José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Tired of all the Mourinho bashing. I don't think United are as bad as the media and the media driven sheepish fans believe it. Much as I have enjoyed Mourinho and United losing in the past, I seriously feel sorry for their current state. Truth is it is not as bad as most of the emotional clueless pricks with zero objectivity masquerading themselves as fans believe it to be. LIke I said in all my previous posts, this game came too early for a out of form, late to pre-season united team.

Even still United played very well in the game until the goals. Tactically they were very good and could-should have been 2-1 by half time. They just didn't take their chances in the first half. A typical Mourinho team would have scored 1 and shut up shop waiting to kill the opposition in a counter. But the ineptitude of Lukaku in front of the goals followed by the terrible defense is the main reason why United are in this spot.

The failure of the defense in Smalling and Jones is not Mourinho's fault. These 2 were abject from time immemorial. If you could blame Mourinho it would be for the failed Lindelof /Bailly replacement buy which is a legit mistake (Still think Bailly is out of form and will come good). But then with the amount of money United make, not getting a replacement, especially in the form of the awesome Toby Alder or the Flying Maguire makes absolutely no sense. This decision has nothing to do with backing Mourinho or not. These are money decisions made by the stingy board. Any manager coming in would want the utter tripe championship class CBs in Smalling/Jones/Lindelof out of the club. I don't understand how United fans justify not buying CBs over the summer whatever the price may be or whoever the manager. It's an area United needs to strengthen no matter what.

People blaming Mourinho for creating lack of confidence in the players etc., must be joking. Players such as Lukaku (who Mourinho has never criticized) and the sulking world cup winner Pogba are some of the main reasons United lost today. Lukaku missed number of open chances while Kane took them. Pogba is dilly-dallying on the ball for hours till any tom dick and harry nicks the ball from his feet. Together these 2 players cost United 170 million. Are they really worth so much money? Pogba was a statement signing to bolster a flagging united reputation. He was never the finished article worth 100 mill. The 70 mill on Lukaku was purely because of the Chelsea competition and the general dearth of world class target man (aka Lewandowski mold). You could see Chelsea pay similar amount on another overrated player in Morata. If you ignore their inflated prices to realistic numbers you could see United under Mourinho have hardly spent the kind of investment on the much needed world class players to make it a world class team.

Also number of people in the forum continue to think United plays like Stoke. I have had similar posts from "cluless fans" (the likes of amolbhatia50K, Borden) stating the manager plays like stoke. Its as stupid as saying City is playing like Southampton or Swansea. Just because both City and Swansea play the ball on the ground doesn't mean they are the same. Similarly, just because United and Stoke play the the ball to the target man doesn't mean they are the same. I have had this tactical discussion in my other posts. You may not like Mourinho's boring style but its not his style or tactics why United is doing bad right now.

A poor pre-season where many key united players sat out due to injury and late world cup return are responsible for the slow start and the incoherent attack. But I genuinely feel the Board's lack of investment on new CBs over the summer is the chief reason for the terrible start of United in the PL. How United fans cannot see this is beyond me. A Mourinho team might lose without attacking. But shipping 3 goals in two games, that is never a Mourinho team. Thats plain bad CB's. For fans to support Ed Woodward not buying CBs in the window sighting Mourinho's failures in getting poor CB replacement is ridiculous. United makes a billion dollars in commercial revenue, money spent by billion fans around the world. This is as much as sugar daddy Sheikhs provide City from their pockets. Both team can easily afford to buy top class players and replace them if they turned out to be duds. But only United continues to pocket this money without finding CB replacements in the summer. And all the fans hating United's boring style, are blinded to the daylight robbery from the Glazers.

[Also please stop quoting me with non-football abusive comments like newbie, liverpool fan, condescending etc. I am not going to bother. I will continue to respectfully speak my mind. Also I cannot help it if this post makes you feel intellectually intimidated, so don't waste your time with uncalled personal abuse. I enjoy football replies and discussions - Thank You]
 
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It frustrates me that he cant defend when you attack. I was so happy with our attacking play in both halves but guess what , so laughable in defence.

Why is it so hard to organize a defence while decent in attacking ? Of all the people he should know how to organize a defence. 7 goals conceded in 3 games and that's relegation stats.

No wonder why we are in bottom half. Reminds me of that chelsea season where he was sacked. They were atrocious at the back in the beginning.
It’s a personnel problem. It is true that he bought two center halves and it should have improved but with our current set of defenders it seems not possible to go 90 minutes without a complete blunder or two. We almost gave them a goal twice in the first half too.

I wonder where we would be if we bought his targets this Summer. I think he wanted a center half (probably Toby), a winger (Perisic or Willian) and a back up forward for sure (Arnautovic) maybe another full back too. These are exactly the players we are clearly missing at the moment. He did that at Chelsea between his first and second season during second spell and bought Fabregas and Costa to address two of the biggest issues - they walked the league while playing good football.
 
