're replacing.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Lingard thrives in this formation, he's great at breaking the lines and linking midfield to attack but it shines a light on the fact that position is vital to our side and we have Lingard there. It's those little pieces that are letting us down but it's hard to blame the club when it would have literally meant buying an entirely new starting 11 in 12 months.
Not even the biggest oil clubs in world football can do that

 

[cyberman]

Yes, but that doesn't absolve Mourinho. I don't think anyone should be upset that Manchester City is destroying the Premier league, it's just one of those seasons where everything is going right for a team, and I don't think any coach in the world could do something about it at the moment. The thing is the lack of tactical imprint, the moaning and blaming, the fact that the team still looks like they just started playing together. Jose Mourinho is known as a defensive coach and yet the team doesn't inspire that notion of a defensive wall to get through for other teams, big or small.

I tend to think this is how teams inbetween title challenges and top 4 operate. We haven't the consistency to perform week in week out but have moments of quality that makes us hate the fact we aren't consistent.
Our defence is in the same boat. Shaw and Young will not be with us next year for good reason and I don't think Jose will allow us to miss out on a Perisic for a few million more again.

 

[Fracture90]

But the point is that it's not just superstars going for that amount of money these days. We've still got a squad that is full of slow, smaller players or stronger players with pace.
We can't seem to make simple changes without it changing the whole team up.
Look at City, their front line is exactly the front line they had before Pep joined. That allows him to buy Jesus and Silva which allows seamless changes. Not only do we need those subs but we have to buy the players they're replacing.
I don't think it's any coincidence that Lingard thrives in this formation, he's great at breaking the lines and linking midfield to attack but it shines a light on the fact that position is vital to our side and we have Lingard there. It's those little pieces that are letting us down but it's hard to blame the club when it would have literally meant buying an entirely new starting 11 in 12 months.
Not even the biggest oil clubs in world football can do that

Dude how da hell is City's front line exactly the same as before Guardiola joined? He brought in Sane and Jesus and made them into starters.

You need to understand that Guardiola managed to get even more from his players because he has a style of football and football philosophy that he follows, he made hard cuts when they were needed (Toure), identified the problems (RB, LB, GK) and worked them out.

 

[Oneunited26]

Yes, but that doesn't absolve Mourinho. I don't think anyone should be upset that Manchester City is destroying the Premier league, it's just one of those seasons where everything is going right for a team, and I don't think any coach in the world could do something about it at the moment. The thing is the lack of tactical imprint, the moaning and blaming, the fact that the team still looks like they just started playing together. Jose Mourinho is known as a defensive coach and yet the team doesn't inspire that notion of a defensive wall to get through for other teams, big or small.

Its not even what city are doing, the way we have performed and showing no fight or fire sums it up, we look and perform like a team of losers easily accepting defeat waiting for the axe to fall, with no motivation. This club is has inspiring has reading a book without words in it, we are in a generation where our neighbors are embarrassing us not with just the shadow hanging over us, its a damn storm and they just accepting the defeat, where is the fire? where is the ruthless aggression to fight? Fact is Jose has failed to add to key positions where we are weak at, RB, LB, CB, AM, RW, still CF position in the way Lukaku is performing, we will need to upgrade over valencia, young, herrera, mata, even lukaku it seems, if we have upgrades over these players we be a hell of allot better has a team

 

[haram]

Boring and pointless why? Those 2 are amongst the best in the prem atm.

I guess if you want you can add Lukaku and Robben as well...

Because people banging on about him selling Mo Salah once upon a time is such a shit point to throw against Jose Mourinho who has achieved so much in his career.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Soulless, joyless, uninspiring. Yeah it’s a Jose team now. He’s been poor and I’m fed up of his and people’s excuses for him.

 

[Fracture90]

Because people banging on about him selling Mo Salah once upon a time is such a shit point to throw against Jose Mourinho who has achieved so much in his career.

So because of good things he has achieved we should never talk about and ignore his shortcomings? I'm confused...

 

[iamherenow]

He bought a midfielder for the price of a striker.

Because we basically had no midfield...our current best midfield is the one he brought in and Herrera has been shown up to be quite limited this season and we still need a better midfield..150m in this current market will get you at most two top quality players and that's what we spend every summer...
The other option is to go the youth route,but since we have fans that being second is not good enough,i don't think they will have patience if we bring in kids either..

 

[Son Of Sam]

You mean apart from Conte whose already done it last season?

Conte did nothing. He benefitted from only having to compete in one competition. His players had mostly 7-9 days to put their feet up and properly prepare for a league game. It wasn’t a fair fight.

 

[RedCoffee]

For me Mourinho fecked up our season when we bottled it against Liverpool. It’s all about confidence and momentum in football and we threw it away then.

