I think we are cursed we stuck with Jose, its worrying the club and a shadow of giggs seem hell bent on taking the mantle. If Jose does not work out with the way the club is run pay check to pay check on how the club plans things, we really could be seeing an era of this club going from one drunken phase to another and this is not a healthy way to run things. I also don't like Mourinho's obsession with needing such a tall and large side, you can see the technical side is so all over the place. We have been doomed long term since summer 2009, and the planning since fergie left and until now is all for us to see
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I think we are cursed we stuck with Jose, its worrying the club and a shadow of giggs seem hell bent on taking the mantle. If Jose does not work out with the way the club is run pay check to pay check on how the club plans things, we really could be seeing an era of this club going from one drunken phase to another and this is not a healthy way to run things. I also don't like Mourinho's obsession with needing such a tall and large side, you can see the technical side is so all over the place. We have been doomed long term since summer 2009, and the planning since fergie left and until now is all for us to see
No plan going forward apart from give it to Young, and cross. A total lack of creativity.
'Surprised he even got us top four with this team!'
He deserves the blame for today for sure. The lineup was wrong, he puts his trust in players clearly out of form as Rojo and Zlatan. We looked out of ideas chasing the game and resorted to crosses which was a terrible strategy. He should find a way to motivate the players as well as they looked really lacking.
Still enough time to sort this out. League has been lost long time ago so doesn't make difference the points gap with City. Long battle for second place though.
Still enough time to sort this out. League has been lost long time ago so doesn't make difference the points gap with City. Long battle for second place though.
What set piece training do we do? We are abysmal at clearing our lines. I don’t blame Mourinho for players missing chances. However, organisation in defence is meant to be his forte.
This team is a perpetually poisoned chalice.
Its crazy we still turn to guys like ashley young, its the hallmark on whats been wrong with this team for a very long time
I'm a big fan of Mourinho but his assessment of attacking players really makes me question him. How on earth did he think that last season's attack was good enough to go into this season with no reinforcements is beyond me. Martial, Rashford, Mata, Mikhi, Lingard - a good attacking base for a team looking to finish top 7, but never to win the league. That we signed no wide attacking players is absolutely criminal. Coupled with him selling De Bruyne, Lukaku and I think (?) Salah in the past at Chelsea makes me question what he's looking for in an attack.
I've said it before and been laughed off: he has it all to prove. He has to prove that his Chelsea season was not an anomaly. He has lost IT a bit imo, still good enough for a top four finish every year from now on though. Do we take a gamble or do we go for some semblance of stability is the question.
Out.
What he needs is £1bn and the license to field 14 players
Honestly, he’s shite isn’t he?
Watching a Mourinho team play is like going to the dentist. The process is awful but the result is usually decent. But when the results don’t come, you realize how fecking dire his style of football is.
Honestly we look clueless most of the time. I really, really don’t like him, and can’t wait until he leaves.
Watching a Mourinho team play is like going to the dentist. The process is awful but the result is usually decent. But when the results don’t come, you realize how fecking dire his style of football is.
Honestly we look clueless most of the time. I really, really don’t like him, and can’t wait until he leaves.
Well, the managers need to take responsibility for that. If the players are not willing to put the work in then don't play them.
None the less, this should have no relation to our lack of cohesion, or the fact that our attacking play is at best very one dimensional, and at worst non-existent.
Forgot to say, he should find a solution for our set pieces defending. Looks strange we can't defend them without Fellaini. Don't know why he keeps ignoring it.
I said this in the match day thread, but he just doesn't seem 100% committed to the club. I don't want him to leave and I certainly don't want him to be sacked, but he needs to move out of the Lowry even if he only rents somewhere to at least show that he wants to be in Manchester.
If I worked for somewhere and a new gaffer came in but refused to settle in the area, I'd see it as a massive red flag and it certainly wouldn't inspire loyalty or confidence. There is simply no excuse for it, and if we're planning to try and extend his contract in the near future it needs to be clause that he commits to the area by either renting or buying a property.
