Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Fracture90]

Hazard is better than Salah. When he sold Salah no one on this planet thought he would reach this level. Dont know why people keep banging on about it like all managers dont make some mistakes. You could say Fergie made errors with Tevez and Pogba if you wanted as well.

You seem to like to bash SAF in order to defend Mourinho.

 

[BluesJr]

I really just don't the impression he's that arsed about being here. Don't see the desire he had when he was younger. A young Mourinho would never accept some of the nonsense that goes on on that pitch sometimes.

 

[Bojan11]

Pretty much my opinion. Let him finish season and then ir might be the best for both to move on before it ends in a meltdown.
We should also stop going for big names who have the best days behind them, Carlo Ancelotti for example would be another typical choice from our board, but would be wrong too. I think we could do with guys like Sarri, Jardim, Tuchel or Pochettino. Difficult to predict who is available of them and who would want to manage in the PL, but someone in this vein can start our players to teach modern football, create a idea how we want to play and then build on it. It might be a risk, it will need patience again, but it has a good chance to pay off and lead somewhere, which I don't see here at all.

Sarri who is a journeyman and won feck all.

Potchetinno who struggles in big games and has won nothing.

If those are our options then I rather stick with Jose.

 

[Jev]

And sign who? Giggs?

Someone with an attacking, modern football philosophy and a long-term view. Should be possible to find such a person. But I don't have a name for you. I'm not a scout.

Obviously Poch would be the dream signing but I don't think that's likely to happen.

 

[haram]

You seem to like to bash SAF in order to defend Mourinho.

I am not bashing SAF. I'm just aware everyone makes mistakes. I dont blame Fergie for making mistakes. It's just how it is.

 

[villain]

Our voes started with him deciding to go super ultra defensive against Liverpool despite us playing pretty good at that point whilst Liverpool were struggling.

I disagree with that.
Our woes are directly tied to the lack of effort the players, and that’s been the case since City.

 

[Devil may care]

We really don't seem to have any plan of attack, and his response to being 2-0 down was just to pile attacking players on, there was no change of scheme or alteration to the pattern of play.

 

[AshRK]

Replacing Jose at this point doesn't look like a good decision. But Jose must utilise this January window and get the maximum out of it. I can't see club sacking him in the summer but he cannot take chances. He has to be proactive and not reactive. Be ruthless and sell the deadwoods and get some more quality.

 

[royboy16]

I said this in the match day thread, but he just doesn't seem 100% committed to the club. I don't want him to leave and I certainly don't want him to be sacked, but he needs to move out of the Lowry even if he only rents somewhere to at least show that he wants to be in Manchester.

If I worked for somewhere and a new gaffer came in but refused to settle in the area, I'd see it as a massive red flag and it certainly wouldn't inspire loyalty or confidence. There is simply no excuse for it, and if we're planning to try and extend his contract in the near future it needs to be clause that he commits to the area by either renting or buying a property.

It's similar to when Fergie originally announced his retirement in that that hunger from the players to be the best, to win at all costs, drops a little. You become complacent if you don't think the person you have to impress is going to stick around and I think that's exactly what we're seeing here, coaching issues aside.

He's done alright with us while living in the lowry and I'm not bothered where he lives as long as he gets Utd back to the top.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Someone with an attacking, modern football philosophy and a long-term view. Should be possible to find such a person. But I don't have a name for you. I'm not a scout.

Obviously Poch would be the dream signing but I don't think that's likely to happen.

Poch? Who’s currently several points below Jose? Yeah, let’s get rid of a Ferrari and buy Toyota Prius for a Grand Prix motor race.

 

[Jev]

Poch?
Who’s currently several points below Jose. Yeah, let’s get rid of a Ferrari and buy Toyota Prius for a Grand Prix motor race.

What Poch has done with Spurs has been highly impressive. If you can't acknowledge that then I'm afraid our views are so fundamentally different that further discussion would be futile.

