It looks a bit like it did under LVG. Every manager hits a point where their ideas are outdated and sadly, that could be it here. Last night looked "scattergun" - trying different things just to see if something sticks.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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It looks a bit like it did under LVG. Every manager hits a point where their ideas are outdated and sadly, that could be it here. Last night looked "scattergun" - trying different things just to see if something sticks.
What impressed me was that the players tried hard last night. They didn't look like playing to fire the manager. I guess that the change in tactics was due to the players insisting to play attacking football. Jose agreed and they tried to show what theu can. But finishing was bad and the intensity dropped after the first 30 min. And that was that.
Hopefully we don't drop this, and play or try to play on front foot in all games. Will take bit of time but once we get used to it, we can win lot of games attacking the teams.
Perhaps also due to the influence of the new first team head coach? Minor quibble but am somewhat surprised that fans here have tended to credit Jose, Carrick or the players for signs of a changed approach, when our new head coach emphasised attacking football at U18 level and got his U18 team to score about 3 goals a game.
Apart from Pogba who clearly doesn't like Jose, our players are not cnuts like the Chelsea lot. Likes of Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Valencia, Herrera, Rashford, Lukaku and Lingard are good boys despite their deficiencies and will remain professional even if they don't like the manager. That some of them do not have the required quality is another matter altogether.
It's been a bizarre summer for Mourinho all-round. Nevermind not being backed, then undermined in the signings department with both parties making their arguments in the public eye and players wanting to leave still being there. He went through all pre-season as if having one was a personal vendetta against him - and unsurprisingly the team looks void of identity and ideas - Both in regards to playing style but equally so in regards to selection. At no point during the summer, has he exuded any belief that he is building on the progress made in the previous season - it's all been about the difficulties he's endured. It's no wonder really that the team looks the way they are - what are they playing for and in what way? You're way past the "still fashioning the playing identity" stage. And pre-season has clearly not been used to build an attacking identity either.
It's hard to see the current situation as anything other than requiring abortion - By now, it must be clear you are basically playing the way Mourinho wants you to play, just not at the required standards. Mourinho doesn't believe in the quality of his squad to compete and makes no secret of it. Woodward doesn't believe in Mourinho's player policy and is openly and actively working against it on both departures and acquisitions. Key players want to leave. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
The odd part is that it much of it was avoidable. Back mourinho over the summer and most of this doesn't happen. I mean you'd still be playing shit football, but the club would have sent the message that the manager holds the power, Mourinho would have his belief in his own project, the dressing room would have a project to get behind with dissidents sold or silenced and some belief in it all from new signings being made. I don't honestly think it would be much better than last season, but two seasons of 80 points and a cup final given your past four years wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Certainly better than your current prospects. Woodward should have sacked him over the summer if he wasn't going to help mourinho realise his project.
It's hard to see the current situation as anything other than requiring abortion - By now, it must be clear you are basically playing the way Mourinho wants you to play, just not at the required standards. Mourinho doesn't believe in the quality of his squad to compete and makes no secret of it. Woodward doesn't believe in Mourinho's player policy and is openly and actively working against it on both departures and acquisitions. Key players want to leave. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
The odd part is that it much of it was avoidable. Back mourinho over the summer and most of this doesn't happen. I mean you'd still be playing shit football, but the club would have sent the message that the manager holds the power, Mourinho would have his belief in his own project, the dressing room would have a project to get behind with dissidents sold or silenced and some belief in it all from new signings being made. I don't honestly think it would be much better than last season, but two seasons of 80 points and a cup final given your past four years wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Certainly better than your current prospects. Woodward should have sacked him over the summer if he wasn't going to help mourinho realise his project.
I have always been against Mourinhos appointment and I do want him out but I have to say that last nights capitulation was down to player error. Ok, his decision to try a midfielder at right back and bring Jones into the fray way too early were just two of his cock ups, I have to say that our biggest downfall was down to the lack of firepower. How does an £85m striker miss an open net? More shots off target than enough, and Rashford just sits on the bench!!! Sanchez made a difference but too little too late. Mourinho has to go.
Let me explain more thoroughly then. I'd only take Klopp, Pep or Pochetino over him so they are all excluded from the start. I do agree he is toxic to some degree but he has obviously improved us and at this point, staying behind him and the team is the only logical solution. I think you lot are not really acknowledging the fact that things have changed since Sir Alex has left. We are no longer the force we used to be. I prefer to stick to a proven manager, respected world wide, than to throw the club into turmoil again. Put who in charge?
Unlike "people of the internet" and "the press", some of the match going fans chose to leave quietly last night, and some chose to stay behind him. And i loved his reaction to applaud them. Is he childish? Toxic to some degree? Probably yes but he is human after all and he has won titles and cups everywhere he went. He is nervous, i like that, and like us, he is not satisfied. Yeah, i don't like his handling of the media, i don't like he is playing Fellaini every time we are desperate, i don't like him publicly criticizing some of his players.
And take a look at our squad ffs. We paid 100 million for Pogba who is only playing sometimes while Dembele is doing it for 2 years now at top level and they got him for next to nothing. Romelu is good but he's no Ronaldo or Messi. World Class Sanchez has been world class only on paper, because he didn't help Arsenal getting anywhere in this time there. Our fullbacks are ex old wingers for how long now? Lindelof was killing it in Portugal and now he is assisting Delle. Harry Kane, while marked by Jones, didn't even need to jump to head their first. We weren't satisfied last year and we bought Fred, for 40 million, while a good midfielder is double that sum nowadays, and an obscure defender for Porto who has yet to feature. Martial, Lingard, Mata are inconsistent for how long now? I could go on...
