Petty from you as ever.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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Petty from you as ever.
7 goals in 3 games. Relegation level defense. Our defenders may be bad, but are they as bad as to be racking up stats like these? Always compared our defense to the level of Stones/Otamendi, Lovren/VvD, Luiz/Rudiger who aren't world class either, but ours are just doing far worse.
And not like the attack is great either.
And not like the attack is great either.
Now, now, there is no need to get upset.
Nowhere near the same situations.
It was Jose's 1st season at Real. And they hadn't lost a game before that. They were flying!
Every single manager is devoted to winning
Personally I think he knows his job is on the line and he is very close to the exit but I have to say I think he earned a lot of credit yesterday despite the loss. The team went out and played, effort, desire, pressing, fast football, everything you’d want, they gave it a go and lost to currently a better team which is more settled in how they play.
The crowd that stayed I felt clapped him off for having a go, they applauded the attempt to play, hopefully that strikes a chord with him, I just wonder if it’s too little too late. He certainly kinda looks to be trying to toe the company line and not bring as much negativity with him.
The crowd that stayed I felt clapped him off for having a go, they applauded the attempt to play, hopefully that strikes a chord with him, I just wonder if it’s too little too late. He certainly kinda looks to be trying to toe the company line and not bring as much negativity with him.
Cmon dude if you keep it up I seriously wont be able not to feel guilty for contributing to your overall uhm…state of mind.
Honestly I'm already feeling a tad of guilt…
Cmon dude if you keep it up I seriously wont be able not to feel guilty for contributing to your overall uhm…state of mind.
Honestly I'm already feeling a tad of guilt…
Your contribution to my state of mind is the same as your overall contribution to this forum: zero.
Because our defenders are shite, literally. Their ability of lack of was hidden when we parked the bus.
Goal 1 - Jones cannot lose that header to Kane
Goal 2 - too much space provided to their winger. Jones too slow to get out to the ball.
Goal 3 - Smalling was laughable 1v1 and went to ground.
Let's be honest, if he were managing any of rivals right now, the laughter on here would be totally unanimous.
I’ve obviously gotten under your skin mate. Just leave it.
I agree with your point I think in general, I think overall our defensive frailties have been a bit over exaggerated. I would say this is the second game in a row where "Our defending was off the scale bad" which is concerning.
Why is an interesting question, Last night we lined up with 5 at the back, Jones on the left side of the 3 centre backs, and while I'm a Jones defender I have to say the left-hand side of the defence has never been a position he looked comfortable with. and Herrera who let's not forget under LVG just over 2 years ago was playing as a number 10 and how is been played as a centre back? so really its not hard to see why we struggled last night.
You can raise similar questions about last week, Pereira was played as a holding midfielder who regularly dropped into been a 3rd centre back.... PEREIRA! I mean playing him as a holding midfielder is quite a stretch for a guy who most defensive position you would describe as an attacking midfielder.
Honestly, you have to wonder if Mourinho is deliberately playing players out of position to make a point! its just bizarre!
Whatever helps you get through the day buddy.
On a serious note, we are derailing the thread now.
You are being a bit kind on him here. I felt sorry for him too, but the reality is, even in the phase of play when we pressed and harried Spurs, it was like an amateur team just learning the basics of pressing and playing quickly. Which is quite unforgivable considering he is into his 3rd year with us. You can atleast forgive him if he had implemented a Simeonesque system of counter attack without the pressing over the past 2 years, which would be some form of identity, but he has done absolutely nothing in that direction either.
The attack was still pretty amateurish even in the first 45 minutes. He may not be able to stop silly defensive errors, but if he had coached the attack properly by now, they wouldn't be so clueless in the final third.
As for giving him credit for trivial things like running fast, pressing, etc, that's pretty much a damning indictment of how little he has accomplished here. We are paying him the highest wages in the world for a manager to praise him for taking baby steps in football.
Nah we were keeping the thread nice and heated back then, no one likes cold threads.Told you ages ago
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I do agree with what you’ve said but it’s what I meant by too little too late. If he’d tried to implement this from day 1 to me we’d be in a much better shape than we are. I do agree yesterday wasn’t perfect by any means and some of the stuff we did was quite basic and involved players not getting it right ie the pressing. I’m more impressed with the fact that Jose changed from his normal grind and adopted or attempted something more fitting of a United team.
Totally agree with this. We've worked all week on it ? Spurs have played that way since Poch took over. No surprise we lost really. It's the massive weekly changes against teams who play the same every week.
