José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

[Djemba-Djemba]

At any other elite club, I think he'd have been sacked by now.

 

[Member 5225]

At any other elite club, I think he'd have been sacked by now.

finished 2nd - good to keep the perspective

 

[shaky]

At any other elite club, I think he'd have been sacked by now.

I thought everyone wants to do things "the Man Utd way" though?

 

[bosnian_red]

finished 2nd - good to keep the perspective

Finished 6th and 2nd in 2 years, 1 Europa league, 1 league cup. Conte for Chelsea won the title by a canter then finished 5th, but won an fa cup. Theres no doubt who did better out of the two, yet Mourinho has his job while Chelsea replaced Conte.

 

[In Rainbows]

I thought everyone wants to do things "the Man Utd way" though?

Technically we would be doing the United way as attacking football is the United way.

 

[Bwuk]

Just don’t see the long term plan or vision.

Does anyone really see us improving this year?

 

[sparx99]

I know much has been made about Mourinho living in a hotel and his family being in London but ever since he has got here there’s been a feeling like he’s not quite got his heart in it the way he did at Chelsea, Inter and Real.

I just wonder if maybe flying back and forth to London to see his family means Jose’s focus isn’t quite what it used to be at his other clubs. I always remember Chelsea’s players saying he would give incrediblly detailed dossiers on each opponent and you knew exactly what they were going to do. Well our players don’t seem to be getting that or if they are they aren’t responding to it.

If you think as well Guardiola took that year off after Barca to recharge and study the game. Mourinho does seem to have been worn out from his time at Madrid and Chelsea the second time round.

 

[Red_toad]

When every single player is bad on the field, it's the manager's fault.

If 1-3 players are nonperforming, then it's down to those players themselves.

Bad for Moyes, bad for Van Gaal and now bad for Jose. Yeah it's a manager thing. Lets sack him and get in another manager they can under perform for another one.

 

[shaky]

Technically we would be doing the United way as attacking football is the United way.

We've already had 3 post-Fergie managers not playing the attacking football that's in demand, what makes you think we'll be onto a winner with number 4?

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

finished 2nd - good to keep the perspective

At an elite club finishing 2nd wouldn't be seen as a success.

The football is awful, we won nothing last season we've started this season badly.

At a Bayern or Chelsea or Barcelona, looking this shambolic into his 3rd season he'd be gone in my opinion.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Bad for Moyes, bad for Van Gaal and now bad for Jose. Yeah it's a manager thing. Lets sack him and get in another manager they can under perform for another one.

Moyes took over the champions and undid all of Fergie's amazing work in less than 1 season. And he had no clue who he wanted in the transfer window.

Van Gaal?

The same person who brought in so many duds? Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Memphis, Darmian, Rojo,etc?

The same person who led the club to a season in which we scored less than 50 goals in a league season.

And Mourinho has brought in many players and can't even get the best out of them either.

Has he improved any player? I think only Lingard has improved under him.

You think people on here would understand the importance of a manager more considering we had SAF for so long.

 

[Rolaholic]

I bet he'd have a good go of winning the league this season if his team had Hazard/Willian/Costa/Fabregas/Matic/Azpi etc

It's amazing the lengths some people will go to discredit his achievements.

Right,he'd get that out of the same dressing room he lost and had fighting relegation midway through their title defense...

 

[The Irish Connection]

One thing that will really get on my nerves is that when he goes he'll more than likely leave us with an unbalanced squad. Which will be the same issue we had when he first arrived, in LVG's first season he said the squad was unbalanced and then did nothing to fix it, fast forward 3 years the issue still hasn't been solved. Jose has been here 3 season and 5 transfers windows and still hasn't fixed it either.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. And I think it points to a mix of poor transfer activity, poor targets and, relative to the transfer market, a restrictive budget.

Moyes' first season was a shambles transfer-wise. Overpaid at the last minute for Fellaini and then overpaid for Mata, who just isn't really a United player, never was, as much as I like him. Oh, but he arrived in a helicopter!
That set us back further.

Then van gaal seemed to get a good few transfers over the line, because the players were average.

We seem to handle transfers poorly, drag them out, over pay, choose poorly etc. Remember the Herrera transfer! Jesus, you'd swear we were signing a galactico. He's average.