 

[liamp]

Because we basically had no midfield...our current best midfield is the one he brought in and Herrera has been shown up to be quite limited this season and we still need a better midfield..150m in this current market will get you at most two top quality players and that's what we spend every summer...
The other option is to go the youth route,but since we have fans that being second is not good enough,i don't think they will have patience if we bring in kids either..

My point isn't that he made the wrong choice. I'm saying he's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Canagel]

I miss Fergie. I wish he was 10 years younger so we could get him out of retirement. City dominating must hurt him more than anyone and if he was given the opportunity to return I'm sure he would.

 

[iamherenow]

Yeah but is there any guarantees that him spending ridiculous amounts of money will make us any better and more competitive?

Buying superstar players, throwing them on the pitch with the message "defend as I taught you, attack as you feel you should" isn't all there is to success, you need a firm plan, proper football style and the right approach (not blaming it all on the players when you lose, but taking all the accolades when you win).

The guarantee is that most of his buys are currently our best players, which shows if we release the fund and let him get more of his players in,we will keep progressing and improving the team..

 

[haram]

So because of good things he has achieved we should never talk about and ignore his shortcomings? I'm confused...

Is it really a "shortcoming" if its two players in his long career and one of them is fecking Mo Salah? That's my point.

 

[iamherenow]

My point isn't that he made the wrong choice. I'm saying he's the pot calling the kettle black.

I think he is saying pep had a good base and he is still allowed to spend the amount of a striker on fullbacks and he is here having to prioritize his signings due to our budget...just imagine we not buying lukaku and using rashford and martial till Christmas..mourning big money signings has been on the spine not on additional fillers.

 

[Fracture90]

The guarantee is that most of his buys are currently our best players, which shows if we release the fund and let him get more of his players in,we will keep progressing and improving the team..

But that's not a guarantee. Miki is a bust, Lindelof started really bad, Zlatan is dreadful this season and he wasn't setting the world on fire last season either... Matić and Pogba are looking pretty good no denying that whilst Lukaku is quite limited to be spearheading our attack.

You can't just throw ridiculous money at every manager and hope his signings come good because despite 350 million he has spent, we're still playing God awful football and looking dreadful going forward.

Is it really a "shortcoming" if its two players in his long career and one of them is fecking Mo Salah? That's my point.

Yes it is, because those 2 players are standouts in prem atm. Told you you can also count in Lukaku and Robben I guess because he made a poor judgement with them as well.

 

[Himannv]

Oh boy, I have to say I'm a little disgusted by his post-game comments. He sounds like an absolute loser complaining about City's spending on full-backs. If I'm the board, I sit him down and tell him to never spout nonsense like that again. He's making the club look bad not just with his results now but with his comments. It's pathetic.

I actually saw this as a message to the board that basically says "as a big club we need to spend more to be better than our rivals". The timing is nice as well isn't it: January is just around the corner.

 

[soapythecat]

My issue with Mourinho is that he hasn’t really improved anyone.
Martial and Rashford have stalled and look shot of confidence. Miki, well who knows what’s happened there. I could go on. For some players their stats make them look like they’ve had a good season but that doesn’t match the poor performances. Lingard is one of his few bright sparks.
If he really is the chosen one, then how come he can’t get much more out of this squad? Is this squad really that much overrated and is our time in 2nd place a lucky spell?
Today’s first half was so bad, it was unbearable. Seeing players looking uneasy on the ball and Zlatan looking like he was there after winning the slot in a raffle, you have to wonder what is happening on the training ground.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

What he can do, is to stop fecking sitting back and waiting for our team to go 2 down before deciding to attack.

We are not the 2005 Chelsea team. We are about as defensively water tight as a sponge.

I'm not going to articulate this very well, but I'll try. I agree with you.....

My biggest concern with Jose's actual management style at the moment, is to me, he seems a bit like Pennywise the Clown from 'It'. It's as though he's stuck in a time-warp or has woken up from hibernation or something.

In his head, 'his way' of football is not only still relevant and modern, but it's also easily transferable and easily applied to any squad of players. He knows no other way, so he has to try and impose the style on our squad......sadly, we don't have the players to carry this out.

Classic Mourinho teams had a rock-solid spine of a DM, a back 4 and GK. They needed to be rock-solid to soak up as much pressure as possible when Jose decided he wanted his team to play conservatively. The problem he has here, is our versions of his spine are nowhere near as strong and reliable as his previous teams. We have a selection of CB's who, while being good in general, are all extremely flappable and prone to panicking.....therefore, parking the bus turns into a relentless siege and panicked clearances/brainfarts.

Most notably, though; - Classic Mourinho teams were filled with 'warrior' types. Jose likes his teams to run through brick walls for him, and thus he wants tough, no nonsense leaders rallying the team on the pitch. Sadly, Jose seems to have forgotten what this type of player is. Whereas previously, he could spot a 'warrior', now he just seems to think that if a player is big, that makes him a warrior.

