José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Kapardin said:
If anyone thinks Jose needed a new CB to beat Brighton, then this tweet puts things in perspective:



I'd argue that's a worse backline than the one we had yesterday. Not that difficult for Liverpool though, is it?
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It really works both ways. It's not just about Brighton. There is no commanding centre-back at the club. We have talents who will grow in the future but talents are always mistake prone. A good team is a mix of youth and exp. Our exp players are not good enough.
 
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Kapardin said:
If anyone thinks Jose needed a new CB to beat Brighton, then this tweet puts things in perspective:



I'd argue that's a worse backline than the one we had yesterday. Not that difficult for Liverpool though, is it?
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Yet they still finished below us? Or do we have to win every particular game Liverpool win and only then we can prove we’re better?
 
goin4glory said:
He took over a United squad that had finished 7th/4th and 5th because they were awful. He has us in 2nd and last season we beat everyone in the top 6. If you really think another manager would have this group ahead of city you're delusional.



He won the premier league with those players, that's what i'm on about.
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It's a losing battle my friend. People who feel any other manager here could do a better job with this bunch of clowns are in for a rude surprise when it does eventually happen. Not even Pep could do a better job with this squad!
 
MadMike said:
Yet they still finished below us? Or do we have to win every particular game Liverpool win and only then we can prove we’re better?
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This argument doesn't work. First of all, they didn't finish behind us by 20 points. It was a mere 5-6 points. Secondly, that happened only because Klopp was content with 4th and kept resting his players for the CL games. If Liverpool didn't make the final and focused on the league with that thin squad they had, good chance they ended up with more points than us.

I am not saying Klopp is better or more perfect. Merely that our backline is much better than theirs for the same game, so using the lack of a CB signing is really not a good excuse.
 
Every time someone mentions that we finished 2nd last year, they should also be forced to talk about losing the FA Cup final to a team that was in complete disarray. Ip
 
How long will people cling on to that fecking second place?!

Seriously, when was the last time we put on a coherent display of attacking football?
 
Berba's_Flick said:
It's a losing battle my friend. People who feel any other manager here could do a better job with this bunch of clowns are in for a rude surprise when it does eventually happen. Not even Pep could do a better job with this squad!
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Oh my god.

Yes our squad is completely shambolic and Jose is maximizing it entirely.

What a load of crap.
 
Giggs86 said:
If we are managed by people who think that top 4 is the target, they shouldn't be at this club. Anything below finishing 1st is a failure and should be labeled as such. A cup will always soften the blow but finishing trophyless is unacceptable. The response to finishing trophyless this summer should've been ruthless, by doing a huge overhaul of players and management. Instead, we got a pathetic response of one and a half signings, which unfortunately solidifies the fact that the club is run by an incompetent bunch.
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I don't know who's the ring leader at United for signing players. But I'm just disagree United boards are satisfied with being top 4.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Oh my god.

Yes our squad is completely shambolic and Jose is maximizing it entirely.

What a load of crap.
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Who said that the squad is shambolic? We finished second, to better that we probably should either win the league or get closer to first. Are you saying there is another manager out there who can take this squad to the next level?
 
Berba's_Flick said:
Who said that the squad is shambolic? We finished second, to better that we probably should either win the league or get closer to first. Are you saying there is another manager out there who can take this squad to the next level?
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There are plenty of managers out there who'd have us playing better.

Jose isn't maximizing the squad.
 
Patrick08 said:
If not they would have addressed the Right Wing problem way before.
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It's a easy cop out yes we are abysmal on the right side but we aren't exactly excelling in any other area of the pitch either and it mostly comes down to manager I don't think it's too much to ask from a so called elite manager to atleast make us resemble like a team even it's a boring defensive one atleast do it properly.
 
championo said:
I think his era has passed. He is dealing with millennials who are softer than puff cakes. He either changes or he should get out of the business. You can't be real with modern players. They rather put on these ugly headphones and just zone out.
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What? There was plenty of primadonnas before, the difference was that they did not have access to social media like todays generation.