And I don't think the budget is there to get exactly who we need.

People talk about our net spend, but with the price of players nowadays, it's actually not huge, and half of the players haven't been good enough. Hopefully the director of Football improves this.

We still need to spend about 200 mil and we needed to do it in the transfer window just gone, but the transfer management has been a shambles. And as you said, was that way under fergie too.

Valencia to replace Ronaldo?!

I really think the board level management has played a big part in where we are, as much as poor managerial decisions.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Finished 6th and 2nd in 2 years, 1 Europa league, 1 league cup. Conte for Chelsea won the title by a canter then finished 5th, but won an fa cup. Theres no doubt who did better out of the two, yet Mourinho has his job while Chelsea replaced Conte.

It's actually depressing when you put it that way.

So many problems at this club now.

SAF truly was the club. His legacy which was already gigantic and unmatched, grows more and more with each passing season of his retirement.

 

[goin4glory]

Right,he'd get that out of the same dressing room he lost and had fighting relegation midway through their title defense...

He got it when he won the title with them.

 

[bosnian_red]

He got it when he won the title with them.

And then fully collapsed and had a worse title defence then moyes after Fergie.

 

[bosnian_red]

We've already had 3 post-Fergie managers not playing the attacking football that's in demand, what makes you think we'll be onto a winner with number 4?

You keep trying til you get it right.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Are there any Mourinho in fans still here? If so I'd like them to give one reason why he should stay. One good reason. What is his vision for the team? The case against him is growing ever stronger.

I genuinely think he wants us to be a powerful counter attacking team like his Madrid team were and Inter to an extent.

If we signed Willian say, he would have made a difference because he's a good counterattacking player, strong and quick, can take the ball on the turn out of defence on the wing, unlike Mata or lingard.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I really think the glazernomics have restricted the managers we chose, as they did fergie.

That being said, since we didn't sign the needed players, I can't be very optimistic about our season.
There aren't really any managers available that I can see doing much better, but if we were able to make top 4 come next summer I would go all out for pochetino: plays good attacking football, has punched above his weight with restricted transfer budget and brings youngsters through.

 

[ash_86]

I'd give time till end of the year to turn things around and if results doesn't turn he should be sacked. No point in coming to conclusion two games in.

 

[shaky]

You keep trying til you get it right.

Why can't we do that with signing CBs too then? It's what elite clubs would do.

 

[Robbie Boy]

finished 2nd - good to keep the perspective

Love that some can cling to this shite. Must have been one of the most uninspiring second place finishes ever.

 

[bosnian_red]

Why can't we do that with signing CBs too then? It's what elite clubs would do.

Think it's a matter of Woodward telling Mourinho to prove he deserves it after spending so much and most of them flopping.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Moyes took over the champions and undid all of Fergie's amazing work in less than 1 season. And he had no clue who he wanted in the transfer window.

Van Gaal?

The same person who brought in so many duds? Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Memphis, Darmian, Rojo,etc?

The same person who led the club to a season in which we scored less than 50 goals in a league season.

And Mourinho has brought in many players and can't even get the best out of them either.

Has he improved any player? I think only Lingard has improved under him.

You think people on here would understand the importance of a manager more considering we had SAF for so long.

They may have turned out as duds but I guarentee half the CAF were happy with those signings at the time.

Depay - best young winger on market having just had a fantastic season at PSV

Scheiderlin - just made Premier League team of the season. I know a lot of the CAF thought he was the answer to strengthening our midfield

Darmian - just made Serie A team of the season two years in a row

Rojo - had just made the World Cup 11 and the final.

Schweinsteiger - World Cup winner, had been a winner his entire career. Alarms bell did ring when Bayern were happy for a national hero to leave on the cheap

My point being we keep signing the right players but rarely does it works out. Now why is this? What is happening behind the scenes that makes these players not perform?

 

[Josep Dowling]

Love that some can cling to this shite. Must have been one of the most uninspiring second place finishes ever.

And why is any United fan happy with second place. Literally no one cares.

 

[shaky]

Think it's a matter of Woodward telling Mourinho to prove he deserves it after spending so much and most of them flopping.

