José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. :lol: Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.
 
Can not say line up and tactics and system was to blame today. Pogba was played in a 3, the full backs were projecting well. We were shambles in both boxes.

Of course the line up was a problem. He started Matic, who looks way off the pace, and played Herrera in defense. His only tactic to going behind is bringing Fellaini to lump it to.
 
One of my main issues with him is that every time something goes wrong, he tears the team down and starts from scratch. How can you expect any of the players to have confidence if they're playing so nervously that they think any mistake could get them dropped for weeks at a time?! He's got to show them some faith and allow them to built a rapport with each other. Bailly had a bad game against Brighton, of course, but can you imagine Fergie completely dropping him out of the side for that? Absolutely not, he'd be right back in the starting XI the next week after an arm around the shoulder. It's not even changing players, he changes the shape of the team from week to week. Herrera at centerback? feck off, trying shite like that when you're already in crisis is grasping at straws.
 
His continuous need to remind people of his past glories is reminiscent of Liverpool.

No one cares about your league title haul right now, you should be looking to add to your legacy as opposed to ruining it.
 
Of course the line up was a problem. He started Matic, who looks way off the pace, and played Herrera in defense. His only tactic to going behind is bringing Fellaini to lump it to.

But we played v well first half? Tactically we were great I thought, even with players out of position and fitness.

Jose is to blame for games where we set up too defensively, like Brighton, but today I think most of the fault is with the players. Should have gone into the second half ahead and then controlled the game, we ended up chasing and exposing our weak defense to pace because our goal threat is so simple to handle if you have a decent back 4. Always ending badly.
 
One of my main issues with him is that every time something goes wrong, he tears the team down and starts from scratch. How can you expect any of the players to have confidence if they're playing so nervously that they think any mistake could get them dropped for weeks at a time?! He's got to show them some faith and allow them to built a rapport with each other. Bailly had a bad game against Brighton, of course, but can you imagine Fergie completely dropping him out of the side for that? Absolutely not, he'd be right back in the starting XI the next week after an arm around the shoulder. It's not even changing players, he changes the shape of the team from week to week. Herrera at centerback? feck off, trying shite like that when you're already in crisis is grasping at straws.

Spot on. Just have some continuity to the football, even if results are not coming, keep playing on the front foot, cause playing defensive football is making no difference either. I thought that we played decent stuff, and would have been interesting to see the approach to the next game, if not for the meltdown which is not a good sign.
 
But we played v well first half? Tactically we were great I thought, even with players out of position and fitness.

Jose is to blame for games where we set up too defensively, like Brighton, but today I think most of the fault is with the players. Should have gone into the second half ahead and then controlled the game, we ended up chasing and exposing our weak defense to pace because our goal threat is so simple to handle if you have a decent back 4. Always ending badly.
We played well for half an hour but we still didn't create much (the only clear chance was them passing it to us when they weren't even being pressed) and it was more of a reaction to last week with energy and effort rather than anything that looked massively coherent. What it did suggest was that he hasn't lost the dressing room or at least that the players still have pride in their performances which we didn't see the week before. The team blew themselves out within half an hour and after that they took over, we could have been behind by half time if the penalty had been awarded or if Alli had made better decisions a couple of times and by the second half it was just chaotic. As I say, there's encouragement from the attitude and effort the players gave that most of them are still with him but I still didn't think the set-up or the quality on show at any stage was that close to what Tottenham produced once they started playing.
 
He changed it today and we played magnificently - however Jose played Lingard & Herrera instead of a proper ST and a CB - ultimately allowing Spurs to capitalise on the chances.

Don't think those players were particularly our problem area today, we needed to create overloads in the middle and up front and they did that well and moved well, it was Lukaku and Pogba and Matic Jones who were off their standard.
 
Sorry but that is complete rubbish as one neither are that vocal. If you go to OT also you can hear Smallings squeaky voice shouting at the back 4, midfield and so on with instructions. He’s constantly directing and at this level the lot of our CB’s should know the role, Bailly is just hyper aggressive and gets carried away. There is no proof that with anyone else he would be less inclined to journey miles out of position to miss what he was going for and leaving us exposed. Jonesand Rojo tend to have the same issue, all fight no brain. But here in is where Smalling does a good job with Bailly as he realises that Bailly is prone to rash decision making and he’ll often cover him a lot, it’s really basic but it’s what good CB’s do. Varane is organised by Ramos and Alderweireld by Vertonghen. Neither are what you would hope they would be in that sense of a leader, both are just really good CB’s. Kompany, Ramos,Godin, Vidic,Rio,Terry are leaders of men.