Look like he's starting to accept his 3rd season curse is real.
Whatever the reason is ( obviously not black magic), I don't think he knows the answer nor a way to fix it

As a supporter I have no idea how we go from here. One day it seems like it's the manager's fault, the next day players let us down, on and on.
Sacking Mourinho right now would not be the solution.
 
I wonder where we would be if we bought his targets this Summer. I think he wanted a center half (probably Toby), a winger (Perisic or Willian) and a back up forward for sure (Arnautovic) maybe another full back too. These are exactly the players we are clearly missing at the moment. He did that at Chelsea between his first and second season during second spell and bought Fabregas and Costa to address two of the biggest issues - they walked the league while playing good football.

Even with those players we still may not able to beat City to the title but we would be closer.

Here's the real reason for Mourinho frustration, l think he has realized that for the first time in his career he's at a club were winning trophies/titles isn't the club's first priority. The Glazers would be well happy with Wenger type situation Utd, pay the manager tons of money to keep the team in the top four. As long as the club is making money they are happy.

Mourinho is just not built that way.
 
Alderweireld would have made our defence better but prioritising the likes of willian over potential RW's available like mahrez, Malcom whilst preferring back up strikers like arnautovic instead of trying to get the best of our Rashford & Martial in those roles is where he struggles.


We would be better - but no where close to winning the league; the league is a different kettle of fish right here right now & Jose is the within the lowest bracket of 'the best PL managers in the league'.

He keeps getting fired in his third season due to his weird preferences for certain types of players - Coentra0 vs Marcelo, higuain vs Benzema, Shevchenko, Fellaini, Martial, pgpba - he has an unflexible approach to what type of player he manages & ultimately it is too strict, too naive, too close minded to ever last.

There is too many better footballers than Willian for 70 mil - but Jose doesn't think that & that's shown in his football because he just does not want learn things in football - merely wants to just replicate the system & players he finds successful.


Not going to happen at United mate - now head off tomorrow morning so I can celebrate :D
 
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.

Without being privy to any inside knowledge, I'd guess that Woodward regrets giving him that contract now. Perhaps Zidane's availability has changed the game or the drop-off in our performances last season has drained the board's confidence.

He'll be due a massive payout thanks to that contract so they'll just make him squirm until he walks away. That's why they didn't sell Martial or buy the players he wanted, then threw him under the bus in the media.

I don't think they'll sack him either. Well, not yet anyway. We've seen the usual method before of sacking a manager once they can't achieve a top four finish. However, that may not happen with Jose due to how incredibly toxic he can be. That and if we end up near the relegation zone like what happened at Chelsea.

He's the new Wenger. Outdated tactics, constantly banging on about other clubs ethics and things that aren't relevant to what's happening on the pitch.

Yep. Unfortunately, like Wenger, the game has passed him by.
 
Was he this positive towards the end of his spell at Madrid and Chelsea? He just turned all positive and soft I actually can't predict what is happening with him.

Well, except for the end of the press conference :lol:
You mean your approach tonight? He has random big games every now and again were he ditches his usual blueprint and plays more aggressive, he did it against us at Old Trafford season before last and he did it vs Arsenal (15/16 2-0 Zouma and Hazard), City (Ivanovic winner) and Brendans Liverpool (2-1 Hazard and Eto'o) while with us, you could add the second half vs City last season aswell. Tbf to him before tonight it always seemed to work when he did it :lol:
 
You mean your approach tonight? He has random big games every now and again were he ditches his usual blueprint and plays more aggressive, he did it against us at Old Trafford season before last and he did it vs Arsenal (15/16 2-0 Zouma and Hazard), City (Ivanovic winner) and Brendans Liverpool (2-1 Hazard and Eto'o) while with us, you could add the second half vs City last season aswell. Tbf to him before tonight it always seemed to work when he did it :lol:
I think @Steven7290 meant his demeanor rather than his tactical approach. Like, he still seems to be upbeat with us despite going through a tough time.
 
The misses and mistakes that you all talk about come from lack of confidence in the players.where do you Think their lack of confidence comes from?
Agreed.

The manager has also lost confidence in his abilities it seems, but doesn't know how to change things. If the leader has lost his confidence, it will filter down to the players.
 
I still haven’t given up on him. There’s still a raging fight in him and the players are obviously still fighting for him. Had Lukaku scored today we would have been over the moon with our team and the way we played the first half. I’m still hopeful
 
I still haven’t given up on him. There’s still a raging fight in him and the players are obviously still fighting for him. Had Lukaku scored today we would have been over the moon with our team and the way we played the first half. I’m still hopeful

Absolutely. Gary Neville summed up really well in the MNF. Today was not a performance of a team dreading their manager. They lacked a bit of composure but were giving absolutely 100% till the final whistle unlike the Brighton game. Players really wanted to prove a point but ultimately when you don't take your chances and press sho much in the first half, there is no coming back after giving in a goal in such a fashion against a well drilled spurs team.

There is a clear change in the way we want to play football. We have to wait and see if this persists or we go back to same old. If we play like this against our next 5 opponents, we should be comfortably winning them all.
 