It's similar to when Fergie originally announced his retirement in that that hunger from the players to be the best, to win at all costs, drops a little. You become complacent if you don't think the person you have to impress is going to stick around and I think that's exactly what we're seeing here, coaching issues aside.
If I worked for somewhere and a new gaffer came in but refused to settle in the area, I'd see it as a massive red flag and it certainly wouldn't inspire loyalty or confidence. There is simply no excuse for it, and if we're planning to try and extend his contract in the near future it needs to be clause that he commits to the area by either renting or buying a property.
It's similar to when Fergie originally announced his retirement in that that hunger from the players to be the best, to win at all costs, drops a little. You become complacent if you don't think the person you have to impress is going to stick around and I think that's exactly what we're seeing here, coaching issues aside.
Can someone tell me what his tactics are, today second half our great tactic was have young put cross after cross while having matic and pogba stay outside and Mata and mkhi inside trying to win headers if Moyes did that people would have called him an idiot.
Postives for changing it at half time. I know the players need some rest but Ibra just looks woeful atm.
One player Mourinho shipped out let us not forget kevin de bruyne, so his view point on attacking players is always questionable
Its always a case of alarm bells going off when he stays in a hotel, and his family is else where, not exactly the foundations of long term planning when his family is in another part of england, it mirror's this club's planning at the minute. The fire is just not there anymore in Mourinho, the team has no edge to them, we look at them and its like a team of losers
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He has been managing for 15 years and people beat him with 'de Bruyne and Salah' stick. 2 players.
It's odd. It feels harsh to say he's the wrong man for the job. After all, he won two trophies, we're second, we won our CL group - all the usual defenses. But our football is quite grim and there appears to be no real vision for the future. There's very little to get excited about, to look forward to. And it's hard to see getting much better than this: being hard to beat and around the top 3.
He needs to have a phenomenal January transfer window to avoid us self destructing. We've had a shocking December.
We need some players who actually give a fecking toss.
We need some players who actually give a fecking toss.
Complete freak show of a set-up in the first half. We couldn't defend the spaces between our lines and their crosses towards the far post, it was criminal. And for what? To have Zlatan meandering in the midfield, Rashford anchored out wide and Mata trying to initiate an attacking move on his own... And the cherry on the top of the cake was Pogba getting lost in no man's land while trying to figure out if he should help Matic or move in more advanced positions.
What a difference a player who can actually step in the opposition box made (Lingard) in the second half. Despite the cross fest that followed, the attempt to use both flanks in order to make the pitch bigger was the right thing to do and we should really start working on getting more from those areas in terms of creativity. Hopefully, he sees that now that Shaw is available too.
What a difference a player who can actually step in the opposition box made (Lingard) in the second half. Despite the cross fest that followed, the attempt to use both flanks in order to make the pitch bigger was the right thing to do and we should really start working on getting more from those areas in terms of creativity. Hopefully, he sees that now that Shaw is available too.
He is a short term results manager. We have improved with him, but we don't look like getting to the top. I am not sure he is worth it then. We probably need a more long term vision to reach the top again and not short term fixes.
We don't look like we have a coherent plan in attack.
Well, they are to 2 best players is the league by a distance.
Football's a relatively simple game: get good players and get them playing well. Mourinho's failing on both counts.
Perisic is not Messi. People always mentioned him would improve us significantly is ridiculous. Mourinho tactics and look at his attack approach is really depressing.
I feel bad of our attacking player, especially youngsters. They need someone who can guide them better and they meet a coach who only had only method to cross.
I feel bad of our attacking player, especially youngsters. They need someone who can guide them better and they meet a coach who only had only method to cross.
Don't think he will stay past 3 years.
