Ryan7
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Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.
Can not say line up and tactics and system was to blame today. Pogba was played in a 3, the full backs were projecting well. We were shambles in both boxes.
Of course the line up was a problem. He started Matic, who looks way off the pace, and played Herrera in defense. His only tactic to going behind is bringing Fellaini to lump it to.
One of my main issues with him is that every time something goes wrong, he tears the team down and starts from scratch. How can you expect any of the players to have confidence if they're playing so nervously that they think any mistake could get them dropped for weeks at a time?! He's got to show them some faith and allow them to built a rapport with each other. Bailly had a bad game against Brighton, of course, but can you imagine Fergie completely dropping him out of the side for that? Absolutely not, he'd be right back in the starting XI the next week after an arm around the shoulder. It's not even changing players, he changes the shape of the team from week to week. Herrera at centerback? feck off, trying shite like that when you're already in crisis is grasping at straws.
We played well for half an hour but we still didn't create much (the only clear chance was them passing it to us when they weren't even being pressed) and it was more of a reaction to last week with energy and effort rather than anything that looked massively coherent. What it did suggest was that he hasn't lost the dressing room or at least that the players still have pride in their performances which we didn't see the week before. The team blew themselves out within half an hour and after that they took over, we could have been behind by half time if the penalty had been awarded or if Alli had made better decisions a couple of times and by the second half it was just chaotic. As I say, there's encouragement from the attitude and effort the players gave that most of them are still with him but I still didn't think the set-up or the quality on show at any stage was that close to what Tottenham produced once they started playing.But we played v well first half? Tactically we were great I thought, even with players out of position and fitness.
Jose is to blame for games where we set up too defensively, like Brighton, but today I think most of the fault is with the players. Should have gone into the second half ahead and then controlled the game, we ended up chasing and exposing our weak defense to pace because our goal threat is so simple to handle if you have a decent back 4. Always ending badly.
He changed it today and we played magnificently - however Jose played Lingard & Herrera instead of a proper ST and a CB - ultimately allowing Spurs to capitalise on the chances.
You need to have some understanding of group dynamics. Just because Varane and Alderweireld aren't the primary directors in their defence doesn't mean they are incapable of being that; it's just the "too many cooks" avoidance role they play. Ramos and Vertonghen were the established bosses at their clubs before Varane and Alderweireld even arrived. They are however experienced, driven, top tier centre backs - if they turned up and found their colleagues needing some extra direction do you not think they would immediately adapt and assume that leadership role? Given the respect their quality demands they would probably just need to whisper and the rest of the defence would fall into line.Sorry but that is complete rubbish as one neither are that vocal. If you go to OT also you can hear Smallings squeaky voice shouting at the back 4, midfield and so on with instructions. He’s constantly directing and at this level the lot of our CB’s should know the role, Bailly is just hyper aggressive and gets carried away. There is no proof that with anyone else he would be less inclined to journey miles out of position to miss what he was going for and leaving us exposed. Jonesand Rojo tend to have the same issue, all fight no brain. But here in is where Smalling does a good job with Bailly as he realises that Bailly is prone to rash decision making and he’ll often cover him a lot, it’s really basic but it’s what good CB’s do. Varane is organised by Ramos and Alderweireld by Vertonghen. Neither are what you would hope they would be in that sense of a leader, both are just really good CB’s. Kompany, Ramos,Godin, Vidic,Rio,Terry are leaders of men.
What you’re talking about isn’t really available out there at the moment so for me Jose wasn’t looking for an experienced CB, he was looking for another option as he probably doesn’t think one of his 2 purchases is up to task or he leant has time to coach them. I’ve said this many a time on here having watched Lindelof at Benfica he is so much better than what we have seen here, there is something to work with there but does Jose have the time and does he have the patience.
But we played v well first half? Tactically we were great I thought, even with players out of position and fitness.
Jose is to blame for games where we set up too defensively, like Brighton, but today I think most of the fault is with the players. Should have gone into the second half ahead and then controlled the game, we ended up chasing and exposing our weak defense to pace because our goal threat is so simple to handle if you have a decent back 4. Always ending badly.
We played well for half an hour but we still didn't create much (the only clear chance was them passing it to us when they weren't even being pressed) and it was more of a reaction to last week with energy and effort rather than anything that looked massively coherent. What it did suggest was that he hasn't lost the dressing room or at least that the players still have pride in their performances which we didn't see the week before. The team blew themselves out within half an hour and after that they took over, we could have been behind by half time if the penalty had been awarded or if Alli had made better decisions a couple of times and by the second half it was just chaotic. As I say, there's encouragement from the attitude and effort the players gave that most of them are still with him but I still didn't think the set-up or the quality on show at any stage was that close to what Tottenham produced once they started playing.
Probably opening an entire can of worms here, but the similarities are striking, down to his supporters who will insist he's doing his job perfectly in the face of abysmal results.
I'm curious whether his greatest weaknesses root back to him not actually being a professional footballer himself, I'm surprised that aspect of his career isn't talked about more.
That’s a bit far mate.The Trump comparisons have been clear for quite a while, the paranoia and talk of fake news, the self promotion, the thin skin, the obsession with putting up a wall (Mourinho's in front of his own goal), the nasty misogynistic streak, the loyalty of his base etc.
That’s what you get with narcissistics, similarities are there for all to see.The Trump comparisons have been clear for quite a while, the paranoia and talk of fake news, the self promotion, the thin skin, the obsession with putting up a wall (Mourinho's in front of his own goal), the nasty misogynistic streak, the loyalty of his base etc.
Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.
It was a deal with a Russian that got him into power in this country in the first place. Actually, you might be right about me taking it too far.That’s a bit far mate.
To be fair, Trump hasn't done anything in his life to have such a following. Jose was the top managerial dog for a decade. He deserved his cult but he seems finished now.I said it long time ago, having discussion with JM cultists is the same as trying to have discussion with Trump supporters.
Gold thisIt was a deal with a Russian that got him into power in this country in the first place. Actually, you might be right about me taking it too far.
Don't think those players were particularly our problem area today, we needed to create overloads in the middle and up front and they did that well and moved well, it was Lukaku and Pogba and Matic Jones who were off their standard.
It frustrates me that he cant defend when you attack. I was so happy with our attacking play in both halves but guess what , so laughable in defence.
Why is it so hard to organize a defence while decent in attacking ? Of all the people he should know how to organize a defence. 7 goals conceded in 3 games and that's relegation stats.
No wonder why we are in bottom half. Reminds me of that chelsea season where he was sacked. They were atrocious at the back in the beginning.
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.
He has thrown a lot of his players under the bus when it suited him..He was let down badly by some players tonight. I feel sorry for him but it is what it is, and it would leave a bad taste if it all ended like this.
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.
Without being privy to any inside knowledge, I'd guess that Woodward regrets giving him that contract now. Perhaps Zidane's availability has changed the game or the drop-off in our performances last season has drained the board's confidence.
He'll be due a massive payout thanks to that contract so they'll just make him squirm until he walks away. That's why they didn't sell Martial or buy the players he wanted, then threw him under the bus in the media.