Yeah I'd definitely give him more time. Would be chaos if we got rid now. Plus who would we bring in? Ancelotti till the end of the season?
I'm firmly in the Jose out camp. Have been the day after our CL exit at home last year.
One thing I'm beginning to hate is the way the media treat him. It's gone to the stage where is almost like they're bullying/teasing him to get a reaction. Yes, he shouldn't react the way he does half the time but this joy they get when they provoke him is just wrong.
I streamed the match yesterday with NBC(?), the commentator was saying at the 80th minute he was dying to leave early to make sure he was down in the presser room to watch the meltdown. He mentioned this several times.
Even the news papers are either out for blood our making articles mocking him. It's not even about United anymore, they just love to see Jose struggle. The media's treatment of him has been disgraceful.
One thing I'm beginning to hate is the way the media treat him. It's gone to the stage where is almost like they're bullying/teasing him to get a reaction. Yes, he shouldn't react the way he does half the time but this joy they get when they provoke him is just wrong.
I streamed the match yesterday with NBC(?), the commentator was saying at the 80th minute he was dying to leave early to make sure he was down in the presser room to watch the meltdown. He mentioned this several times.
Even the news papers are either out for blood our making articles mocking him. It's not even about United anymore, they just love to see Jose struggle. The media's treatment of him has been disgraceful.
Yep I watched the same. He said that saying because the last time he (Mourinho) got there 30 min early so we was unable to ask questions, to which co-host responded with, he should also start heading there now.
That's pretty much the case with any high profile manager to be honest. The press see a crack and will try their utmost to widen it and create more havoc and news columns.
Certainly part of the problem here is how Jose has risen to the bait.
I don't understand the negativity towards him. He's one of the best proven coaches in the world. We have clearly progressed under him. The only logical option right now is the get behind the team.
Klopp still hasn't won anything yet they don't pressure him.
Pep looked like he was fit to walk in January of his first year but they didn't keep provoking him.
Wenger had a free pass even when he was the biggest joke of football.
Conte had a nightmare of a second season, everyone knew he'd be sacked but the press weren't overly hateful of him.
Poch hasn't come anywhere near winning a trophy in his stint at Spurs, the media love him though.
Maybe Jose doesn't help himself and has turned the media against him with his actions. But their treatment is very unfair.
Like I said above I'm firmly in the Jose Out camp so I'm not defending his managerial ability. Just find the treatment terrible.
I'm 100% behind both our team and manager.
Last night individual mistakes cost us. However on a collective level everyone showed heart, showed they are united and showed their pride.
We as supporters need to support both our team and manager. Unfortunately that is not the case.
Last night individual mistakes cost us. However on a collective level everyone showed heart, showed they are united and showed their pride.
We as supporters need to support both our team and manager. Unfortunately that is not the case.
Sorry but you must live in a bubble if you think those things you’ve stated are true. Every single one of the, has been slated at one point by the media and press, especially Wenger. A reason it maybe seems extreme at United is you’re a supporter of this club so you take more notice. I’ll add in the fact that Jose pretty much invites them to come and have a crack at him and the club with his actions.
Some paranoid nonsense regarding the media at times. Poch has had a bit of criticism but mainly escapes it because guess why? He has a team overachieving given their financial level. Pep got plenty of stick in his first season with "you can't bring that style over here" regularly brought out. Klopp has mainly escaped but they've improved under him and until this summer didn't splash loads of cash, he'll get some stick if they do nothing this season. Conte was treated badly last season and had to put up with constant snide digs when interviewed from the likes of Shreeves, contrast to last night where Shreeves was totally up Jose's backside. Wenger didn't get it either? Come on, he's been mocked and laughed at for years by the media for their regular capitulations in big games.
People were happy to go along with "It's a Manchester top 2", "Pep v Mourinho for the title" when they both got here, you can't then start crying when questions are asked when we lose games and play like a Roy Hodgson side. He actually gets let off lightly by the media in my opinion, probably because he was charismatic all them years ago at Chelsea and still has friends/people who respect him in the media. If he was doing this at City or Liverpool this place would be full of "why are the media not criticising him?"
People were happy to go along with "It's a Manchester top 2", "Pep v Mourinho for the title" when they both got here, you can't then start crying when questions are asked when we lose games and play like a Roy Hodgson side. He actually gets let off lightly by the media in my opinion, probably because he was charismatic all them years ago at Chelsea and still has friends/people who respect him in the media. If he was doing this at City or Liverpool this place would be full of "why are the media not criticising him?"
