José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

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Think Mou's biggest issue is that it's abundantly clear the attacking approach he has in training isn't near what all of your rivals coach. Literally every other club in the top 6 have managers who want to press high, dominate play, use quick, intricate passing, high tempo. Each player knows pretty much exactly where to be and which runs to make.

Whereas you watch United now and when I watched every second of his football when he was here his second spell you can see that most of the attacking play is sort of improvised. It looks like he sets the team up to have a solid base and then expects the advanced midfielders and attackers to make it up as they go along.

It is abundantly clear, and even clearer now that Chelsea has gotten Sarri. Those who insist that it's a player issue and not a coaching issue are never going to be convinced, even though you have Chelsea and Madrid fans saying the same things.

Now you have people saying France won the World Cup playing Mourinho-ball...
 
If Mourinho had been fully backed (going off reports about rumoured targets from the press). You'd probably have Persic ,Alderwield and Alex Sandro and Martial would of left. Obviously would be a massive outlay but Mourinho would of made you a solid hardworking counterattacking team.

I think with a manager like Mourinho, you have to either fully back him or get rid, he's not the type of guy to shoe-horn in players bought for him.
A lot of his signings have been duff though? Why should a board back a manager whose radar is totally off?
 
Maybe it is Mourinho's fault, but I can't say I feel certain that it is. Look, we've been like this for eight or nine years. SAF's last few seasons were also quite rough to watch, remember? We only won that last league title because nobody else really challenged for it. There was widespread agreement that it was due time for him to retire because the football had been depressing for several years.

We've had the exact same complaints about Moyes, LvG and now Mourinho. Boring, negative football, uninspired, uncreative, players chronically underperforming, lack of meaningful strategic approach. Granted, Moyes had no business managing this club, but LvG and Mourinho were both proven top managers. While Mourinho has a reputation for dropping off in his third season, he also has a remarkably consistent record of making clubs soar with success until then. If managers repeatedly fail upon arriving at this club, is it really sensible to simply say that none of them were good enough?

Surely there has to be something wrong at the club that isn't just down to the manager himself. If we sack Mourinho, it must be because he's identified as the cause of all this; but then how likely is it that our last three managers have all caused precisely the same problem for the club? It just seems so improbable that an issue that has persisted over the course of nearly a decade has consistently been the fault of several different managers. It simply doesn't make sense.

And while our squad certainly has room for improvements, noone can possibly claim that the football displayed in the last five seasons matched the caliber of our players. This is a team that has been consistently underperforming for quite a few years. We have a very decent squad. It's not the best in the land, but these problems cannot be said to stem from a lack of quality players. They're largely good players who have been performing at 75% for years.

How many times have we signed a great player only to find that he completely fails to deliver at United? Or a youngster has a stellar debut season, then grinds to a halt. There's such a thing as football culture in a club, and it transcends any individual there, even the manager. A football club is a community, and it's very possible for something to be wrong with that community as a whole.

It reeks of toxic workplace environment. That's the very thing that comes to mind when I look at United. I don't see a series of managers who weren't up to the task (you know, Moyes aside). I don't see a squad that simply hasn't got the sheer quality to win. I see the signs of a toxic workplace environment, and that could stem from any number of things. The club is currently being criticized for failing to offer employees a living wage. That's exactly the kind of thing that could contribute to a negative club atmosphere.

I don't work for MUFC so I can't pretend to be certain what the reason might be, but unless we're to believe that several consecutive managers have all happened to instill in the club the exact same set of flaws, does it really make sense to continue sacking manager after manager in the hopes that this fixes it? Who will we get with better credentials than Mourinho? I don't love the man, but I can't see who else could possibly swoop in and fix all this.
 
His first decade or so as a manager was the greatest I’ve seen a manager have. From Leiria to the Inter treble or to the Madrid 100 points season it was incredible both on and off the pitch. Since then it’s been ok at best.

Honestly, I agree with you, which is what makes this so much worse for me. From the first time I really saw him as the manager of Porto, winning the CL with them, then to becoming the leader of that fearsome Chelsea team that was one of my biggest nightmares in the PL. After that he went to Inter, and then there was the rise of Pep. After they destroyed united in 09 I wondered “how can this team possibly be stopped”. Then came José and inter in 2010, against that Guardiola team, what he did with inter was IMO his greatest achievement, as I rated the “Eto’o Henry Messi” Barcelona more than I did the “Messi Villa Pedro” one.

