Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

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  • Top manager in charge of a major rebuild. Needs more time and/or money.

    Votes: 684 43.8%

  • Made improvements but we've stagnated. Sack him if we drop out of top 4

    Votes: 377 24.1%

  • He's not the right fit. Sack him and get someone else who can get more out of our squad

    Votes: 502 32.1%
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Our results against the top 6 this season looks similar to those from previous one, except for the win against Arsenal we got exactly the same results against Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and City. However, our results against the midtable clubs have improved massively, even when we got a 1-0 win we don't lose the lead and drew as last season. We lost only 5 points against teams outside top 6.

So with this rate we look like a proper 85 points side, which should be more than enough to finish second. Problem we're facing is City is a proper 95 points team though.
 
I do feel José is more uptight now he’s the United manager. I’m not saying the job is too big for him, but maybe his last stint at Chelsea was a shock to his system.

He doesn’t really seem to be enjoying himself and the team look a reflection of that. We are getting results but there’s lots of tense, nervous, performances.

I was hoping for a bit more flair and excitement by now, against the smaller teams anyway.

I have no issue with pragmatic tactics if they get results, however.
 
el3mel said:
Our results against the top 6 this season looks similar to those from previous one, except for the win against Arsenal we got exactly the same results against Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and City. However, our results against the midtable clubs have improved massively, even when we got a 1-0 win we don't lose the lead and drew as last season. We lost only 5 points against teams outside top 6.

So with this rate we look like a proper 85 points side, which should be more than enough to finish second. Problem we're facing is City is a proper 95 points team though.
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I'd say the problem is we're fudging our way to results against the smaller teams on too frequent a basis. Questionable if that can carry on.
 
Dobbs said:
I'd say the problem is we're fudging our way to results against the smaller teams on too frequent a basis. Questionable if that can carry on.
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We struggle offensively without Pogba, but at the same time our defense and GK are too strong for midtable teams to get past them, which compensate for our problems offensively without Pogba.
 
Cliche Guevara said:
I do feel José is more uptight now he’s the United manager. I’m not saying the job is too big for him, but maybe his last stint at Chelsea was a shock to his system.

He doesn’t really seem to be enjoying himself and the team look a reflection of that. We are getting results but there’s lots of tense, nervous, performances.

I was hoping for a bit more flair and excitement by now, against the smaller teams anyway.

I have no issue with pragmatic tactics if they get results, however.
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Why do you think he's not enjoying. It doesnt look like it. Sometimes he's nervous but on the other hand he's a lot more relaxed than before in general.
Some performances are nervous but I wouldn't say it's a norm.
 
I do wonder what Jose will do in the summer about us relying so much on Pogba. Surely he must have one or two people in mind right now.
 
Sylar said:
I do wonder what Jose will do in the summer about us relying so much on Pogba. Surely he must have one or two people in mind right now.
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Wonder if we'll recall Pereira and if we do will he want to come.
 
Sylar said:
I do wonder what Jose will do in the summer about us relying so much on Pogba. Surely he must have one or two people in mind right now.
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I definitely see going for Ozil in the summer. He will definitely add creativity to our side, whether Pogba will be in the team or not.
 
I’ll obviously take the 3 points today or any other day for that matter) but some developmental progress has got to start being evident, for me. The league is done and I’m quite indifferent about the secondary domestic trophies this time around - would feel like hollow victories, if anything.

I’m far more interested in seeing the likes of Martial, Rashford, Lukaku and Lindelof improve (getting Bailly back on the pitch too!!) and give a good account of ourselves in Europe.

Will be interesting to see if there’ll be any movements in Jan. Our lack of a midfield makes me feel like I must be a bit of a masochist watching a United game sometimes. We all want to see scintillating attacking football but for all the promising talent - they’re left starving because of the lack of creativity behind them. Simply should not rely on Pogba to the degree that we do.
 
@bosnian_red
One of the biggest things apart from the ones you listed is that he left behind a decent squad that fits a formation; It can't be underestimated how important this is to our progression.

To become the best of the best European Clubs capable of winning CL trophies year after year needs become a master of a given formation. Barcelona didn't stumble across the 433; they ended up perfecting it after countless practice & experience with it. Likewise Madrid with their formation or Bayern with the 451.

We won't be anywhere near that level until we perfect our formation & I am 100% sure its the 352. LVG left behind a very raw but balanced number of players all purposefully fit for the 352. People laugh at me, say I'm deluded or say it was a easy job - all it takes is a simple look at our current squad & tell me how nearly every player in our squad fits the 352 down to a tee - taking in factor's like there strengths & positions as well as their weaknesses? Every player fits the 352. Compare this to a 433 & the 4321 - half the squad becomes incapable & a shadow of their actual ability. Even players in our reserves suit the 352 compared to other formations.