What you’re talking about isn’t really available out there at the moment so for me Jose wasn’t looking for an experienced CB, he was looking for another option as he probably doesn’t think one of his 2 purchases is up to task or he leant has time to coach them. I’ve said this many a time on here having watched Lindelof at Benfica he is so much better than what we have seen here, there is something to work with there but does Jose have the time and does he have the patience.
You need to have some understanding of group dynamics. Just because Varane and Alderweireld aren't the primary directors in their defence doesn't mean they are incapable of being that; it's just the "too many cooks" avoidance role they play. Ramos and Vertonghen were the established bosses at their clubs before Varane and Alderweireld even arrived. They are however experienced, driven, top tier centre backs - if they turned up and found their colleagues needing some extra direction do you not think they would immediately adapt and assume that leadership role? Given the respect their quality demands they would probably just need to whisper and the rest of the defence would fall into line.

I don't think anyone who watched the game tonight could call Alderweireld a shrinking violet, nor Chris Smalling good enough if he was the reincarnation of Napolean.
 
But we played v well first half? Tactically we were great I thought, even with players out of position and fitness.

Jose is to blame for games where we set up too defensively, like Brighton, but today I think most of the fault is with the players. Should have gone into the second half ahead and then controlled the game, we ended up chasing and exposing our weak defense to pace because our goal threat is so simple to handle if you have a decent back 4. Always ending badly.

We were decent in the first half, but maybe could have been better. Matic was pointless, Herrera was also wasted as he added nothing but creating confusion in the back. Spurs had chances in the first half as well, which they did not take. The first two goals also came because of the organization mess at the back, with a player not fully fit and another playing in a odd position.
 
We played well for half an hour but we still didn't create much (the only clear chance was them passing it to us when they weren't even being pressed) and it was more of a reaction to last week with energy and effort rather than anything that looked massively coherent. What it did suggest was that he hasn't lost the dressing room or at least that the players still have pride in their performances which we didn't see the week before. The team blew themselves out within half an hour and after that they took over, we could have been behind by half time if the penalty had been awarded or if Alli had made better decisions a couple of times and by the second half it was just chaotic. As I say, there's encouragement from the attitude and effort the players gave that most of them are still with him but I still didn't think the set-up or the quality on show at any stage was that close to what Tottenham produced once they started playing.

I don't think we ran out of steam, I think they just worked us out. Matic clearly wasn't fit and Herrera isn't a CB but we did just fine 1st half. First goal was just a top finisher doing what he does, something we don't have.

From then on, we're wide open and they have the players to break with pace on us. Moura had a good game but we made him look amazing because he had so much space and Matic/Herrera/Fellaini/Lindeloff simply don't have the pace to cover him (whereas Dembele shut down our runners numerous times)
 









Probably opening an entire can of worms here, but the similarities are striking, down to his supporters who will insist he's doing his job perfectly in the face of abysmal results.
 
I'm curious whether his greatest weaknesses root back to him not actually being a professional footballer himself, I'm surprised that aspect of his career isn't talked about more.
 









Probably opening an entire can of worms here, but the similarities are striking, down to his supporters who will insist he's doing his job perfectly in the face of abysmal results.

He’s not wrong to be fair. Well they’re not more intelligent or anything but they do reject any outside view on United.

Loads of posters on here back him continually against any negativity in the press - even when it’s blatantly the truth.
 
I'm curious whether his greatest weaknesses root back to him not actually being a professional footballer himself, I'm surprised that aspect of his career isn't talked about more.

He played professionally
 
The Trump comparisons have been clear for quite a while, the paranoia and talk of fake news, the self promotion, the thin skin, the obsession with putting up a wall (Mourinho's in front of his own goal), the nasty misogynistic streak, the loyalty of his base etc.
 
The Trump comparisons have been clear for quite a while, the paranoia and talk of fake news, the self promotion, the thin skin, the obsession with putting up a wall (Mourinho's in front of his own goal), the nasty misogynistic streak, the loyalty of his base etc.
That’s a bit far mate.
 
The Trump comparisons have been clear for quite a while, the paranoia and talk of fake news, the self promotion, the thin skin, the obsession with putting up a wall (Mourinho's in front of his own goal), the nasty misogynistic streak, the loyalty of his base etc.
That’s what you get with narcissistics, similarities are there for all to see.
 
I said it long time ago, having discussion with JM cultists is the same as trying to have discussion with Trump supporters.
 
TBF, I think when Jose was talking about newspapers and tv, hes talking about fans not being gullible to believe everything that they read in which the media put out.