Then he went to Spain, which was so fitting, the greatest manager in the world managing the biggest club in the world, taking on the challenge of dethroning Barcelona again. Even in his first season it seemed like it couldn’t be done, then came the record breaking season with Madrid. The counters that that team produced that season were a marvel to watch.

There was nothing I wanted more, at that time than for Mourinho to take over from SAF. I was convinced that he was the one to lead the dynasty after the great man, even when things went south in his third season at Madrid, I still wanted him more than anyone.

When he came here initially, even though I had my reservations about him after thinking he lost something during his second stint at Chelsea (I remember the day the 10 man psg knocked them out as the first time I started thinking this), I was still very happy. It was late, but it felt right that he was finally our manager. My initial posts during his first year here were all in vehement defense of him.

It really makes it all the worse for me to now want him out. As you said, he no longer looks like the manager that he used to be, and in my view, has taken us as far as he can. Nothing can ever cheapen his achievements in those early years, and whenever he leaves United and we move on, it will be that Mourinho that I will always remember and admire.

Wow, this reads like a piece of RAWK fan fiction :nervous:
 
Picked the team a lot of us wanted for both games

Was excellent in each press conference so far

Showed more passion on the touchline than any player

Maybe it’s not all his fault

When every single player is bad on the field, it's the manager's fault.

If 1-3 players are nonperforming, then it's down to those players themselves.
 
Into our third season now and we still don't know what our strongest XI is, or at least we haven't seen it yet. Maybe we've been unlucky with injuries but still, we really shouldn't be looking this disjointed after he's had this much time at the club. We have big players but no identity on the field at the moment, that's on the manager in my opinion.
 
We've had the exact same complaints about Moyes, LvG and now Mourinho. Boring, negative football, uninspired, uncreative, players chronically underperforming, lack of meaningful strategic approach. Granted, Moyes had no business managing this club, but LvG and Mourinho were both proven top managers. While Mourinho has a reputation for dropping off in his third season, he also has a remarkably consistent record of making clubs soar with success until then. If managers repeatedly fail upon arriving at this club, is it really sensible to simply say that none of them were good enough?

How many times have we signed a great player only to find that he completely fails to deliver at United? Or a youngster has a stellar debut season, then grinds to a halt. There's such a thing as football culture in a club, and it transcends any individual there, even the manager. A football club is a community, and it's very possible for something to be wrong with that community as a whole.

In might be, but unless we're to believe that several consecutive managers have all happened to instill in the club the exact same set of flaws, does it really make sense to continue sacking manager after manager in the hopes that this fixes it? Who will we get with better credentials than Mourinho? I don't love the man, but I can't see who else could possibly swoop in and fix all this.
It's not about credentials. It's about the manager's style of play. You said it yourself. Boring, negative , uninspired, etc... We've yet to hire a progressive manager.
 
Maybe it is Mourinho's fault, but I can't say I feel certain that it is. Look, we've been like this for eight or nine years. SAF's last few seasons were also quite rough to watch, remember? We only won that last league title because nobody else really challenged for it. There was widespread agreement that it was due time for him to retire because the football had been depressing for several years.

We've had the exact same complaints about Moyes, LvG and now Mourinho. Boring, negative football, uninspired, uncreative, players chronically underperforming, lack of meaningful strategic approach. Granted, Moyes had no business managing this club, but LvG and Mourinho were both proven top managers. While Mourinho has a reputation for dropping off in his third season, he also has a remarkably consistent record of making clubs soar with success until then. If managers repeatedly fail upon arriving at this club, is it really sensible to simply say that none of them were good enough?

Surely there has to be something wrong at the club that isn't just down to the manager himself. If we sack Mourinho, it must be because he's identified as the cause of all this; but then how likely is it that our last three managers have all caused precisely the same problem for the club? It just seems so improbable that an issue that has persisted over the course of nearly a decade has consistently been the fault of several different managers. It simply doesn't make sense.

And while our squad certainly has room for improvements, noone can possibly claim that the football displayed in the last five seasons matched the caliber of our players. This is a team that has been consistently underperforming for quite a few years. We have a very decent squad. It's not the best in the land, but these problems cannot be said to stem from a lack of quality players. They're largely good players who have been performing at 75% for years.