United will one day become the masters of the 352 & that when we will be at the top; but they need to practice it to perfect it & not play it whenever it suits the opposition the best. This is a formation that has proven to be able to be defensive, hold possession, hit counter attacks etc; why not perfect it?

I got nothing against Jose- but I don't think he is the type of manager to show dedication to a formation perfecting itself because he simply doesn't have the time or dedication to the club itself. He is a winner & will do what is nessecary for his tenure only. That's why the guy didn't like LVG selling deadwood like nani & hernandez among other players - that he could have utilised; but aren't heard of at all anymore & definitely not part of Uniteds future - but could have won Jose and us an immediate trophy.

LVG is a great manager who knows how to get things up and running & how to remodel a club when things need changing- unfairly constantly compared to managers who deliver the end product. Guy has only ever been recruited to that; after club ruts. For some people they genuinely believe that LVG caused the decay whilst many fans can see the Club wasn't in a good state in even when SAF was winning trophies in the last years - we wouldn't have won without his experience; never mind Moyes after.

(the absolute nonsense I hear about the 352, how it was used in the 1960's & has nothing to do with LVG & how its because Chelsea won the title using the 343 that United use 352 - just so much dross that can easily be seen just by analysing the squad from Lingard to Rashford to blind to Roj0 to Valencia etc)

@Kapardin
 
I don’t have a problem with the style of football that Mourinho plays, and I believe that he has restored United’s fortunes already with more to come.

But I never wanted Mourinho at United for the same reasons that Sir Bobby Charlton didn’t want him. He has no class when things don’t go his way.

He has lost his mind by entering the City locker room and complaining about their celebrations. He is crazy if he thinks Herrera deserved a penalty. I don’t see any mind games here, I see a manager who has lost the plot.

Honestly, it reminds me of Rafa Benitez’s rant about FAHCHTSS. More worringly it also reminds me of Mourinho losing the plot over Eva Carneiro. At a certain point the Chelsea players realized that Mourinho had lost the plot, and it affected his ability to lead and motivate the team.

I like the Mourinho who has a clear mind, who organizes with tactical precision, and who can make strong decisions in the transfer market. I like the Mourinho who gives brilliant answers to stupid questions in press conferences.

I don’t like the Mourinho who has lost his mind, who has been outplayed tactically, but whose response is to lie and pick fights and to behave childishly. That Mourinho is self-destructive and an embarrassment to the club and its fans.
 
bosnian_red said:
Football has changed a lot from 2004 when Porto won it and he has not been building towards the same type of side as that Inter Milan in 2010. That Inter side was brilliant defensively all around but also had very good all around players all over the pitch. And it was also a one off them winning the Champions League, not a side that could sustainably be one of the favourites for it every year.
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TBH, football hasn't changed that much. We the fans have been the ones who have changed the most! Our expectations, our abilty these days to see everything online, the culture of instant gratification, our impatience, etc. etc...
 


It's about "the tactical fouling" comments according to Ducker. Ducker also says it's unlikely Jose will be charged by the FA.
 
Bolloxks. Completely double standards against Jose, even more so since he's been here.

I've said before, Jose has been pretty good considering some of the shite he's put up with since he's been here. The sending off v Saints and lack of apology is still bolloxks. The things Pep, Klopp and Conte have gotten away with while Jose has been charged for less are absolutely ridiculous as well.
 
hn4manunited said:
TBH, football hasn't changed that much. We the fans have been the ones who have changed the most! Our expectations, our abilty these days to see everything online, the culture of instant gratification, our impatience, etc. etc...
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Very good observation!

I think the only thing that has changed is player fitness and strength levels. Nowadays virtually every player is muscular and ripped and has increased stamina and endurance levels. That makes skill much harder to demonstrate, and so the game is a lot more tactical and formulaic.
 
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It's about "the tactical fouling" comments according to Ducker. Ducker also says it's unlikely Jose will be charged by the FA.
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Considering he didn’t mention the referee, just pointed out City’s cynical game plan, I think he will be fine.
 
Bubz27 said:
Bolloxks. Completely double standards against Jose, even more so since he's been here.

I've said before, Jose has been pretty good considering some of the shite he's put up with since he's been here. The sending off v Saints and lack of apology is still bolloxks. The things Pep, Klopp and Conte have gotten away with while Jose has been charged for less are absolutely ridiculous as well.
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I sometimes wonder if Jose could hire attorneys to stamp out the double standards. In a way, this is discrimination.
 
sammsky1 said:
Very good observation!

I think the only thing that has changed is player fitness and strength levels. Nowadays virtually every player is muscular and ripped and has increased stamina and endurance levels. That makes skill much harder to demonstrate, and so the game is a lot more tactical and formulaic.
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Definitely agree on the physical abilities of players. However, with physical fitness some players also lose a certain degree of finesse and technical abilities.

