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Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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It is strange. I remember Fergie playing 4 defenders in midfield vs Arsenal and shit
Same points as the 4th placed team and more points than Liverpool. What does worst EPL season mean and why is it a factor? we finished 4th the season before so it was clear we were then a top 4 team. People keep hardping on about 7th but we had massive investment since that season
We were 5th mate. And the circumstances that led us to win the Europa league and finish 6th was actually quite a clever calculated risk by Mourinho. We won two trophies.
Not to mention the fact that there is always a transition period when a new manager takes over with a very different style to their predecessor.
LVG bought very different players to the type that Mourinho prefers for his system. He also spent £150 million on Di Maria, Depay and Schneiderlin! So the investment before Mourinho wasn’t great.
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In a season when Chelsea finished 10th, Liverpool finished 8th while City players threw the towel once Pep was announced as the next manager, getting 5th was a crime. You're just taking the results or standing as they were without looking farther into it, which is plain wrong. That was one of the worst EPL seasons ever. All big teams had a shocking form and the best we can got was 5th ?
You seem to forget the run of 8 successive games without a win in December.
Yeah, I agree.
Looks like someone is peddling the goal difference nonsense for the 15/16 season. Let's refute that again.
In 15/16:
Man City spent roughly 50% of the season in 1st place
Man City spent over 95% of the season in the top 4
Man City got to the semi finals of the CL
Man Utd spent roughly 3% of the season in 1st place
Man Utd spent less than 40% of the season in the top 4
Man Utd got knocked out in the groups in the CL, and also in the final 16 of the EL
City had over twice the goal difference, and in 14/15 United got into 4th place without European football!
Mourinho inherited a Europa league team, a consideration of the evidence proves that to be the case.
In 15/16:
Man City spent roughly 50% of the season in 1st place
Man City spent over 95% of the season in the top 4
Man City got to the semi finals of the CL
Man Utd spent roughly 3% of the season in 1st place
Man Utd spent less than 40% of the season in the top 4
Man Utd got knocked out in the groups in the CL, and also in the final 16 of the EL
City had over twice the goal difference, and in 14/15 United got into 4th place without European football!
Mourinho inherited a Europa league team, a consideration of the evidence proves that to be the case.
So now he is getting rapped up for pre-match comments. Probably the City players falling with wind comment can be taken as trying to influence the ref before the match or whatever twisted rules they have.. 
Probably Oliver went and told FA that Jose intimidated him with those comments.
Few match ban for sure.
Probably Oliver went and told FA that Jose intimidated him with those comments.
Few match ban for sure.
Liverpool came 7th the season before so nothing to see here. When the teams were supposedly good we came 4th. So it seemed we were about right. 4th/5th, in a CL race every season. doesn't seem like some mid table performing team but hey. getting 5th was a crime? why? City only went up one place when Guardiola took over. We were one of the only sides that didn't improve.
Conveniently forgetting the winning of a double and entering (as opposed to exiting) the Champions league at the group stage.
Sorry but as Torres said when Chelsea won the CL, "the league position is your true level." everyone knows it. We flopped in the EPL last season and had to throw it which is a shame as its far more of a draw for me than Thursday night Europa (which I am currently avoiding like the plague now).
We did the double indeed.
We came 4th in a season we had no European competition to play, do you seriously believe that was good ? When Liverpool had no European competition they fought for the title and finished second, and when Chelsea had no European competition they walked the league, but when we had no European competition we scrapped 4th place. If anything that was a massive underachievement.
Then next season came and all big teams had a shocker, Chelsea fall apart with Mourinho problems, Liverpool got their manager sacked earlier during the season and City players threw the towel after Pep announcement, but we went on and got 66 points only in the league!
The only reason we finished 5th this season was because of the shocking form other teams had. If you want an evidence, then Mourinho last season got 69 points, 3 more than LVG's last season and we didn't move from 6th the whole season. LVG got 70 and 66 points in his both seasons, both wouldn't have been enough to finish even 5th last season.
During LVG last season we had a run of 6 successive games in the league without a single win, grabbing only 3 points out of 18, however we stayed 5th during this period. Can you seriously believe if we go on a similar run this season we would be anywhere higher than 7th in the league ? That's how shite this season was.
Right, right. Winning Europa doesn't count as a success and trophy's are virtually meaningless. Two trophy's don't count as a double and crashing out of Europe at the group stage and losing to Liverpool in the UEFA is tantamount to a better season because Utd finished one place higher in the league. The only successful thing about Van Gaal's final season was the FA cup win - which was great. Mourinho screwed up the league but brought success anyway. He's continuing that now by topping the group stage in the Champions league and having united sitting in a reasonably comfortable second place in the league. Not brilliant, but better than before. Progress. Still needs to do more, but recognisable progress all the same.