How many times have we signed a great player only to find that he completely fails to deliver at United? Or a youngster has a stellar debut season, then grinds to a halt. There's such a thing as football culture in a club, and it transcends any individual there, even the manager. A football club is a community, and it's very possible for something to be wrong with that community as a whole.

It reeks of toxic workplace environment. That's the very thing that comes to mind when I look at United. I don't see a series of managers who weren't up to the task (you know, Moyes aside). I don't see a squad that simply hasn't got the sheer quality to win. I see the signs of a toxic workplace environment, and that could stem from any number of things. The club is currently being criticized for failing to offer employees a living wage. That's exactly the kind of thing that could contribute to a negative club atmosphere.

I don't work for MUFC so I can't pretend to be certain what the reason might be, but unless we're to believe that several consecutive managers have all happened to instill in the club the exact same set of flaws, does it really make sense to continue sacking manager after manager in the hopes that this fixes it? Who will we get with better credentials than Mourinho? I don't love the man, but I can't see who else could possibly swoop in and fix all this.

Good post, but I disagree with the bolded parts.

Moyes: Completely poor appointment, fish out of water, deer in headlights, etc. Poor coach, poor tactics, poor squad management.

LVG: Was extremely successful in the 90s, but since then has had his ups and downs. Sacked from Barcelona, sacked from Bayern, extremely rigid in his tactics but failed to get players to buy in to them. Outdated footballing philosophy but one that was proactive and attacking in theory.

Jose: World class manager in the not too distant past, but hired on the back of a disaster season at Chelsea and at a time when there was an influx of modern super-coaches into the PL. Risk-averse like LVG. However, unlike LVG, he's reactive and subscribes to an extremely hands-off approach when it comes to coaching an attacking approach, which doesn't appear to be effective anymore when opponents are becoming better and better coached.

In short, I don't think the 3 managers have brought with them the same sets of flaws. Imo the club simply got the managerial appointments wrong 3 times in a row.
 
I get very frustrated when I think of this summer. On the verge of tears even.

I don't understand why he had to shoot himself in both feet even before preseason started. As if his job wasn't already hard enough, now all year long the media vultures will be circling him, ready to report any (fake) news of fights with the CEO, players and possibly fans as well as surgically scrutinise every bad result.

The pressure on him is ridiculous now.
 
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If that happens then that’s normally because of the manager

Nah, I'm not going to blame Jose for the shitshow that was Pogba, Young and Bailly's performance today. I blame him that our football is rubbish and we can't attack or press and only play hoof ball but not individually inept performances. Those players should be held accountable
 
He makes me dislike our football and most of our players almost as much as Moyes and LvG. Well done.
 
Maybe it is Mourinho's fault, but I can't say I feel certain that it is. Look, we've been like this for eight or nine years. SAF's last few seasons were also quite rough to watch, remember? We only won that last league title because nobody else really challenged for it. There was widespread agreement that it was due time for him to retire because the football had been depressing for several years.

We've had the exact same complaints about Moyes, LvG and now Mourinho. Boring, negative football, uninspired, uncreative, players chronically underperforming, lack of meaningful strategic approach. Granted, Moyes had no business managing this club, but LvG and Mourinho were both proven top managers. While Mourinho has a reputation for dropping off in his third season, he also has a remarkably consistent record of making clubs soar with success until then. If managers repeatedly fail upon arriving at this club, is it really sensible to simply say that none of them were good enough?

Surely there has to be something wrong at the club that isn't just down to the manager himself. If we sack Mourinho, it must be because he's identified as the cause of all this; but then how likely is it that our last three managers have all caused precisely the same problem for the club? It just seems so improbable that an issue that has persisted over the course of nearly a decade has consistently been the fault of several different managers. It simply doesn't make sense.

And while our squad certainly has room for improvements, noone can possibly claim that the football displayed in the last five seasons matched the caliber of our players. This is a team that has been consistently underperforming for quite a few years. We have a very decent squad. It's not the best in the land, but these problems cannot be said to stem from a lack of quality players. They're largely good players who have been performing at 75% for years.

How many times have we signed a great player only to find that he completely fails to deliver at United? Or a youngster has a stellar debut season, then grinds to a halt. There's such a thing as football culture in a club, and it transcends any individual there, even the manager. A football club is a community, and it's very possible for something to be wrong with that community as a whole.