 

[el3mel]

The strategy of depending on crosses is on Mourinho today, but overall our problem in the attack is clearly on players and anyone who expects us to be a great attacking team if someone known for his attacking style comes next season is up here for a massive disappointment. Fact is there are problems in this team that has no relation with the manager and the new one will struggle with it as much as Mourinho struggled with it as LVG did, even though the latter has to be blamed for not spending on the attacking and having us depending on Rooney.

The problem is our senior players in the attack are terrible, which leads to us depending on some youngsters that will always show level of inconsistency in their performance. Rashford and Martial are very good talents, but at the age of less than 23 they can't hold the team on their own, very inconsistent with their end products, but we don't have any proper senior players to depend on to relieve the pressure on them, so we go on and become over reliant on them and it showing the effects. We're the only big team in the league who don't have any proper senior players and are depending on youngsters.

A new manager may improve our youngsters but the level of inconsistency will remain because it's age related. Mourinho should be blamed on specific thing and that he didn't make more attacking transfers after the shite show last season. Lukaku wasn't enough and that's for sure.

 

[PepsiCola]

Poch? Who’s currently several points below Jose? Yeah, let’s get rid of a Ferrari and buy Toyota Prius for a Grand Prix motor race.

The only Ferrari in the league at the moment sits top by, what will be, 15 points.

 

[Pyroblazer]

Sarri who is a journeyman and won feck all.

Potchetinno who struggles in big games and has won nothing.

If those are our options then I rather stick with Jose.

Probably because those managers haven't been at a big club yet. Give them the money we have and I don't think they will do worse than Jose so far plus better football minus fear from meltdown next year. Of course it might be another gamble, but that's keeping Mou after his second season too, especially when we are playing like we do atm.

I don't know how relevant big games are, but Jose looks pretty poor in those too atm. He should probably gift De Gea a bit of his salary for that Arsenal game.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Won't be a popular opinion but I'd rather have Klopp or Potchetinno. As far as I'm concerned United should be an attacking team that get you on the edge of your seat. But we've been a plain boring sponge cake for years now.

I'd give Jose the next two transfer windows to improve things in this department, but if this time next year the same issues persist, it'll be time to get rid as far as I'm concerned. We can't keep spending hundreds of millions for this disjointed attacking shite that's being served up.

 

[Kapardin]

This January unfortunately needs to be good in terms of getting an attacking player - a creator or a goalscorer who has an instant impact. Otherwise, this top 4 race can become scrappy and Jose will be under severe pressure. It is a pity, since January is seldom a good time.

 

[Son Of Sam]

The strategy of depending on crosses is on Mourinho today, but overall our problem in the attack is clearly on players and anyone who expects us to be a great attacking team if someone known for his attacking style comes next season is up here for a massive disappointment. Fact is there are problems in this team that has no relation with the manager and the new one will struggle with it as much as Mourinho struggled with it as LVG did, even though the latter has to be blamed for not spending on the attacking and having us depending on Rooney.

The problem is our senior players in the attack are terrible, which leads to us depending on some youngsters that will always show level of inconsistency in their performance. Rashford and Martial are very good talents, but at the age of less than 23 they can't hold the team on their own, very inconsistent with their end products, but we don't have any proper senior players to depend on to relieve the pressure on them, so we goes on and become over reliant on them and it showing the effects. We're the only big team in the league who don't have any proper senior players and are depending on youngsters.

A new manager may improve our youngsters but the level of inconsistency will remain because it's age related. Mourinho should be blamed on specific thing and that he didn't make more attacking transfers after the shite show last season. Lukaku wasn't enough and that's for sure.

Excellent post!

 

[Garethw]

Perisic is not Messi. People always mentioned him would improve us significantly is ridiculous. Mourinho tactics and look at his attack approach is really depressing.

I feel bad of our attacking player, especially youngsters. They need someone who can guide them better and they meet a coach who only had only method to cross.

Perisic is an above average winger. The overating of him is ridiculous.

 

[dichinero]

Hazard is better than Salah. When he sold Salah no one on this planet thought he would reach this level. Dont know why people keep banging on about it like all managers dont make some mistakes. You could say Fergie made errors with Tevez and Pogba if you wanted as well.

