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He's failing at what he's supposed to be good at too - organizing defenses and getting results.


Think the turning point was that Liverpool game instead. His extreme cowardice in that game killed off all the early season momentum we had.

My friend who is a liverpool fan was stunned when he saw his play a none attacking brand of football, when liverpool could not defend a cold. I think that spineless play for a draw when they could not defend for shit has done more bad than good from him
 
Really starting to get sick of this guy at the moment. Just cheer the up FFS and try and bring back the arrogance and swagger to old trafford rather than this everyone is out to get me bullsh*t which is out of his mouth every damn week.
 
We really don't seem to have any plan of attack, and his response to being 2-0 down was just to pile attacking players on, there was no change of scheme or alteration to the pattern of play.

In fairness, it did the job didn't it!
The Tottenham thrashing aside, they've been excellent against big teams this year, especially away
 
The excuses are out. The end is near:drool:


At that point in the season and how things were going, it was extreme cowardice to do what we did there. Please don't compare our result with Arsenal's.

Ok how did Chelsea do at Anfield?

You would have been the first one crying if we opened up and lost by 3-0.
 
My friend who is a liverpool fan was stunned when he saw his play a none attacking brand of football, when liverpool could not defend a cold. I think that spineless play for a draw when they could not defend for shit has done more bad than good from him
Exactly mate. That game destroyed the season for us. The players have been visibly deflated since.

I guess over 350 million € spent doesn't help you beat the likes of Burnley, Stoke, Huddersfield etc nowadays…
The acolytes will lap it up though.
 
Potchetinno should gift some of his salary to Kane. What kind of silly logic is that?

Sarri has been a journeyman for 20 years. The revolving door of managers at Juve, Milan clubs, Lazio and Roma yet it’s taken him 17 years to get a big job.

Jardim last season aside his teams have generally been dreadful to watch. You just plucked out any old names.

The Kane comparison doesn't really make any sense. He is playing great because of Pochettino's setup. They are playing great stuff on their day and Kane is a fantastic striker of course. That our goalkeeper is our best player and still need to do tons of saves all the time doesn't speak four our team, it even makes you question our defence, which really isn't that good.

Sarri needed a bit of time to get to the top flight, does it matter? Once he arrived there, he did a great job at Empoli and Napoli now. At the end of the year he might have won Serie A. And I know that Jardim proved he can be very pragmatic too, did a great job at Sporting and Monaco nevertheless. They are managers on the up atm, you can go for Allegri in the summer too. At the end looking at records from the last decade brought us to van Gaal and maybe Jose, but they might have their best days behind them and it doesn't matter today.
In the end we need to look at someone else if it isn't working. To just put the head in the sand and ignore big problems will just lead us into a bigger crisis. Jose is a short-term manager, he never struggled so much for having an huge impact on his team and he never improved a team further in his third year and more, so I don't think it's likely those things happen here.
 
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You're very quick to draw a negative comparison in defense of Mourinho when is needed.



Ofc we're allowed to disagree.

It's manager's task to keep his players motivated and up for the challenge, but I guess it can be demotivating when your manager tells you before Liverpool game to defend at all cost and then defend some more.

Either way we can agree to disagree.

I am saying even the greats make mistakes. To bash Mourinho for selling 2 players in his long and prestigious career is boring and pointless. Especially when one of them is Mo Salah. Especially when he went on to win the league anyway.
 
I guess over 350 million € spent doesn't help you beat the likes of Burnley, Stoke, Huddersfield etc nowadays…

Well the past few years he decided to keep faith with 60% of the players who were not good enough to the point its become a god awful siege mentality, blind, rojo, jones, smalling, young, herrera, lingard, fellaini, carrick, mata, he plays no 10's has wingers, average wingers has fullbacks, CB's who spend half the time on the sidelines, and strikers who have very limited overall ability will score some goals case point lukaku who seems to not be able to handle the heat when it gets tough. The summer activity over the past few summers was not ruthless enough or effective to see a transition when allot of these players have been here since 2010-14
 


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Ok how did Chelsea do at Anfield?