This is why there's still so much negativity. We may be 2nd but the performances are reminiscent of past seasons. I still don't watch us and believe we've turned a corner. There's always that expectation that we'll cock it up. Our attack is still a shambles and I'm struggling to see any sort of game plan there. I also don't see us getting much better than this with Jose as manager.
Only thing that might make him stay is because he will feel like Pep has won and the fact that the latter has hugely outperformed him in the same league will always be a stick people will beat him with in manager vs manager discussions.
To be fair, Griezmann was on the cards but the freak transfer ban that prevented him from coming.
The only blame you could put on him is the lack of proper full backs and not adding enough creative players.
Let’s be honest, we have a very shitty group of players. We have some of the tallest players in the league but it doesn’t have any effect since we have no excellent crosser or the ball.
We do not have anyone as good as Eriksen, KDB, Ozil, etc capable of delivering top notch crosses consistently into the box. It’s a shame really. Some of the crosses Shaw & Rashford delivered today were Libyan league standard.
Shit on a stick today. Our recent results have been terrible. He needs to get us clicking again, and soon. Today felt like one of Moyes' games.
He still hasn't come close to solving what was our biggest problem under Moyes and LVG. Which is a complete lack of attacking cohesion and movement. We simply have no clue how to attack as a team so we rely on individuals to deliver a moment of brilliance.
Whether you think our players are good enough is one thing. I personally do, and if they're not then that's on Mourinho who spent a fortune assembling the team. One thing that isn't debatable is that the team is good enough to play better football than Mourinho gets them playing.
People also tend to downplay the importance of his attitude. But look at him out there sulking and looking miserable. If he was your boss, would you feel motivated? Would he inspire you to give that final inch when the going gets tough? Do you think his attitude promotes energetic or lethargic football?
Hope he leaves at the end of the season.
Whether you think our players are good enough is one thing. I personally do, and if they're not then that's on Mourinho who spent a fortune assembling the team. One thing that isn't debatable is that the team is good enough to play better football than Mourinho gets them playing.
People also tend to downplay the importance of his attitude. But look at him out there sulking and looking miserable. If he was your boss, would you feel motivated? Would he inspire you to give that final inch when the going gets tough? Do you think his attitude promotes energetic or lethargic football?
Hope he leaves at the end of the season.
I think there's a good chance he will. He won't want to leave United without at least one league or CL and we are only just getting ramped up.
I know he likes Rojo and Zlatan but neither has been performing even remotely well so quite why they started this game is beyond me.
The team haven’t been the same since City.
I think them celebrating next door really deflated the team and they haven’t been motivated since.
Mourinho needs to work on building morale, we’re still in with an excellent chance of doing well in the FA Cup and CL, as well finishing second in the league.
But most of them are still playing with a hangover from that game it seems.
I think them celebrating next door really deflated the team and they haven’t been motivated since.
Mourinho needs to work on building morale, we’re still in with an excellent chance of doing well in the FA Cup and CL, as well finishing second in the league.
But most of them are still playing with a hangover from that game it seems.
Pretty much my opinion. Let him finish season and then ir might be the best for both to move on before it ends in a meltdown.
We should also stop going for big names who have the best days behind them, Carlo Ancelotti for example would be another typical choice from our board, but would be wrong too. I think we could do with guys like Sarri, Jardim, Tuchel or Pochettino. Difficult to predict who is available of them and who would want to manage in the PL, but someone in this vein can start our players to teach modern football, create a idea how we want to play and then build on it. It might be a risk, it will need patience again, but it has a good chance to pay off and lead somewhere, which I don't see here at all.
Our voes started with him deciding to go super ultra defensive against Liverpool despite us playing pretty good at that point whilst Liverpool were struggling.
Hazard is better than Salah. When he sold Salah no one on this planet thought he would reach this level. Dont know why people keep banging on about it like all managers dont make some mistakes. You could say Fergie made errors with Tevez and Pogba if you wanted as well.
And sign who? Giggs?
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