Is that what we are talking about? The question is who are the two outstanding performers in the league. And why are we talking about Fergie, again?

 

[AN17]

Only thing that might make him stay is because he will feel like Pep has won and the fact that the latter has hugely outperformed him in the same league will always be a stick people will beat him with in manager vs manager discussions.

Well, he better have a proper gameplan and a well oiled team next season or he'll most likely be a second runner to Pep next season too. Can see him rage quit and have a tantrum like at Chelsea if things don't pick up next season.

@Raoul too.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

I hope he stays here for years just so that the deluded cnuts posting on the last couple of pages push off and start supporting another club with a manager they secretly cream over.

 

[evil_geko]

Results are finally starting to reflect the football we play.

 

[Bojan11]

Probably because those managers haven't been at a big club yet. Give them the money we have and I don't think they will do worse than Jose so far plus better football minus fear from meltdown next year. Of course it might be another gamble, but that's keeping Mou after his second season too, especially when we are playing like we do atm.

I don't know how relevant big games are, but Jose looks pretty poor in those too atm. He should probably gift De Gea a bit of his salary for that Arsenal game.

Potchetinno should gift some of his salary to Kane. What kind of silly logic is that?

Sarri has been a journeyman for 20 years. The revolving door of managers at Juve, Milan clubs, Lazio and Roma yet it’s taken him 17 years to get a big job.

Jardim last season aside his teams have generally been dreadful to watch. You just plucked out any old names.

 

[M Bison]

This January unfortunately needs to be good in terms of getting an attacking player - a creator or a goalscorer who has an instant impact. Otherwise, this top 4 race can become scrappy and Jose will be under severe pressure. It is a pity, since January is seldom a good time.

I agree, although conceding 6 goals in the last 3 games is a major concern for what looked like a solid back-line.

 

[Oneunited26]

The only Ferrari in the league at the moment sits top by, what will be, 15 points.

Calling the current united setup a ferrari is laughable, and masking the problems with this team. PPL go on about in any other season we would be winning the league, this team does not deserve to win the league and unmasks what is going on. Teams like city dissect the complete rubbish in this league that yes a team spending big cash should be doing exactly what a top is supposed to do, beat this average teams. We have spent allot of money and still we can just about beat the mediocre teams, the peak of the united sides would have picked 3 points up

 

[Son Of Sam]

The only Ferrari in the league at the moment sits top by, what will be, 15 points.

That’s a Benz....
Jose is the Ferrari and I can wager you £100 that Jose is the only manager in the world that can clip Pep’s wings.

Klopp, Poch, etc may play fanciful attacking football that will win few games here and there, but they will never win titles.

If we can’t have Pep, Jose is the only manager out there that can do the job we need.....unless you want to take us back to the LVG era when we were kings of possession football and couldn’t win a single league game in the month of December.

 

[Freak]

He needs a big January transfer window. So many positions need quality - RB, LB, CM, RW, LW, ST.

 

[dwd]

He needs a big January transfer window. So many positions need quality - RB, LB, CM, RW, LW, ST.

Keep dreaming.

 

[Canagel]

The strategy of depending on crosses is on Mourinho today, but overall our problem in the attack is clearly on players and anyone who expects us to be a great attacking team if someone known for his attacking style comes next season is up here for a massive disappointment. Fact is there are problems in this team that has no relation with the manager and the new one will struggle with it as much as Mourinho struggled with it as LVG did, even though the latter has to be blamed for not spending on the attacking and having us depending on Rooney.

The problem is our senior players in the attack are terrible, which leads to us depending on some youngsters that will always show level of inconsistency in their performance. Rashford and Martial are very good talents, but at the age of less than 23 they can't hold the team on their own, very inconsistent with their end products, but we don't have any proper senior players to depend on to relieve the pressure on them, so we go on and become over reliant on them and it showing the effects. We're the only big team in the league who don't have any proper senior players and are depending on youngsters.

A new manager may improve our youngsters but the level of inconsistency will remain because it's age related. Mourinho should be blamed on specific thing and that he didn't make more attacking transfers after the shite show last season. Lukaku wasn't enough and that's for sure.