(well this place is questionable)
 
It frustrates me that he cant defend when you attack. I was so happy with our attacking play in both halves but guess what , so laughable in defence.

Why is it so hard to organize a defence while decent in attacking ? Of all the people he should know how to organize a defence. 7 goals conceded in 3 games and that's relegation stats.

No wonder why we are in bottom half. Reminds me of that chelsea season where he was sacked. They were atrocious at the back in the beginning.
 
He was let down badly by some players tonight. I feel sorry for him but it is what it is, and it would leave a bad taste if it all ended like this.
 
Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. :lol: Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.

He's the new Wenger. Outdated tactics, constantly banging on about other clubs ethics and things that aren't relevant to what's happening on the pitch.
 
I said it long time ago, having discussion with JM cultists is the same as trying to have discussion with Trump supporters.
To be fair, Trump hasn't done anything in his life to have such a following. Jose was the top managerial dog for a decade. He deserved his cult but he seems finished now.
 
Don't think those players were particularly our problem area today, we needed to create overloads in the middle and up front and they did that well and moved well, it was Lukaku and Pogba and Matic Jones who were off their standard.

what? herrera played them all on side for the second goal. this is blinkered.
 
It frustrates me that he cant defend when you attack. I was so happy with our attacking play in both halves but guess what , so laughable in defence.

Why is it so hard to organize a defence while decent in attacking ? Of all the people he should know how to organize a defence. 7 goals conceded in 3 games and that's relegation stats.

No wonder why we are in bottom half. Reminds me of that chelsea season where he was sacked. They were atrocious at the back in the beginning.

it is worrysome but that chelsea team downed tools. I don't see that today. The goals were all individual mistakes and lukaku miss really really hurt us. I think that took a big wind out of us.
Those mistakes are unaccountable for to be honest, but you have to clear out the cruft who keep making them. The next manager will have same problem with likes of Jones and Lindelof and whoever else too.
 
Unlike the Orangutan, at least Mourinho is qualified for the job and hasn't obstructed justice in any manner in which we're aware of...

Shitehole journalists comparing Mourinho to Trump ought to be given a taste of what they serve up from time to time.
 
Going on about having won Premier League titles in the past. Embarrassing. :lol: Wish the board would get their finger out and sack him.
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.

Without being privy to any inside knowledge, I'd guess that Woodward regrets giving him that contract now. Perhaps Zidane's availability has changed the game or the drop-off in our performances last season has drained the board's confidence.

He'll be due a massive payout thanks to that contract so they'll just make him squirm until he walks away. That's why they didn't sell Martial or buy the players he wanted, then threw him under the bus in the media.
 
I'll give him his due, we started the game in an attacking manner. First time in some time that we've looked exciting going forward - I think it's maybe the Carrick influence but that it's a change in style and we're getting caught out as we transit between styles perhaps?
Player error was rife tonight (don't get me started on that waste of space sanchez) but style of play was improved. Fact. Calm down and you'll see it.
 
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Just made myself feel even worse by realising the embarrassing scoreline will probably mean we revert to the 'methodical' approach next game.
 
Thought he actually got the tactics spot on and he was more active and encouraging on the touchline. Unfortunately destroying your players' psyche takes much less than building it back up, but that's something any schmuck managing 12 year olds should know.
 
They're not going to sack him i don't think. They're trying to make it as uncomfortable as possible so he walks.

Without being privy to any inside knowledge, I'd guess that Woodward regrets giving him that contract now. Perhaps Zidane's availability has changed the game or the drop-off in our performances last season has drained the board's confidence.

He'll be due a massive payout thanks to that contract so they'll just make him squirm until he walks away. That's why they didn't sell Martial or buy the players he wanted, then threw him under the bus in the media.

He won't walk though. I think he'll keep playing like he did today, exciting attacking play damaged by no RW, limited forwards and suspect defenders (and a tempermental midfield). The young team will learn long term -- what Woodward said he wanted! -- and Mourinho will show that he's working with the players he has available.

Of course, we'll drop out of the top 4, but long term that's the club's plan.

Probably trying to make the manager of your $1B club so mad that he quits is a bad idea. Who knew?
 
Mourinho spent the entire summer telling everyman and his dog how bad things were creating a culture of negativity before the season even began. Now he's reaping the whirlwind of that.

If anybody is playing Mourinho-meltdown bingo. When he starts boasting about past success it's getting pretty bad.
 
Was he this positive towards the end of his spell at Madrid and Chelsea? He just turned all positive and soft I actually can't predict what is happening with him.

Well, except for the end of the press conference :lol:
 
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