I have backed Jose 100%, but the performances, the comments and the sulking all adds up to a situation that isn't sustainable at all. We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, but this looks a lot like his Chelsea meltdown
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
Oh my god.

Yes our squad is completely shambolic and Jose is maximizing it entirely.

What a load of crap.
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Even if it wasn’t crap (it is), it completely overlooks the point that the manager has spent more than two years building this squad. It is throughly his squad at this point.
 
If Jose is going to get sacked he should do it on his own terms: it seems pointless picking some of these lads who clearly aren’t listening to him. The way Pogba laughed when asked what the manager said at half time and full time. That’s not a player who’s bought in.

They might have less talent but at least you can trust Matic and Herrera to leave everything on the pitch.

Pick an XI who actually want to fight for you Jose. If you’re gonna get fired anyway at least put your fate in the hands of those who’ll go down swinging.
 
Hard not to sympathise with the Manager tbh, he has a prehistoric and average defence therefore can't be trusted hence the cautious approach add to that a board who refuses to back him, what on earth has this club become.
 
Patrick08 said:
It really works both ways. It's not just about Brighton. There is no commanding centre-back at the club. We have talents who will grow in the future but talents are always mistake prone. A good team is a mix of youth and exp. Our exp players are not good enough.
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Our experienced players are just that. Old.
 
I can't stand this type of football anymore, players lack attacking. It has been clear for a while now that something is not correct from the manager to the board. The club is currently at shambles, we need to appoint a proper DoF and a manager to work closely with him so finally we can have a plan and some kind of vision.
 
Lost faith in this man honestly. 3rd seasons in and we don't look competent at all, just disjointed. I understand he wasn't given the players he wanted but at some point he actually has to coach these players. Problem is that even if he goes it won't change a thing so long as Woodward is still running things.
 
Anyone who watched the game and with cold head will admit the 3 goals conceded were stupid and individual mistakes or a combination of two feck ups that should not happen to defenders playing for this club, I can't blame Mourinho for that.

But how is it possible that we can not string an attack in an entire half? How is that possible? 45 minutes and we couldn't create a single chance. Fecking pathetic. That goes way beyond individual performances and the manager should be held responsible for that. Nobody else. No Ed fecking Woodward, no Pogba, no Martial, no Rashford, no Glazers. It was fecking Brighton and we made them look like Atletico Madrid.
 
The bigger worry is the disharmony in the squad, Jose has destroyed any good feeling and confidence the team had to offer. Whilst I understand his frustration with the lack of transfer activity in the market he's had three seasons to sort out that mess of a defence and he's not improved it one bit in my opinion.

Lindelof is shocking, his awareness of danger and reaction to it are Championship levels. Bailly seems to have lost all confidence and has lost the ability to control a football, he's also too rash in the tackle. I hate to say it but bring back Smalling and Jones, at least they don't lack the confidence the other two do.

All in all I seriously consider removing Jose from his position, I fear we could be heading for another Chelsea situation where the top players down tools.
 
What would we do if the performance of the team against Brighton was an attempt to incorporate the views of his assistant coaches? Do we allow him the space or demand success in the transition?
 
Can23 said:
If Mourinho had been fully backed (going off reports about rumoured targets from the press). You'd probably have Persic ,Alderwield and Alex Sandro and Martial would of left. Obviously would be a massive outlay but Mourinho would of made you a solid hardworking counterattacking team.

I think with a manager like Mourinho, you have to either fully back him or get rid, he's not the type of guy to shoe-horn in players bought for him.
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But then again no manager is ever fully backed.

Guardiola wanted VVD - he went to Liverpool, Jorginho - he went to Chelsea, Sanchez - we bought him, Fred - we bought him, Mahrez - got him in a different transfer window. Majority of those he didn't get because they were too expensive or they wanted crazy wages.

Grinning cnut wanted VVD - got him only after he was forced to sell his best player (Coutinho) in order to finance the move, wanted Fekir - didn't get him because the board deemed him to be too expensive.

Pochettino wanted Martial - didn't get him.

Pretty sure there are more examples for all 3 of them but that's all I could think off atm.
 