It reeks of toxic workplace environment. That's the very thing that comes to mind when I look at United. I don't see a series of managers who weren't up to the task (you know, Moyes aside). I don't see a squad that simply hasn't got the sheer quality to win. I see the signs of a toxic workplace environment, and that could stem from any number of things. The club is currently being criticized for failing to offer employees a living wage. That's exactly the kind of thing that could contribute to a negative club atmosphere.

I don't work for MUFC so I can't pretend to be certain what the reason might be, but unless we're to believe that several consecutive managers have all happened to instill in the club the exact same set of flaws, does it really make sense to continue sacking manager after manager in the hopes that this fixes it? Who will we get with better credentials than Mourinho? I don't love the man, but I can't see who else could possibly swoop in and fix all this.
Good post.

I'm not sure that the players really care about certain members of staff receiving less than the living wage (well apart from Mata) but it's easy to think that the owners' incessant commercialism is diluting the players' focus. If they're being asked to do adverts and sponsor events all the time, it might be draining their attention on the actual football.
 
Nah, I'm not going to blame Jose for the shitshow that was Pogba, Young and Bailly's performance today. I blame him that our football is rubbish and we can't attack or press and only play hoof ball but not individually inept performances. Those players should be held accountable

Yeah but if more than 5 players have absolutely awful games that is down to the manager
 
One thing that will really get on my nerves is that when he goes he'll more than likely leave us with an unbalanced squad. Which will be the same issue we had when he first arrived, in LVG's first season he said the squad was unbalanced and then did nothing to fix it, fast forward 3 years the issue still hasn't been solved. Jose has been here 3 season and 5 transfers windows and still hasn't fixed it either.
 
Are there any Mourinho in fans still here? If so I'd like them to give one reason why he should stay. One good reason. What is his vision for the team? The case against him is growing ever stronger.
 
I'm still not in the camp that can firmly point the finger directly at him. This shit has been going on since Sir Alex's last 3-4 years, it's just he was that much of an influence to ensure his players fought to bring it back after a bad half.

However, I am interested to know what Jose is saying to the players in the week, before games, at half time and after the games. We played the second half like we were 4-0 up. Player after player come out and speak highly of him, Herrera, Shaw, Lukaku and Pereira in the last few weeks alone.

Is the squad divided?
Is he instilling some sort of false confidence in these guys?
Are they so fragile that he isn't telling them how it is?

I think I just about understand us tactically, and whilst they're not groundbreakingly brilliant, do the players understand the approach?

It's one game, and we've made worse starts to the season and gone on to win European cups before...So I'm not going to sit here with a pitchfork ready, but I can't deny concern.
 
I'm still not in the camp that can firmly point the finger directly at him. This shit has been going on since Sir Alex's last 3-4 years, it's just he was that much of an influence to ensure his players fought to bring it back after a bad half.

However, I am interested to know what Jose is saying to the players in the week, before games, at half time and after the games. We played the second half like we were 4-0 up. Player after player come out and speak highly of him, Herrera, Shaw, Lukaku and Pereira in the last few weeks alone.

Is the squad divided?
Is he instilling some sort of false confidence in these guys?
Are they so fragile that he isn't telling them how it is?

I think I just about understand us tactically, and whilst they're not groundbreakingly brilliant, do the players understand the approach?

It's one game, and we've made worse starts to the season and gone on to win European cups before...So I'm not going to sit here with a pitchfork ready, but I can't deny concern.

I think Mourinho was still rubbish today. He made several mistakes like starting Mata and hopeless offensive tactics most of the match, even Lukaku goal was a fluke. His management of the game was overall crap and had no answer as the time passed.

He's not the only cause though as I really, really can't believe any manager will tell players losing 3-1 to wonder around and not be bothered the second half. Mentally something isn't right with this team. All the potential and quality but never show it when it matters. Players feel like they're not up to it. Second best to every ball against any team who presses and wants to defeat us. Super arrogant attitude even though we have been a failure the past few years so not sure when this arrogant attitude came.
 
I have the feeling backroom change doesn't really help him.Not sure what do Carrick & McKenna offer but we ain't doing better than last year.
Clueless in final third, players shit themselves when oppo team presse hard. New season, same shit and we can't even defend now.
 