You would have been the first one crying if we opened up and lost by 3-0.
At that point in the season, we were far far more likely to win 3-0 at anfield, than the home team. feck's sake Mourinho has conditioned some us so well that our first instinct is the fear of losing 3-0 if we opened up and played football.:wenger:
 
The Kane comparison doesn't really make any sense. He is playing great because of Pochettino's setup. They are playing great stuff on their day and Kane is great of course. That our goalkeeper is our best player and still need to do tons of saves all the time doesn't speak four our team, it even makes you question our defence, which really isn't that good.

Sarri needed a bit of time to get to the top flight, does it matter? One he arrived there, he did a great job at Empoli and Napoli now. At the end of the year he might have won Serie A. And I know that Jardim proved he can be very pragmatic too, did a great job at Sporting and Monaco nevertheless. They are managers on the up atm, you can go for Allegri in the summer too. At the end looking at records from the last decade brought us to van Gaal and maybe Jose, but they might have their best days behind them and it doesn't matter today.
In the end we need to look at someone else if it isn't working. To just put the head in the sand and ignore big problems will just lead uns into a bigger crisis. Jose is a short-term manager, he never struggled so much for having an huge impact on his team and he never improved a team further in his third year and more, so I don't think it's likely those things happen here.


There’s no such thing as a long term manager. Do you think if we got Pep that he would have stayed here 10 years when he did only 4 at his boyhood club.

Yes keep hiring and firing managers till we eventually get it right. Hiring journeymen who have won nothing is the answer though to all our problems.
 
At that point in the season, we were far far more likely to win 3-0 at anfield, than the home team. feck's sake Mourinho has conditioned some us so well that our first instinct is the fear of losing 3-0 if we opened up and played football.:wenger:

Probably the most underrating of Anfield fixture I have ever seen in my life.

We hadn't done that under Fergie against far worse Liverpool side at some seasons.
 
At that point in the season, we were far far more likely to win 3-0 at anfield, than the home team. feck's sake Mourinho has conditioned some us so well that our first instinct is the fear of losing 3-0 if we opened up and played football.:wenger:

Yet Liverpool have barely conceded 3 goals at Anfield this season.

You confusing their away day dramas when they actually had one of the best defences at home.
 
I am saying even the greats make mistakes. To bash Mourinho for selling 2 players in his long and prestigious career is boring and pointless. Especially when one of them is Mo Salah. Especially when he went on to win the league anyway.

Boring and pointless why? Those 2 are amongst the best in the prem atm.

I guess if you want you can add Lukaku and Robben as well...
 
I agree with everything Jose said in his press conference, in fact it's exactly what I have said on here for years to defend Jose and LvG

Utd's spending has been nothing more than par for what a big club ought/needs to be spending even to have a hope of competing. To complain that we are 'only 2nd' because we have spent £350m is like the boss of Force India demanding to know why they failed to beat McLaren in the constructors championship last year after investing millions

We have some stupid, ungrateful whiny fans (as do any club) - if you don't like it and you are not happy please go and support City because the cold reality is that we will be looking up at them for a while to come yet - and even longer if we get rid of Jose
 
That’s a Benz....
Jose is the Ferrari and I can wager you £100 that Jose is the only manager in the world that can clip Pep’s wings.

Klopp, Poch, etc may play fanciful attacking football that will win few games here and there, but they will never win titles.

If we can’t have Pep, Jose is the only manager out there that can do the job we need.....unless you want to take us back to the LVG era when we were kings of possession football and couldn’t win a single league game in the month of December.
You mean apart from Conte whose already done it last season?
 


Wish press would ask him why are we so God awful going forward and is he coaching any attacking football in practice whatsoever? Is he drawing attack plan, players movement, tactics and the way of attack other then just getting the ball to your flair players and hope for the best.
 
In fairness, it did the job didn't it!
The Tottenham thrashing aside, they've been excellent against big teams this year, especially away

It might sound awkward but the point grabbed felt like it came more from Lingard's quick thinking than a collective change in how we attacked them in the second half, our approach play didn't alter or improve.
 