I feel bad for the guy, but I gotta give huge props to the fans who stayed until the end and clapped the performance of the team. I think it really meant a lot to Mourinho and hopefully it will keep him focused on trying to have performances like the first half with better end results.
 
I dont know what people want him to do about these mistakes. The way he set up the team is fine. He also defended them in public beforehand.
 
Making excuses and feeling sorry for a guy who pushed a player straight back in, week/weeks ago easiest prediction ever made, that went well at the end, classic JM move. Making that kind of decision for a defense protector position.
 
Mourinho had an operatic rise and his operatic fall from the stage has now begun. Dovetails unfortunately well with the Utd saga post mythic success under Ferguson.
 
You mean your approach tonight? He has random big games every now and again were he ditches his usual blueprint and plays more aggressive, he did it against us at Old Trafford season before last and he did it vs Arsenal (15/16 2-0 Zouma and Hazard), City (Ivanovic winner) and Brendans Liverpool (2-1 Hazard and Eto'o) while with us, you could add the second half vs City last season aswell. Tbf to him before tonight it always seemed to work when he did it :lol:

I think @Steven7290 meant his demeanor rather than his tactical approach. Like, he still seems to be upbeat with us despite going through a tough time.

Exactly as Yagami said.
 
Absolutely unbelievable how Jose still has a job. Woodward has a lot to answer for if Jose still has a job come next week. He's been finished for ages.
 
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.

Without being privy to any inside knowledge, I'd guess that Woodward regrets giving him that contract now. Perhaps Zidane's availability has changed the game or the drop-off in our performances last season has drained the board's confidence.

He'll be due a massive payout thanks to that contract so they'll just make him squirm until he walks away. That's why they didn't sell Martial or buy the players he wanted, then threw him under the bus in the media.

Pretty much agree with your post although we're both speculating. At the moment I do see what some think they see, i.e. Jose is trying a different approach to his game, so I'm torn between wanting the board to be ruthless and thinking he should be given some time to get it right. Guess the next few games will show his intentions.
 
Was there some stats how JM team position doesnt change from position after 12 games? That thing even correct?
 
Manchester United is enough hurt right now and it is not the time to sack a manager who gives a feck about us .

Mou is here to fight for us and him and this takes time - he needs support , not that much financial , but fans' support .
 
Had enough now. Use to defend Mourinho to the death but seeing his post match comments is just so disrespectful. He asks for respect but he doesn’t help himself does he? It’s all about himself and past glory’s. Does he give a feck about United? Not one bit.
 
Credit to him for having us play some quick, direct game in the first half with high pressing game, it was really nice and refreshing. He could have picked personnel a bit better but intent is important.

But why was Herrera in the back 3? Why did he bring on Fellaini with 30+ minutes to go? Those are baffling things.

Him icing out his both CB signings after a poor game will only further prove to the board he isn't to be trusted with his signings.

I honestly hope he will stick with quick football, high pressing game and tell people to play a bit more of them short risky passes in the next few games, instead of reverting to his comfort zone and play hoofball.
 
We lost vs Sevilla and he went about how he beat us twice or knocked us out, whatever it was. Last night he went about how many PL titles he won, feck all to do with United and was asked them to respect him. I mean, they can shit all over us as long they dont crap on him.
 
Just seen the interview this morning. Thought it was nice of Jose to make his press conference a tribute to Aretha Franklin. Good on him.
 
The fault of the bad start unquestionably lies with management.

But when discussing management you can't ignore the relationship with Woodward since he has taken on a lot of duties of managing the team including who not to sell and who not to sign. He is inexperienced in this area and will realise in the end that mourinho either gets his way or it falls apart, there is no way to win.

Looking more likely that Woodward won't change for fear of looking stupid, mourinho will be sacked once results warrant and then Woodward will put in place a new structure to take himself out of the firing line in future.
 
We lost vs Sevilla and he went about how he beat us twice or knocked us out, whatever it was. Last night he went about how many PL titles he won, feck all to do with United and was asked them to respect him. I mean, they can shit all over us as long they dont crap on him.

Yeah I've just seen it as well. Journo asking him what 3:0 result stands for ,he responding for the number of league titles he's won. :wenger:
 


Not much to disagree with IMO.
 
This game could be like the barce game where Madrid got beaten 5 0. The press and other arm chair geniuses had been at him to play with a press, he did so and they got stuffed and he reverted to his very successful style. We will see how if he persists - he seemed happy with the performance.
 
It was a stupid question, what did the «journalist» expect?

How about some rational answer the likes of "I already gave you all the answers", or snarky one "yes, that was tonight's results" but he had to go and preserve his brand Mourinho, presenting himself as a winner, tho the team he's currently managing has lost, at home, badly…
 
How about some rational answer the likes of "I already gave you all the answers", or snarky one "yes, that was tonight's results" but he had to go and preserve his brand Mourinho, presenting himself as a winner, tho the team he's currently managing has lost, at home, badly…

Which he has every right to.
 
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