I have the feeling backroom change doesn't really help him.Not sure what do Carrick & McKenna offer but we ain't doing better than last year.
Clueless in final third, players shit themselves when oppo team presse hard. New season, same shit and we can't even defend now.

Yeah could be a case of his core philosophy being incompatible with his coaches' ideas. Jose achieves defensive solidarity in large part by getting players behind the ball, so if for example McKenna tried to infuse a more attacking approach which would involve committing more players in attack, it might mess up the defensive organisation. Or perhaps Jose was more reliant on Rui Faria than anyone realised.

Too early to judge methinks. Perhaps we're just seeing growing pains right now.
 
"Tactics" compare this to every top team currently, and before you think it, no, nobody came towards the ball, Fellaini just went to the box off screen. Straight up garbage, get this archaic crap out of here.

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I don't think he's entirely at fault for the current situation but with player power these days it's looking more and more like this is going to go only one way. The simple fact is if the players have more days like today where it's blatant as feck that they're not fighting for the manager( How bad was that second half?) you do not have a choice as a club in terms of where you go.
 
"Tactics" compare this to every top team currently, and before you think it, no, nobody came towards the ball, Fellaini just went to the box off screen. Straight up garbage, get this archaic crap out of here.

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It's simply asking to hoof the ball. What a shambles.
 
He’s done. Can’t connect with younger players anymore except for notable exceptions like Lingard. This season will be a waste of time.
 
We have reached a point of no return. When we see the players play like that, its even the manager is doing nothing in training or the players do not trust him anymore and in both cases he should go. I dont think JM has the personality to turn things over anymore, he is a shadow of himself, not the Jose of 2005.
 
Even if Jose got the defender(s) he wanted, we still would have looked toothless in attack.

Attack is the best form of defence, and unfortunately we don't do enough of it, hence why we invite pressure onto ourselves.

No disrespect to Brighton, who I felt were fantastic and deserved the three points, but no point should we be sitting back against them.

We have the superior players on paper and should have looked to take them game to them from the off.

Mourinho tells the players to drop, as he clearly wants to play on the counter, but we don't even do that.
 
We have reached a point of no return. When we see the players play like that, its even the manager is doing nothing in training or the players do not trust him anymore and in both cases he should go. I dont think JM has the personality to turn things over anymore, he is a shadow of himself, not the Jose of 2005.

There's plenty of performances from last season like the one today.
 
Football has moved passed Mourinho and left him behind. His tactics are so shit these days, and we look like a mess in literally every facet of play. We dont excel at anything. We cant keep the ball well, we dont deal well under pressure, we cant break down organized defences, we dont counter attack well, we aren't organized defensively and are pretty much a mess throughout. That's all coaching, and Mourinho has completely failed to coach us adequately and make us a cohesive team who at least look like they know what their doing. It's not even that hes a defensive coach. He doesnt even know how to set up defensively anymore!
 
Are there any Mourinho in fans still here? If so I'd like them to give one reason why he should stay. One good reason. What is his vision for the team? The case against him is growing ever stronger.
Right now... who are you going to replace him with? I doubt Zidane would be too keen to join the club after the season has started and even if he is, it's an incredibly risky appointment either way. There are no Ronaldos and Modrics here.

Depending on how this season ends, he should be sacked or allowed to stay. But if he's allowed to stay, then Woodward MUST back him in the transfer market. If Mourinho wants Perisic, Willian, Toby, whoever - he should just buy them if the club is capable of doing so. Otherwise just sack him and find another manager that you can cooperate with.

Because right now the blame doesn't rest on Mourinho. His pre-season moaning to me is indicative that this has been building up for a while and that Woodward has missed on quite a few targets Mourinho has had.
 
It’s like his management style is out dated. It showed at Chelsea and it’s starting to show here. I thought he would maybe adjust or change his style like sir Alex used to do every 5-6 years.

Hes either to scared to change or too stubborn to change. What’s happening to Jose happens to 99% of managers. Only really really special managers can adjust over a long period of time. Jose has had a great career but his best is well and truly past him.

We should get rid, we should have got rid last year and been ruthless. Instead Woodward gave him a new contract, now when he eventually does leave it will cost us 3 times as much as it should be doing.
 
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