Prove you deserve money to replace the few bad players that you bought by having to play them every week, in the hope that they eventually turn into great players that we don't need to replace? That's some cunning plan from Ed there.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

They may have turned out as duds but I guarentee half the CAF were happy with those signings at the time.

Depay - best young winger on market having just had a fantastic season at PSV

Scheiderlin - just made Premier League team of the season. I know a lot of the CAF thought he was the answer to strengthening our midfield

Darmian - just made Serie A team of the season two years in a row

Rojo - had just made the World Cup 11 and the final.

Schweinsteiger - World Cup winner, had been a winner his entire career. Alarms bell did ring when Bayern were happy for a national hero to leave on the cheap

My point being we keep signing the right players but very rarely it never works out. Now why is this? What is happening behind the scenes that makes these players not perform?

Of course we were happy. We are fans.

But after a few weeks/months/years, you realize just how bad those signings were.

You make it sound like those above players were top class when we bought them and some went out to different top clubs and performed.

Jose's been trying to flog off Darmian/Rojo the entire summer. Memphis is playing well for Lyon. A team more suited to his level. Schneiderlin is a mid-table player. Schweinsteiger's best was way behind him and he's now in the MLS. Blind is back in Ajax.

There's simply no argument against Van Gaal buying in plenty of duds. His transfer record here was horrific. The same manager who okay'd a Di Maria transfer and proceeded to use him in multiple positions on the field. He had no clue how to utilize him.

Heck even Martial may be seen as a 'dud'.

That entire summer of 2015 was a giant disaster.

As for your last comment, it's quite simple. The managers fail to do their jobs. They're not improving the players they brought in and they brought in wrong players.

 

[goin4glory]

And then fully collapsed and had a worse title defence then moyes after Fergie.

Doesn't change the fact he won a title which some posters want to ignore.

 

[goin4glory]

Finished 6th and 2nd in 2 years, 1 Europa league, 1 league cup. Conte for Chelsea won the title by a canter then finished 5th, but won an fa cup. Theres no doubt who did better out of the two, yet Mourinho has his job while Chelsea replaced Conte.

Conte inherited a way better squad.

 

[Raw]

Our away form since the New Year must be fecking horrendous by the way.

PL: 5W, 1D, 4L (16/30 points)
Everton 2-0 W
Burnley 1-0 W
Spurs 0-2 L
Newcastle 0-1 L
Palace 3-2 W
City 3-2 W
Bournemouth 2-0 W
Brighton 0-1 L
West Ham 0-0 D
Brighton 2-3 L

FA Cup: 3W, 1L (2W without neutral grounds)
Yeovil 4-0 W
Huddersfield 2-0 W
Spurs 2-1 W (Neutral)
Chelsea 0-1 L (Neutral)

CL: 1D
Sevilla 0-0 D

Overall: 8 wins, 2 draws and 5 losses. It's not that bad but dropping points to Newcastle, Brighton twice and West Ham is very poor. Not to mention being 2-0 down v Palace, despite winning in the end.

 

[vivaronaldo]

going trophyless was the best thing to happen ....we can only judge jose on results now and that yesterday was a disgrace ......the end is near I think , players simply aren't responding to him anymore

 

[Nuts]

He’s like a once great player whose legs have gone. He’s lost whatever once made him great and, without it, he’s a mediocre manager who can’t inspire or get consistent results.

 

[sp_107]

Jose was media's darling when he arrived in England plus he inherited a very good team from raineri !! So he was winning
Big as the gulf between Chelsea and other teams was huge !! So he was charming ..cocky ..all Worked well for him as he is a kind of person dwell on that kind of treatment !!

But last few years it's been different for him as he is not English media's darling anymore as they got new toys like Pep...Klopp !!!

It must be difficult for Jose to accept this and same time building a team he wants is more than complicated considering the money all clubs have these days !


Being lonely in hotel room might not helping him either I guess !! Somehow we are seeing a lost Jose than a confident Jose !!

At Chelsea he rebuilt the team when he arrived second time but here he is not succeeded here 100% on that front either !!

 

[Isotope]

Think it's a matter of Woodward telling Mourinho to prove he deserves it after spending so much and most of them flopping.

Yeh. That's the standard of how any good company works. You give the new employee some enough support, then see how he fares with it. Then if he's doing good, more support is ensue. There's no such thing as "give him full support, anything he wants", right from the start. Only company on their last breath with no future is doing it. Or oil rich club.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Everyone is to blame if we are honest.