Marcus said:
What would we do if the performance of the team against Brighton was an attempt to incorporate the views of his assistant coaches? Do we allow him the space or demand success in the transition?
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The approach wasn't new, so I'm not sure how this looked like an attempt to incorporate someone else views. And he is the manager not the assistant of the assistant coaches.
 
Berba's_Flick said:
It's a losing battle my friend. People who feel any other manager here could do a better job with this bunch of clowns are in for a rude surprise when it does eventually happen. Not even Pep could do a better job with this squad!
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Not sure Pep deserves a "not even". Pep only wins once he has a massive unfair advantage, I.e. keep buying till something sticks
 
I genuinely think results belied your performances last year. I've never seen a team play so poorly win so many points.

Against my better judgement, I went to a stats site for this Xg crap and they back it up. De Gea unsurprisingly is absolutely streets ahead of every other Goalkeeper in terms of how many chances he saves that are expected to go in.

You scored 66 and conceded 25. And were expected to score 58 and concede 47. That's an absolutely massive expected goal difference of 30 goals! The nearest outlier is crystal Palace with a 20 goal negative outlier (lol).

For comparison, City was an outlier of 17 as they scored way more than expected (defence pretty much as expected). Tottenham were 5 better off, Liverpool one better off, Chelsea one better off and Arsenal two better off.

Which basically tells us both Manchester teams got significantly better results than their performances suggested. Seems right to me.
 
Another thing that I'm not sure has been picked up yet, but our average positions in that first half were terrible to see.

Pereira was essentially standing as a third CB, the fullbacks barely ahead, Fred very far inside our own half, Mata free-roaming somewhere like he normally does, there was probably no closer than 10m to the next player at most times when Lukaku was receiving the ball.
 
B20 said:
I genuinely think results belied your performances last year. I've never seen a team play so poorly win so many points.
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Can you point out the supposed games where we did not deserve the points?
 
I remember when Jose was announced and there were a few for and against his signing, but the majority were saying that if Jose couldn't do something with us then we're pretty much a lost cause.

Many won't think like that right now because Jose is struggling and they'll blame him, but I haven't forgotten. I still believe it and to see us struggling makes me feel sick because I'm almost at the acceptance stage that we've become the what Liverpool were these last 20 years. It's most likely going to be 6 years since our last league title and it feels like we're still a way off competing.
 
RedTillI'mDead said:
Not sure Pep deserves a "not even". Pep only wins once he has a massive unfair advantage, I.e. keep buying till something sticks
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Pep may spend money, but there is some reason behind his purchases. They fit the system and he then coaches them to get the performances on the pitch. We just buy who is available to us and wants to come here, for whatever reason, if they fit our side or not. We need a manager who plays on the front foot, a DOF who will get the players who fit that sytem. Until then we will stumble from one disaster to another.

Also we just cannot shift players out. We renew contracts when it isn't justified, then when they bomb cannot get rid because their wages are too high. The problems start at the top and run right through the club. It is Moneygrabber United.
 
I really don't understand what is happening. No one expected United to play good football under Jose. I think some have made their peace with that.
But a Jose team this badly setup defensively. Jose getting tactically outsmarted by Chris Hutton. Brighton is the sort of team which Fergie could beat with our reserve team. Jose should be able to atleast compete against Brighton with our first team.
Woodward coming out with the shit of not wanting to spend on mediocre players is just madness. You don't need to air that shit over the news even if it is correct. What possible purpose did it have? What message does it send to the players about Jose's position?
 
Rash Decision said:
It is abundantly clear, and even clearer now that Chelsea has gotten Sarri. Those who insist that it's a player issue and not a coaching issue are never going to be convinced, even though you have Chelsea and Madrid fans saying the same things.

Now you have people saying France won the World Cup playing Mourinho-ball...
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That is actually true. France played expansively in one match and that was the Argentina game. Otherwise they were extremely negative with world class players in attack.
 
B20 said:
God no. That is way beyond my level of interest in this subject.
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I looked through the results, nothing pops out at me at all. Some games like Palace away we rallied late on. Other games we played bad and just dropped points period. We were generally good at home and struggled away. Our away form was not good though. So we picked up points at home and dropped them away (generally).
 
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