Exactly. You look at when Rooney and Ronaldo first started out they didn't have any pressure on them because we had senior players performing like Van Nistelrooy, Giggs and others. They were placed in support roles and that's what we should be doing with Martial and Rashford. Right now because of the situation we are in 1 of the 2 must play every game and when you add in their inconsistency it's not a surprise to see us struggling in attack.

 

[PepsiCola]

That’s a Benz....
Jose is the Ferrari and I can wager you £100 that Jose is the only manager in the world that can clip Pep’s wings.

Klopp, Poch, etc may play fanciful attacking football that will win few games here and there, but they will never win titles.

If we can’t have Pep, Jose is the only manager out there that can do the job we need.....unless you want to take us back to the LVG era when we were kings of possession football and couldn’t win a single league game in the month of December.

Evidence thus far overwhelmingly opposes your statement about Jose clipping Pep's wings any time soon.

 

[Son Of Sam]

Evidence thus far overwhelmingly opposes your statement about Jose clipping Pep's wings any time soon.

He did it in La Liga, he will do it here. It took a while before he got it right in La Liga too and that Madrid side were loads better than the current United side.

Few transfer windows can sort out this team. Our biggest problem is the injury curse. Jose hasn’t been able to build a partnership in the heart of the defence. Each & everyone of our defenders has had one injury spell or the other this season.

 

[Kevin]

He needs a big January transfer window. So many positions need quality - RB, LB, CM, RW, LW, ST.

We'll buy one or no one.

 

[Oneunited26]

He needs a big January transfer window. So many positions need quality - RB, LB, CM, RW, LW, ST.

And he spent over 80 million of that on Lukaku lol

 

[dichinero]

He needs a big January transfer window. So many positions need quality - RB, LB, CM, RW, LW, ST.

Seeing how apparently rubbish our squad is, I think you're missing about 5 more positions

 

[Freak]

Keep dreaming.

I'm not saying he's supposed to fill all those positions in January, but we definitely need more quality in those areas.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Football's a relatively simple game: get good players and get them playing well. Mourinho's failing on both counts.

He's failing at what he's supposed to be good at too - organizing defenses and getting results.

The team haven’t been the same since City.
I think them celebrating next door really deflated the team and they haven’t been motivated since.

Mourinho needs to work on building morale, we’re still in with an excellent chance of doing well in the FA Cup and CL, as well finishing second in the league.

But most of them are still playing with a hangover from that game it seems.

Think the turning point was that Liverpool game instead. His extreme cowardice in that game killed off all the early season momentum we had.

 

[United_We_Stand]

 

[Ace of Spades]

Perisic is not Messi. People always mentioned him would improve us significantly is ridiculous. Mourinho tactics and look at his attack approach is really depressing.

I feel bad of our attacking player, especially youngsters. They need someone who can guide them better and they meet a coach who only had only method to cross.

Exactly, young players need good coaches to help them develop, and teams need good coaching to be able to work as one unit. Teams need to work in training constantly to get a cohesive understanding of working as team, to get a fluidity in their passing, to be more than just 11 individual players running around.

I just don't see that with our team. We look very limited.

 

[Fracture90]

I am not bashing SAF. I'm just aware everyone makes mistakes. I dont blame Fergie for making mistakes. It's just how it is.

You're very quick to draw a negative comparison in defense of Mourinho when is needed.

I disagree with that.
Our woes are directly tied to the lack of effort the players, and that’s been the case since City.

Ofc we're allowed to disagree.

It's manager's task to keep his players motivated and up for the challenge, but I guess it can be demotivating when your manager tells you before Liverpool game to defend at all cost and then defend some more.

Either way we can agree to disagree.

 

[Bojan11]

He's failing at what he's supposed to be good at too - organizing defenses and getting results.


Think the turning point was that Liverpool game instead. His extreme cowardice in that game killed off all the early season momentum we had.

Yes because getting a point at Anfield is a crap point. Did you see what they did to Arsenal?