1. Jose is not getting good enough performances from the lads although the results in terms of our points total you could argue is as good as this team can get.
2. The players are also letting themselves down and no matter the instructions they have been given they have not been to standard for the last year.
3. The owners have no excuse for not backing Jose. They gave him a new contract. If they didn't like his direction fire him. The last thing you do is keep him and not give him anywhere close to what he says he needs.

Now we have ended up with a squad that is under performing with a manager who plays unexciting football and owners who for some reason think they have the football intelligence to veto transfers? Such an outcome is asking to fail. Why would things magically get better?

I expect that the best we can hope for is a new manager who will produce similar results while playing better football.

TLDR: Blame is on all parties but the owners are certainly our biggest overall issue. Not for lack of investment but for having the gall to think they know enough about football to veto Jose' transfers and leave him out to dry.

 

[Dumbat12]

Yeh. That's the standard of how any good company works. You give the new employee some enough support, then see how he fares with it. Then if he's doing good, more support is ensue. There's no such thing as "give him full support, anything he wants". Not for any sane and good running business.

First season Jose won 2 cups and got us into top 4. Second season he got us into the FA cup final and we finished second. If we go by your logic, then Woodward should have given him enough this year to challenge for the title. Evidently he has not. So the fault lies in him. Jose is at fault as well, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day - you either support the manager or you don't. And if you don't, then sack him. Simple as.

 

[Isotope]

First season Jose won 2 cups and got us into top 4. Second season he got us into the FA cup final and we finished second. If we go by your logic, then Woodward should have given him enough this year to challenge for the title. Evidently he has not. So the fault lies in him. Jose is at fault as well, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day - you either support the manager or you don't. And if you don't, then sack him. Simple as.

Those progresses may not be good enough for the upper echelon POV. The boards may think Jose still need to do more with the current investment, before pour in more. Or the future plan that Jose gave, wasn't enough to convince the boards; so they play wait and see how it goes first.

Jose obviously has done some progress, like you mentioned, enough for the boards not to sack him; but maybe need more convincing result before they're adding more investment. It happens all the time in business.

 

[el3mel]

Those progresses may not be good enough for the upper echelon POV. The boards may think Jose still need to do more with the current investment, before pour in more. Or the future plan that Jose gave, wasn't enough to convince the boards; so they play wait and see.

Or maye it's the opposite. They thought this progress is enough and no need to pump more money into the team as the squad is good enough for top 4, the ultimate target.

At the end of day, we're by the far the worst big club run in the world imo. Other teams look like they have plan and working on it. We seem to have zero direction and make panic decisions after panic decisions.

All this mess proves that SAF was Manchester United. He was organizing everything at the club and we became useless without his brain.

 

[Bastian]

At an elite club finishing 2nd wouldn't be seen as a success.

The football is awful, we won nothing last season we've started this season badly.

At a Bayern or Chelsea or Barcelona, looking this shambolic into his 3rd season he'd be gone in my opinion.

We are not a Bayern or a Barcelona. We are a declining* club which repeatedly tells everyone who wants to hear it that we're the biggest club in the world. The image we try to project is not matched by our ambitions and certainly not by our club structure and decision making.

*IMV that decline was halted when JM was appointed and last season was clear progression, whatever happens this season.

 

[Isotope]

Or maye it's the opposite. They thought this progress is enough and no need to pump more money into the team as the squad is good enough for top 4, the ultimate target.

At the end of day, we're by the far the worst big club run in the world imo. Other teams look like they have plan and working on it. We seem to have zero direction and make panic decisions after panic decisions.

All this mess proves that SAF was Manchester United. He was organizing everything at the club and we became useless without his brain.

I don't think top 4 is the ultimate target. Why need Jose to do that, though? We were 4th when LvG left, and with FA Cup to show as well.

Agreed with that about SAF. He should be the highest paid manager of all time, if all things considered.

 

[Bastian]

I don't think top 4 is the ultimate target. Why need Jose to do that, though? We were 4th when LvG left, and with FA Cup to show as well.

Other clubs have clearly improved. There is no way LVG would finish with this team in the top 4.