I guess I meant to add that my perspective is in a relative manner. The changes to us fans with the boom of the internet, the younger generations who have grown up with everything needing to be instant right at their finger tips, the games that we have all played that skews some of our perspective on the game, and etc are way more drastic than the other aspects of the game.
 
I would never rule anything out when it comes to Jose and the FA. Probably will make an example of him, only never to enforce the rule again for any other manager. Unless its Jose, again.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Can't see him getting charged but It's quite shocking how much of a hard-on the FA have for Jose.
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Not sure why they feel threatened by his existence and presence in the PL. The other managers can say exactly the same thing and not get a word out of the FA. I'm thinking it's the sheer fact that Jose's words carry a heavier weight and travels further in his fanbase.
 
Wenger explicitly called Sterling a diver and wasn’t charged.
 
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Definitely agree on the physical abilities of players. However, with physical fitness some players also lose a certain degree of finesse and technical abilities.

I guess I meant to add that my perspective is in a relative manner. The changes to us fans with the boom of the internet, the younger generations who have grown up with everything needing to be instant right at their finger tips, the games that we have all played that skews some of our perspective on the game, and etc are way more drastic than the other aspects of the game.
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Yes totally agreed.

Before social media enabled internet, we didn’t have many platform to share, influence or provoke with others. That coupled with Instant gratification has changed the game into an entirely different proposition.
 
Zoo said:
Wenger explicitly called Sterling a diver and wasn’t charged.
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I totally do not understand how nothing has been made out of Wenger's comments post match. He sort of apologized for the Sterling remark afterwards but still, he basically managed to imply there is a conspiracy when his team goes to play City away. A comment that even Mourinho would have been proud of in his last Chelsea season.
 
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SqualorVictoria said:
I totally do not understand how nothing has been made out of Wenger's comments post match. He sort of apologized for the Sterling comment afterwards but still, he basically managed to imply there is a conspiracy when his team goes to play City away. A comment that even Mourinho would have been proud of in his last Chelsea season.
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It's probably because the FA doesn't take any other managers seriously:)
 
hn4manunited said:
I sometimes wonder if Jose could hire attorneys to stamp out the double standards. In a way, this is discrimination.
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I agree with this, and I'm not even a great Jose lover. Serious double standards from the FA. They're completely useless.
 
Long time lurker and first time poster. A die hard united fan at that.

I hear some talk about how fans are growing tired of Jose's style of play. I just wonder what manager who is a realistic target that could honestly make us a better team? Jose is one of the best managers of all time. Who's currently got us 38 points that would have us topping the Table any other year.

The media vendetta against Jose brainwashes some fans into thinking less of him. If the club doesn't renew his contract and let's him walk it will go down as one of the darker days over the last 20 odd years. There is nobody out there on Jose's level.

Even if Pochettino were available, I truly do wonder how he would perform if he had the constant media harrowing him that Mourinho recieves every single day. LVG and Moyes fell victim to it very quickly.
 
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Genuine question, can Jose and the club take any kind of action against these guys? I mean legal action (something like mobbing) like in other jobs when there is unfair treatment?

I don't think it's as serious but the double standards are very obvious and annoying. The FA officials and referees arrogant pricks are acting like some kind of Gods who can do whatever they want without any repercussions against their own mistakes.
 
Kostov said:
Genuine question, can Jose and the club take any kind of action against these guys? I mean legal action (something like mobbing) like in other jobs when there is unfair treatment?

I don't think it's as serious but the double standards are very obvious and annoying. The FA officials and referees arrogant pricks are acting like some kind of Gods who can do whatever they want without any repercussions against their own mistakes.
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Probably not, but it’s not worth the hassle either way. Worst case he gets one match, no biggie.
 
SirAF said:
Probably not, but it’s not worth the hassle either way. Worst case he gets one match, no biggie.
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That's why I said it's not as serious but it's annoying to see such an arrogant behaviour. Wenger and Klopp have constantly questioned referees decisions and nothing. Maybe it's not worth the hassle but somewhere we should draw the line and fight back.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Chelsea went from 6th, 6th, 4th, 2nd to 1st (Mourinho). That's a steady improvement and lets not forget that they had unlimited funds during a time no one could match them financially.

We've gone from 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th to 2nd. We've been up and down, had three managers and are not even the 2nd richest team in the league.
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When Jose took over we were joint 4th though. It was he who took us down to 6th, below the likes of Liverpool who came from behind to overtake us.
 
Stacks said:
When Jose took over we were joint 4th though. It was he who took us down to 6th, below the likes of Liverpool who came from behind to overtake us.
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"Joint 4th" we were 5th in one of the worst EPL seasons ever.
 
The rules are different for Jose. Wenger criticized the referee against City and doesn't get punished. Guardiola can push and scream in Redmond's face and nothing happens. Conte was sent off the other day and didn't get a touchline ban (Jose did get one last season at Swansea). Nothing will probably happen this time but you never know with the FA.
 
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