I agree with everything Jose said in his press conference, in fact it's exactly what I have said on here for years to defend Jose and LvG

Utd's spending has been nothing more than par for what a big club ought/needs to be spending even to have a hope of competing. To complain that we are 'only 2nd' because we have spent £350m is like the boss of Force India demanding to know why they failed to beat McLaren in the constructors championship last year after investing millions

We have some stupid, ungrateful whiny fans (as do any club) - if you don't like it and you are not happy please go and support City because the cold reality is that we will be looking up at them for a while to come yet - and even longer if we get rid of Jose

Who are you quoting there?
 
The excuses need to stop, a club can't just buy an entire new squad every time a manager is changed, that is the reason why the manager usually gets the boot when teams are not performing well as it is much cheaper to replace a manager than buy a new squad.

He has been backed and not all of his signings have worked. Which of the players has he really improved that he inherited?? That is a part of the manager as well. Pep may have bought new FBs, but he improved the players that he inherited massively as well.
 
At that point in the season, we were far far more likely to win 3-0 at anfield, than the home team. feck's sake Mourinho has conditioned some us so well that our first instinct is the fear of losing 3-0 if we opened up and played football.:wenger:
You realize that thing can change dramastically when hitting rock bottom? L'pool did before going into our game and played out of their skin as they usually against us at Anfield. After that game, they improved. They still had shocking result, but overall they start scoring plenty again. What if they can do it? This game as our problem is overstated. Problem is with players' attitude vs Huddersfield, many moment against Chelsea, Watford, West Brom, Arsenal, Bristol,... where our player didn't put in enough effort and let the other get back into game (even winning). We may not control the game via possession, but as our top form, we can stifle opposition into not to be able to play and hit them in counter. At the moment we expose ourselves and make bad decisions when the chance appears. It's not tactic/ approach issue. It's question about quality for those players who is experienced.
 
The excuses need to stop, a club can't just buy an entire new squad every time a manager is changed, that is the reason why the manager usually gets the boot when teams are not performing well as it is much cheaper to replace a manager than buy a new squad.

He has been backed and not all of his signings have worked. Which of the players has he really improved that he inherited?? That is a part of the manager as well. Pep may have bought new FBs, but he improved the players that he inherited massively as well.

Spot on.
 
There’s no such thing as a long term manager. Do you think if we got Pep that he would have stayed here 10 years when he did only 4 at his boyhood club.

Yes keep hiring and firing managers till we eventually get it right. Hiring journeymen who have won nothing is the answer though to all our problems.

Of course there are different managers. You can plan with guys like Klopp or Simeone for a longer time and get a project going, of course that doesn't mean they will be that long at any club, but they are more suitable to it than other managers. Guys like Mourinho or Favre reach their heights and then feck it up and their team drops down, you probably try to remove them as long as things are steady. Pep wouldn't be here forever and he won't be at City, but there is not much to suggest that things will get a lot of worse during his time there, once his teams start to dominate, they keep it up for 3, 4 years. Jose never proved that he can do that or that he can build further when things aren't going that well, he is usually just a big up and then it goes down. He never was in a situation like that and his comments don't give me trust to know how to solve our problems.

We didn't hire journeyman who won nothing except for Moyes and he is not comparable to any of those mentioned names. LvG and Mourinho won several things in their career, but their prime wasn't/isn't at United. If you want to wait for a manager who has already 10 titles in his pocket before he arrives here, you will most likely miss his prime again.
 
How far has he fallen. Seriously need to do a gap year, learn some new shit or something.
 
Mourinho needs to get on with trying to develop the players that he's got. No one has the money that City have but Man Utd are closest to them in financial terms. Man Utd still have the money and clout to beat off almost all competition for players in the Premier League and their squad should be beating Burnley, Leicester etc.
The comments that really embarrass him though are about the lack of ambition shown by Burnley today. He employs exactly the same tactics when up against one of the top 6 so he has no right to moan at teams doing that to him. Yes, it's frustrating when teams do it but you can't have a pop when you do it too.
 
Why is he cracking? If it weren't for City doing unreal this season, we are having a DECENT season.

You can't compete with a team who has won 17 games in a row. Nobody has ever done that before. Sometimes you just gotta hold your hands up and say that it's done.
 
Would have been easier(and truthful) to just agree. Poor comments.

What has the cost of City's fullbacks got to do with 8 points from 15.
feck all.

Just deflection tactics. Albeit poorly executed, just like his management over the last couple of months.
 
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