Same situation in another club, this forum will be littered with threads on how incompetent that manager and the club is.
What a joke. The fact it is so difficult to figure out what comments this even relates to shows how ridiculous this is.
@Stacks Stop ignoring context.
Also we had more points last year, scored more goals, conceded less, made it into the CL and won more trophies.
Also we had more points last year, scored more goals, conceded less, made it into the CL and won more trophies.
It's a borderline irrelevant stat. The game and the money spent has moved on. What was a winning point tally seven years ago probably won't cut it anymore.
United and City have spent huge amounts over the last four years. Both clubs should be setting record totals come May.
Do you not have to consider that other clubs are spending more money as well?
And the rest of the league hasn't spent any money? Your statement assumes that only City and United have spent money so should increase the gap from the others. But that's not true as most teams have spent a tonne of money over the last four years.
People do not want to accept that things are not actually bad, it's just that City are on another level and Pogba has been injured.
Exactly. You could basically call City’s start an anomaly, it’s really been insane.
On a second note, @haram, guess who is not gracing us with his presence considering United won their last match
If you're industrious enough, you'll find stats that makes José look better than Fergie and stats that make him look worse than Moyes. But that's what stats are for, aren't they? To buttress certain narrative.
It's like a team getting relegated with 41 points and giving the excuse that for many years, 40 points definitely guaranteed safety.
The fact is, we are in 2017 and in 2017, we are potentially 12 points behind a team after 16 games.
It's like a team getting relegated with 41 points and giving the excuse that for many years, 40 points definitely guaranteed safety.
The fact is, we are in 2017 and in 2017, we are potentially 12 points behind a team after 16 games.
Also, another problem with your statement is the fact that Chelsea amassed 95 point 14 years ago.
Its not as if, just 7 months ago, 35 points would have been enough to survive relegation.
Every season is different, look at the Leicester season.
It’s not as simple as «more money spent should equal in a new record point tally each year».
And this 2017 City team is on a record breaking run. We are not behind just any team.
Even if we were going off past seasons and we were top, I'm sure people would still be pissing about something.
Exactly. You could basically call City’s start an anomaly, it’s really been insane.
On a second note, @haram, guess who is not gracing us with his presence considering United won their last match
Ahahaha, hopefully he's not back for a while
The thing is, there is hardly anyone with the same sentiment calling for us to amount x number of points. League positions and titles are decided on point difference not points amassed. The fact still remain that regardless of whatever points that City have acquired, we are 12 points worse off, and that is what really matters. They could only have 30 points so far and if we ran them closer with 25 points at this stage, the situation would not be this bad. History is not going to wipe off 12 points. Let's just face the facts.
What ever happened last year is for last year. I don't get it, one moment we should on from previous years when Fergie was in charge, but now let's use the scenarios of those same years to justify this year.
City being this good does not make us bad. That's the point.
I think you are missing the point: City’s start is basically a perfect storm. Shit happens!
Thy sure as hell aren’t replicating it next year.
Which has been the best performance so far? CSKA away? Watford away? Arsenal away? Spurs home? There were several 4:0 wins but mostly against modest opposition.
If I'm honest, I'm not very impressed with the performances so far. The results are relatively good. The performances not so much. Winning 3:1 against Arsenal away is a huge result. But anyone who thinks that was a great performance is kidding himself. There were about 5 brilliant counter-attacks. Which is excellent. But conceding 33 attempts wasn't great at all.
I tend to think that the performances are the best predictor of what is to come. The performances have to improve. There have been shades of brilliant counter-attacking football in some games but more is needed. Even with Pogba in the team.
If I'm honest, I'm not very impressed with the performances so far. The results are relatively good. The performances not so much. Winning 3:1 against Arsenal away is a huge result. But anyone who thinks that was a great performance is kidding himself. There were about 5 brilliant counter-attacks. Which is excellent. But conceding 33 attempts wasn't great at all.
I tend to think that the performances are the best predictor of what is to come. The performances have to improve. There have been shades of brilliant counter-attacking football in some games but more is needed. Even with Pogba in the team.
And? Should we just quit then? When we were the outstanding team in the league, it never stopped other teams from making it hard for us to pull away. Are just going to add City to the every increasing list of excuses? Are they the reason we are this far behind or should pretend that it's our inability to do better. No one has asked us to win the league and I'm sure none of the posters that have made up this fictitious line have yet to answer @Dobbs. All we ask is to make it difficult for the league leaders after all the money spent. Afterall, José is quick to come out with another "at least" excuse that at least we are better off than 18 other teams despite comfortably outspending 18 other teams. Or is that too much to ask for? Where is the ambition?
I'm almost certain that if City pull further away, there will still be excuses that our point tally would have won the league in 2005.