Hence his penchant for signing big, imposing players. His belief that Fellaini was so important to us. Unfortunately, none of these big players appear to have the warrior spirit he thought he was getting. Lukaku, Pogba, Matic, all big, strong blokes but none of them exude that mental toughness and attitude that, I think, Jose thought he'd be getting.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I'm actually baffled by how many of you that want him out. Who would you rather have?

This.

What Mourinho's said is true. But as so often is the case, truth isn't appreciated.

We need a new fullback, another midfielder, a wide forward and a 10.

Let him get these, then lets see.

We're 2nd in the PL and last season finished 6th!

Where is the pressure on last year's winners, Chelsea? Where's the pressure on last year's 2nd place team, Spuds?

I really hope the club doesn't get swayed by the ABU media because José is doing a good job and deserves to be supported to rebuild this team.

 

[Luke1995]

I do think that United has made progress since Moyes and Van Gaal but the lack of a ruthless desire to win remains the same and Mourinho hardly helps playing mind games with the pres. One of Ferguson greatest strenghts was that he used mind games when he felt a certain player would respond well to it but he could put an arm around the shoulder aswell to give confidence, Mourinho has used the same tactic in every team he's ever managed which is to raise the pressure everytime, that can work wonders in teams full of winning mentality like the Inter,Madrid and some of the Chelsea's he managed but this one has Pogba, Zlatan and Carrick, that's it. Another concern is that Jose does not have a great eye for young players in the market. In short, if the squad can't get around the ''us against them'' tactic, it won't work in the long term

 

[PepG]

I think its time for a poll. Lets see how many United fans want Jose out.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Oh boy, I have to say I'm a little disgusted by his post-game comments. He sounds like an absolute loser complaining about City's spending on full-backs. If I'm the board, I sit him down and tell him to never spout nonsense like that again. He's making the club look bad not just with his results now but with his comments. It's pathetic.

I've often criticised JM on here but I'm really not arsed how the club looks tbh. Let Liverpool, Newcastle and other image-obsessed clubs worry about that.

 

[Feed Me]

This.

What Mourinho's said is true. But as so often is the case, truth isn't appreciated.

We need a new fullback, another midfielder, a wide forward and a 10.

Let him get these, then lets see.

We're 2nd in the PL and last season finished 6th!

Where is the pressure on last year's winners, Chelsea? Where's the pressure on last year's 2nd place team, Spuds?

I really hope the club doesn't get swayed by the ABU media because José is doing a good job and deserves to be supported to rebuild this team.

Let’s see how long we stay second. We will be struggling to finish top four the way things are going. Liverpool and Spurs are now scoring freely, Chelsea are on our coat tails and Arsenal are lurking around.

Yes, we are currently in a good position, but eight points from our last five matches is a better barometer of where we are at.

 

[haram]

But that's not a guarantee. Miki is a bust, Lindelof started really bad, Zlatan is dreadful this season and he wasn't setting the world on fire last season either... Matić and Pogba are looking pretty good no denying that whilst Lukaku is quite limited to be spearheading our attack.

You can't just throw ridiculous money at every manager and hope his signings come good because despite 350 million he has spent, we're still playing God awful football and looking dreadful going forward.



Yes it is, because those 2 players are standouts in prem atm. Told you you can also count in Lukaku and Robben I guess because he made a poor judgement with them as well.

Would anyone bang on about Fergie not getting Pogba and Tevez to stay? No. Because everyone makes mistakes. Even with losing these players Mou and SAF were still successful. People need to give it a rest.

He's so bad! He sold Mo Salah! Like really? Have some perspective.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Soulless, joyless, uninspiring. Yeah it’s a Jose team now. He’s been poor and I’m fed up of his and people’s excuses for him.

Wouldn't say he's been poor but he's been no more than average. People bang on about his two trophies last season but one was the Caravan Cup, from which every other big team bar Liverpool tried to get eliminated, and the other was the Europa and we were practically the only big team in it. Getting top four would have been a bigger achievement.

People say we should give him time, but if the style of football is bad (and it is) how can we be confident he's going to get it right?

As to the argument that there's nobody out there - it's a fair argument but if mourinho's not the right man, we're not losing anything taking a punt on someone else are we?

I'd give it to the end of the season to see if the football gets better, but hopefully the board are looking out for potential up-and-coming managers in the meantime.

Edit: Carabao Cup. Stupid autocorrect

 

[Fracture90]

Would anyone bang on about Fergie not getting Pogba and Tevez to stay? No. Because everyone makes mistakes. Even with losing these players Mou and SAF were still successful. People need to give it a rest.

He's so bad! He sold Mo Salah! Like really? Have some perspective.

I seriously don't understand what are you trying to accomplish?

Listen if you have problem with people questioning his youth management due to his previous track record, that is your problem and your problem alone, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it because it's not my responsibility to worry about if you gonna suffer a fit because someone is talking about Salah and KDB.