To paraphrase the big man...."Youse are all idiots?"
Please, your beginning to sound like Jose himself.
There's no "special treatment" going on here just more of the gutter press hunger that exists when they smell blood. And smell it they do.
For whatever reason Mourinho is under pressure, United have not made a start to the season that they wish and largely due to Mourinho's moaning about a lack of transfer activity and the players the club has been painted as one in turmoil.
They wont let up until the next game where United have a chance to ease some of that pressure or deepen the hole.
Just imagine for one minute if he'd kept his mouth shut over the Summer. What difference would there be? Players would probably be more on board, far less would be made of the lack of transfer activity, the club would appear more united, and maybe, just maybe your results would be different. But the truth is that Mourinho (with Woodwards help) has kicked up a huge sh** storm that they haven't been able to control.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry yesterday when Mourinho was talking about the fans and how they still back him because a thousand or so clapped him at the Stretford End yesterday even though where I was sat people were actually queuing up to get out. Is this the same guy who has digged at the fans whilst he's been here. Last year vs Spurs the shussing. The 'I hope the noisy fans turn up today'. Oh and the business with the fans telling McTominay to do the wrong thing.
However, now because things are going t*ts up. The fans are now the fountain of knowledge because they clapped him.
However, now because things are going t*ts up. The fans are now the fountain of knowledge because they clapped him.
Jose being a hypocritical cnut should not surprise anyone by now. The amount of contradictions he makes in the stuff he spouts is ridiculous.
Comfortably beat that same Spurs team, while restricting them to very little for the last 80 mins of the game in an FA Cup SF just a few months ago. Pretty similar line ups, our defense that day was Valencia, Jones, Smalling and Young, they were excellent. So why in a few months has this seeming massive chasm opened in Spurs favour?
Mourinho happily destabilizing the club and his own players all Summer in his usual petulant manner.
I said similar things, but the performance was there yesterday, just not the result. He maybe hanging on by a thread, but I feel if he gets the team playing as they did against Spurs, particularly as key players regain full fitness, then I can see us winning many games. I agree the Burnley one is key, but if we play like we did in the first half against them, we could win easily. Revert back negatively, & we may win but won't help him in the long run, as every defeat played like that will be heavily criticised.
I posted the same in Post match thread but here it is for anyone who doesn't believe we were pushing spurs up. If he could evolve his style, we could have some interesting games this season.
Forget about it, u obviously don't get my point.
José FC now taking over from Martial FC just cause he clapped the Stretford End at full time.
These are the same morons that stood singing every single one of us, will stand by David Moyes" when David Moyes was no longer standing beside David Moyes.
The "top red"-ness of it all is cringeworthy.
José is a huge part of the problem, he has to go. We look like we don't even practice throw-ins in training. Basic stuff.
Woodward is going nowhere cause he's the Glazers golden goose.
Get a director of football in, get toxic José as far away as possible.
These are the same morons that stood singing every single one of us, will stand by David Moyes" when David Moyes was no longer standing beside David Moyes.
The "top red"-ness of it all is cringeworthy.
José is a huge part of the problem, he has to go. We look like we don't even practice throw-ins in training. Basic stuff.
Woodward is going nowhere cause he's the Glazers golden goose.
Get a director of football in, get toxic José as far away as possible.
These 'morons' spend thousands following the club home and away. If they want to support the manager and the team through rough times then they have every right to. And stop with this top red nonsense. It's fecking childish.
Yeah, all Utd fans who stand by the manager must be morons because you don't share their view. Classy.
You're a moron if that's what you believe.
I don't know how anyone can like our style of play that Jose has brought. I understand that it has proven itself in the past and won him trophies. Not the old United style of play...
What old United style? How many matches under SAF has been dire and dismal? Plenty but he kept winning and if Jose kept winning people will accept it. Now we are playing dire football and losing and that is why people do not accept it.
Just a matter of time.
Next stage of his meltdown usually occurs when he has open warfare with some of his players. Happened at both Madrid and Chelsea. His obsession with self preservation usually is the cause.
I really think we should do what we did with Moyes and LVG and start speaking with a successor already.
Next stage of his meltdown usually occurs when he has open warfare with some of his players. Happened at both Madrid and Chelsea. His obsession with self preservation usually is the cause.
I really think we should do what we did with Moyes and LVG and start speaking with a successor already.
What are this rumors that Jose didn't show up for training this morning? Any truth in it?
Bullshit, like 99% of them.
Most probably. Sunday can't come soon enough.
Probably posted that from his couch.
SAF did not have anywhere near the same amount of boring dire games as we have witnessed over the last 5 or so years. What Sir Alex did was push the players to attack and, win or lose, get the fans behind you. The fans of Man Utd love battles, no other manager has induced this gladiatorial mentality at OT and that is what we miss.
I'm home (and away as much as possible). Stretford End season ticket holder.
The 'top red' thing is completely childish, I agree. Like I wais, it's cringeworthy.
So he didn't stand clapping with a scarf? I literally saw it. Seeing is believing.
Love hearing stories like this!
I love this side of Mourinho, putting all the pressure on himself and not the team.
A bit like SAF. Brilliant that he sat in the disabled section watching the U23s tonight!
A bit like SAF. Brilliant that he sat in the disabled section watching the U23s tonight!
You havent been paying attention
he's already thrown his players under the bus. He's actually trying to back the players and turn his attention on the media now.I don't remember many Jose sides playing like we have under him. His defences generally give nothing away, whilst his attackers generally do the business at the other end. I can't see him being overly happy with the football we've produced in all honesty.
Right. Our counter attacks are quite toothless.
A top post, any which way you look at it. Well done mate.
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