City have been good rather really really good this season, let's leave aside the late goals or whatever reasons we give for their winning streak, the important thing is they are at top with 11 points ahead of us. 11 is a bit too much during this point.I am not sure whether they will go on like this or will falter later on, no one can predict that.
Jose Mourinho has lifted us a level from the last few seasons, how often have we seen during the last few years that immediately after a loss we have gone on to drop more points,but now we have started to gain points or shall i say lift ourselves up after dropping points, this shows that our team is not mentally fragile like it used to be since SAF retired.We have players are ready to fight and give their all and i would say it's down to Jose who has been able to motivate them,I am pretty sure it must have been difficult to lift the spirit of the entire club after these bad seasons,and showing enough courage to sell our top scorer who was clearly passed it.Jose is not papering over the cracks but he is actually addressing the problems that we have,sure it would take some time to overcome those but we will.I am pretty confident that Jose won't leave us like he did with Chelsea and Madrid because here he is the one who calls the shot, he has the freedom to choose what he wants and implement how he wants it.In the next couple of transfer windows i am sure he will buy some players who will be bang for the buck.
I take it this way, that this is the price we have to pay for dominating for almost 3 decades,now after this difficult period at least the fans know they or anyone associated with the club cannot take success for granted.So let's just enjoy for a while or at least relax as fans because we have never been this high up the table during this time of the year in the last 4-5 years.
Jose Mourinho has lifted us a level from the last few seasons, how often have we seen during the last few years that immediately after a loss we have gone on to drop more points,but now we have started to gain points or shall i say lift ourselves up after dropping points, this shows that our team is not mentally fragile like it used to be since SAF retired.We have players are ready to fight and give their all and i would say it's down to Jose who has been able to motivate them,I am pretty sure it must have been difficult to lift the spirit of the entire club after these bad seasons,and showing enough courage to sell our top scorer who was clearly passed it.Jose is not papering over the cracks but he is actually addressing the problems that we have,sure it would take some time to overcome those but we will.I am pretty confident that Jose won't leave us like he did with Chelsea and Madrid because here he is the one who calls the shot, he has the freedom to choose what he wants and implement how he wants it.In the next couple of transfer windows i am sure he will buy some players who will be bang for the buck.
I take it this way, that this is the price we have to pay for dominating for almost 3 decades,now after this difficult period at least the fans know they or anyone associated with the club cannot take success for granted.So let's just enjoy for a while or at least relax as fans because we have never been this high up the table during this time of the year in the last 4-5 years.
Are you even reading what people are saying? They have won 16 out of 17 games. The game they drew they had 10 men. This City team is not normal. Which is why our current points total which is usually good enough to be 1st or very close to first is not enough. What do you want people to say?
Well that's the thing. We aren't terrible but we're not exactly pulling up trees. We are just doing the bare minimum and some fans seem to fully excited by this, which is their choice really. For all of City's brilliance, they are simply operating at the top of their range which is what everyone should look towards.
Depending on how you see it, our top range may or may not match City's but it is surely closer than this. But then again, what do I know? There are some that would have us believe the level of our players are below Watford and we are massively overachieving at the moment.
We lost to Chelsea away, lost to City, drew at Anfield, drew at Stoke. Those are results which would not look out of place in seasons under Fergie. The only game which looks out of place is Huddersfield. Yes we should have done better against the top teams, but we had the problem of having Pogba out.
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They've spent nothing like what United and City have over the last few years.
We've raised the bar on transfer spend during this period so it only makes sense that new record points totals might occur.
We've scored 4 goals countless times this season and apparently we aren't 'pulling up trees'. Basically, if you don't pass your way into the net, with 70% posession and 30 shots on target then you are not a good team.
We've just been scoring so many goals by chance, if we had a proper manager then we would be on 51 points right now
We've just been scoring so many goals by chance, if we had a proper manager then we would be on 51 points right now
They have spent more than what they were spending before though. Your point holds no weight if you are just going to say they have not spent the same as City and United, because the other teams have never done so.
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You can only get 3 points per game, maybe in 10 years a team will get over 114 points because we all know more spending means more points
Man City have dropped 2 points after 17 games, there is literally only one other set of results that will be better than that. I wonder how much money theyll have to spend next year to win 17 out of 17 games
I read it clearly and I know that they've won 16/17 but at some point we going to stop looking at to blame them for where we are and maybe just look at ourselves, right?
Surely we went into this season being responsible for what we do and not trying to rely on what other clubs do which seems be a thing now. Leave City alone to do what they are doing for a second, and consider that we are as close to 8th as we are to them, and that it's more likely for us to be caught than to catch. We only gave City 3 points because they have spent trillions, compared to the teams beneath us, should we not be pulling away better than we are currently doing?
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