Last season papered over the cracks. We were lucky in most big games and some non-big games too. There were some good halfs of football now and then but never a string of great performances.
xG stats had United as the 6th best team last season. Sure, it's a limited tool but it is useful. It indicated that City were far better in 16/17 than their actual position and they walked the league next season. United are likely to compete with Arsenal for 5th, provided that the meltdown is not dramatic.
xG stats had United as the 6th best team last season. Sure, it's a limited tool but it is useful. It indicated that City were far better in 16/17 than their actual position and they walked the league next season. United are likely to compete with Arsenal for 5th, provided that the meltdown is not dramatic.
The lack of potency up front is as much as a concern as is our leaky defence. Difficult to understand why this is in Mourinho's third season. Want him to stay and turn it around though.
Not the same but similarity in that he was under pressure to play a certain way and he did it to show it why it wouldn't work. Relating it to our issue with centre backs.
Felt our points total and position flattered us last season and was expecting a bit of a reality check this season. So far we have been awful, if it wasn’t for the fortunate penalty against Leicester we probably wouldn’t even have 3 points.
Mourinho has tough job to turn this round and get into the top four as he looks like he is pretty much out of ideas already.
Mourinho has tough job to turn this round and get into the top four as he looks like he is pretty much out of ideas already.
We're light at the back, and that his having an impact but for me, it's not the real reason we are where we are.
Last night summed it up: two managers - one getting much more out of the players at his disposal than the other. Spurs are cohesive, have a settled starting XI and all of those players know what they're doing and buy into the system. United on the other hand (apart from in short spells where to be fair the intensity was good) look tumescent, short of ideas in attack and generally disjointed. The players either don't know what they're supposed to be doing, or don't buy into it.
I was pleased when Jose was appointed because he's a winner, but he doesn't seem to recognise that the game has changed and worse, his toxic manner seems to alienate the players who look unhappy an unsure what they're doing. Too much drama, too much time spent picking fights with players, running battles with the press, and talking about what he's achieved in the past and protecting his own "brand".
He's boring. The football is boring. Time to put up and produce something or admit he's out of ideas and face the consequences.
Last night summed it up: two managers - one getting much more out of the players at his disposal than the other. Spurs are cohesive, have a settled starting XI and all of those players know what they're doing and buy into the system. United on the other hand (apart from in short spells where to be fair the intensity was good) look tumescent, short of ideas in attack and generally disjointed. The players either don't know what they're supposed to be doing, or don't buy into it.
I was pleased when Jose was appointed because he's a winner, but he doesn't seem to recognise that the game has changed and worse, his toxic manner seems to alienate the players who look unhappy an unsure what they're doing. Too much drama, too much time spent picking fights with players, running battles with the press, and talking about what he's achieved in the past and protecting his own "brand".
He's boring. The football is boring. Time to put up and produce something or admit he's out of ideas and face the consequences.
If he can't handle the pressure of being at the club he should walk. This is how it is.
It's not the Press' fault that he can't deliver on the pitch. And frankly, he brings this on himself. You can't put yourself on a pedestal and behave the way he does and not have people try to knock you off.
And other managers get plenty of stick as well. The press love to get a bite from a manager under pressure. Wenger has been hammered over the years.
Mourinho is finished and I don't understand how he's managed to amass this many loyalists. You guys are not Chelsea fans right?
You don't understand it? Really?
I get disagreeing with it, but not understanding it is some grade A tunnel vision.
Did you get an early transfer to Mars or something last year?
He’s completely toxic. Asking why Mourinho invites negative comment/feeling is like asking why people want to punch Piers Morgan. It’s tiresome even considering spelling out the obvious.
He’s a complete tosser. And a bit of a toddler too.
Honestly for the life of me I can't understand why do you even bother to explain it to him after his initial comment…
I got laughed at by a few yesterday on this thread for suggesting he could be sacked this week if we lost and the performance wasn't there. Well, well, well.......
He's hanging on by a thread boys and the tide is turning. Most fans (over 60%) now want him out on here. It's a matter of time now. If he isn't shown the door this week he almost certainly will be when Burnley beat us this coming Sunday. I bet they can't believe their luck whose coming to town this weekend.
Get rid of him and start again. It's only going to get worse why we delay the inevitable.
He's hanging on by a thread boys and the tide is turning. Most fans (over 60%) now want him out on here. It's a matter of time now. If he isn't shown the door this week he almost certainly will be when Burnley beat us this coming Sunday. I bet they can't believe their luck whose coming to town this weekend.
Get rid of him and start again. It's only going to get worse why we delay the inevitable.
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